|
Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 16:13:40 GMT -5
I didn't say it's the only time. But a lot of people seem to gloss over the other instances of teams bending, circumventing, or breaking rules, whereas this is the lead story on the national news, not just sports news. The NFL is a HUGE business. The Patiots are as close to a dynasty as the NFL has had since the Cowboys of the'90s. This is not the first time accusations of cheating have been leveled against them. That's why it's bigger news than other teams alledged infractions.
|
|
|
Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 24, 2015 17:05:58 GMT -5
This sounds just like my whiny clients. "Everyone breaks the law. Why am I being picked on?" Because you got caught, Buttercup. Life ain't fair. It's long since time you figured that out. I don't think its that, they broke a rule they get punished simple as that, it's more the media attention that's odd.
|
|
|
Post by Jasoomian on Jan 24, 2015 17:33:39 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Action Ace on Jan 24, 2015 18:24:22 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Jasoomian on Jan 24, 2015 19:31:36 GMT -5
BTW, you are repeating a lie propogated by the crooked liar Goodell here. As soon as he was asked to prove it in court, he shut up and ended all the players' suspensions.
|
|
|
Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 25, 2015 11:23:10 GMT -5
And it seems it's finished, the investigation found that they weren't intentionally deflated and the discrepancies were probably caused by weather and normal use...as many of the scientists interviewed by NPR said.
|
|
|
Post by Jasoomian on Jan 25, 2015 11:38:16 GMT -5
Funny how the Colts' footballs didn't magically deflate. Weather must've been different on their sideline. I'm sure the genius NPR weathermen have it all figured out.
|
|
|
Post by Action Ace on Jan 25, 2015 11:47:32 GMT -5
ESPN now reporting that Bill Bellichik has arranged for a giant blizzard to hit the east coast and Boston tomorrow. Therefore, the Patriots will not arrive in Arizona until Saturday night and won't have to deal with any media questions at the Super Bowl.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 13:37:37 GMT -5
Funny how the Colts' footballs didn't magically deflate. Weather must've been different on their sideline. I'm sure the genius NPR weathermen have it all figured out. Have we seen the actual numbers to what level below the 12.5 PSI the illegal balls were? (If the balls were measuring in at 11.5 to 12.4 they would still be illegal but the results then could easily be attributed to standard usage, if below 11.15 then it is a little harder to swallow that explanation). If the balls lost an average of 1 PSI because of weather usage and the Pats started the balls inflated at 12.5 PSI as they requested, they would be below the legal limit by halftime. If the Colts started at 13.5 PSI and also lost 1 PSI b/c of weather and usage, they would still be measured at 12.5. No one has said the Colts balls hadn't deflated, just that they were still within the legal limit when tested at halftime. If they started at a higher inflation that variations from usage would still leave them within the legal limit. Belichik did say they requested the 12.5 PSI inflation before the game per Brady's preferences, but the officials preparing the balls are under no obligation to honor those types of requests as long as the balls start within the legal limit. I am not sure how accurate or detailed the records are. The balls are checked to see that they start in the legal limit, not sure if they record the actual PSI of each and every ball. Unless they do, and and mark each ball somehow to identify what it stated at and what the result was again when tested a the half to see what the actual level of deflation was and if it was outside the standard deviation of usage, there is no way to be sure that the loss of PSI was the result of tampering unless they had some other sort of evidence of the tampering (witnesses, video footage, confessions, etc. etc.) Without such, it would be nearly impossible to satisfy some sort of burden of proof. But you know in trial by media it's guilty even if proven innocent and things like burden of proof and evidence are irrelevant as long as what you believe because of personal bias must be true regardless of facts, and anyone who says otherwise must be biased and covering things up. The NFL was transparent in their investigation and employed independent investigators, which is about as much due diligence as can be expected in the matter. Some would only be happy if they dredged up the ghosts of the Spanish Inquisition to get the results they wanted rather than the actual facts of the matter, but that's not the way due process works. If there had been evidence of actual tampering, then the Pats should have been fined and lost a mid-round draft pick or taken a reduction of their salary cap for next season, and if the evidence showed a particular individual responsible for it, then that person should also have been fined and/or suspended for 2-4 games. But the CBA requires a certain level of proof for those types of punishments to players, and NFL by-laws require certain standards of proof for those types of sanctions against teams and staff, none of which has been found by the independent investigators or league investigation. But again its trial by media and fanbase, and such matters will never enter into those thought processes and it's all a conspiracy against them and their teams personally. So now it's onto a Superbowl between two of the teams I like least in the NFL (if we want to talk coaching culture of cheating let's look at Pete Carroll's track record at USC and the flagrant disregard for NCAA rules under his administration there and the fact that Seahawks players have been suspended for PED usage more than any other team in the league since he became coach, but no the Seahawks are currently in vogue so we won't, but then I detest Pete Carroll the way many seem to detest Belichik, so I am not exactly objective about his actions), and where I am rooting for both teams to lose if possible and am not likely to even turn the game on because I don't care to watch either team win. -M
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Jan 25, 2015 14:05:19 GMT -5
Belichek is the ultimate bad guy. I don't like to see teams repeat but I'll have to route for the Seahawks.
|
|
|
Post by berkley on Jan 25, 2015 19:23:19 GMT -5
I don't know why the NHL bothers having an all-star game any more.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 19:37:49 GMT -5
NFL selling photos of the crotch grab they fined Marshawn Lynch $20k for is extremely good. What a garbage organization.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 19:51:27 GMT -5
I don't know why the NHL bothers having an all-star game any more. There's rumblings they will try to do a Ryder cup style tournament in lieu of an All-Star Game in the future. I think they should make the All Star Game the Winter Classic or do a second outdoor game for the All Star Game and at least make it an event that is worth checking out. Of course I have lost all interest in the NHL since my beloved Whalers relocated to Carolina...I hung on to watch the Hurricanes win the cup, but I don't think I have watched a game since... -M
|
|
|
Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 25, 2015 20:24:20 GMT -5
Funny how the Colts' footballs didn't magically deflate. Weather must've been different on their sideline. I'm sure the genius NPR weathermen have it all figured out. Have we seen the actual numbers to what level below the 12.5 PSI the illegal balls were? (If the balls were measuring in at 11.5 to 12.4 they would still be illegal but the results then could easily be attributed to standard usage, if below 11.15 then it is a little harder to swallow that explanation). If the balls lost an average of 1 PSI because of weather usage and the Pats started the balls inflated at 12.5 PSI as they requested, they would be below the legal limit by halftime. If the Colts started at 13.5 PSI and also lost 1 PSI b/c of weather and usage, they would still be measured at 12.5. No one has said the Colts balls hadn't deflated, just that they were still within the legal limit when tested at halftime. If they started at a higher inflation that variations from usage would still leave them within the legal limit. Belichik did say they requested the 12.5 PSI inflation before the game per Brady's preferences, but the officials preparing the balls are under no obligation to honor those types of requests as long as the balls start within the legal limit. I am not sure how accurate or detailed the records are. The balls are checked to see that they start in the legal limit, not sure if they record the actual PSI of each and every ball. Unless they do, and and mark each ball somehow to identify what it stated at and what the result was again when tested a the half to see what the actual level of deflation was and if it was outside the standard deviation of usage, there is no way to be sure that the loss of PSI was the result of tampering unless they had some other sort of evidence of the tampering (witnesses, video footage, confessions, etc. etc.) Without such, it would be nearly impossible to satisfy some sort of burden of proof. But you know in trial by media it's guilty even if proven innocent and things like burden of proof and evidence are irrelevant as long as what you believe because of personal bias must be true regardless of facts, and anyone who says otherwise must be biased and covering things up. The NFL was transparent in their investigation and employed independent investigators, which is about as much due diligence as can be expected in the matter. Some would only be happy if they dredged up the ghosts of the Spanish Inquisition to get the results they wanted rather than the actual facts of the matter, but that's not the way due process works. If there had been evidence of actual tampering, then the Pats should have been fined and lost a mid-round draft pick or taken a reduction of their salary cap for next season, and if the evidence showed a particular individual responsible for it, then that person should also have been fined and/or suspended for 2-4 games. But the CBA requires a certain level of proof for those types of punishments to players, and NFL by-laws require certain standards of proof for those types of sanctions against teams and staff, none of which has been found by the independent investigators or league investigation. But again its trial by media and fanbase, and such matters will never enter into those thought processes and it's all a conspiracy against them and their teams personally. So now it's onto a Superbowl between two of the teams I like least in the NFL (if we want to talk coaching culture of cheating let's look at Pete Carroll's track record at USC and the flagrant disregard for NCAA rules under his administration there and the fact that Seahawks players have been suspended for PED usage more than any other team in the league since he became coach, but no the Seahawks are currently in vogue so we won't, but then I detest Pete Carroll the way many seem to detest Belichik, so I am not exactly objective about his actions), and where I am rooting for both teams to lose if possible and am not likely to even turn the game on because I don't care to watch either team win. -M News outlets are now reporting that most of the balls were only about one point off with the one intercepted by the colts strangely being the only one that was 2 points off.
|
|
|
Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 25, 2015 20:25:16 GMT -5
Funny how the Colts' footballs didn't magically deflate. Weather must've been different on their sideline. I'm sure the genius NPR weathermen have it all figured out. I don't think they were pulled for measurement so we really don't know if that's true.
|
|