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Post by Icctrombone on May 2, 2014 19:45:37 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with you Hoosier X. I grew up in the era that started with John Romita taking over for Kirby. I loved all the Buscema storys from the Overmind to the Hulk battle to the Crystal Break up. Love that Era.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 2, 2014 21:19:22 GMT -5
This ain't bad either. Kirby/Sinott FF # 72  |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 2, 2014 21:26:51 GMT -5
Hulk vs. thing . Hulk #350 Jeff Purves/ Terry AustinJeff Purves still remains my favorite gray hulk artist. I wished he had done more. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 23:03:09 GMT -5
From Astonishing Tales #19 -- The Super-Soldier! Just love the look of this guy. Although he talks too much...  |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 23:08:17 GMT -5
From Adventure Into Fear #11: A two-pager of Man-Thing battling an evil demon that was summoned by a couple of teens during a satanic ritual. Only in 1970, folks! I believe this was the second issue Steve Gerber wrote.   |
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 3, 2014 4:07:56 GMT -5
I always thought that Byrne's Marvel Team-Up run with Terry Austin and Chris Claremont featured some of his best art. This issue with Red Sonja in particular blew me away when I first read it. It still till this day holds its own in terms of detail in my opinion.  |
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 3, 2014 4:13:51 GMT -5
Fantastic Four # 175. Big John BuscemaPages like these are why I roll my eyes when fans act like John Byrne's FF was as good as Lee/Kirby's FF (or maybe even better!) and then dismiss everything that happened between FF #102 and #236. I like Byrne's FF, but he made a few bad decisions here and there, and it's not all gold. And Bronze Age Fantastic Four is ... well, FANTASTIC!
Lots of Buscema/Sinnott art, but also Buckler, Perez and Sienkiewicz. (And Ross Andru. And Ramona Fradon did one issue that I love.) Yeah, there are some stories that don't quite work as well as we'd like (I don't like Crystal hooking up with Quicksilver. I don't think it works at all.), but there's several great Doctor Doom stories, the period where Sue is threatening to leave Reed for good, the Sub-Mariner, Medusa, lots of great stories with Thundra and the Frightful Four, that great bit where Ben can turn to the Thing and back and he goes all nutty and has to fight the Hulk, that great Hulk/Thing team-up in FF #166 and #167, Darkoth, and so on.
And I almost forgot a couple of good Galactus appearances, like the one you scanned and the one from about #120 where Reed takes over Galactus's ship.
I don't like it as much later on, from about issue #190 or so, but the earlier part of it is thrilling and usually well written.
I was a big fan of the Byrne years when they were brand new, but I thought they were about as good as the 1970 to 1976 era. They hardly compare to the best years of the Lee/Kirby issues.
I'm sure you speak the truth, but that probably has a lot to do with the fact that jerks like me have only read the Stan/Jack run and Byrne run since both are frequently reprinted. Now that I think about it, I've read the complete runs of Lee/Kirby, Byrne and Walt Simonson and I think that's about it (granted that's probably 90% of everything that's worth reading). It's impossible to top what Lee/Kirby did on FF; it's only the most influential mainstream comic run of all-time. All you can really hope to do is an homage with flairs here and there of individuality. |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2014 5:03:49 GMT -5
The Byrne run was solid but so was the Roy Thomas and Marv Wolfman runs that followed when Lee left the title.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2014 5:11:44 GMT -5
Silver Surfer # 35 Artwork by Ron Lim and Tom Christopher. IMHO, no one tops Starlins version of the character but Ron Lim comes close to matching the grandeur of the mad Titan.   |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on May 3, 2014 5:30:09 GMT -5
Silver Surfer # 35 Artwork by Ron Lim and Tom Christopher. IMHO, no one tops Starlins version of the character but Ron Lim comes close to matching the grandeur of the mad Titan.    I loved Ron Lim during the Infinity Gaunlet run. I especially liked what he did in one of the Silver Surfer issues I believe it was. I think it was a tie-in? Should have been because it was early on and George Perez was still penciling the first few issues of Gauntlet. Anyways, Silver Surfer lands on a planet, takes a nap, and finds a castle or cave. You folks probably know what I'm talking about and where I'm going with this. There is one particular panel where the Surfer in introduced to a giant wall of skulls or something like that. I thought Ron Lim did great on illustrating the entire issue which turns out to be a dream, but not really since he encounters Thanos. I always liked the sparkles Ron put on the Surfer too. Really cool. His characters from a distance in perspective shots still had decent detail too. |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on May 3, 2014 5:38:25 GMT -5
By the way, what is the story behind Byrne and his controversial legacy? I've heard some many tales of him being a jerk, discrediting other creators, rules with an iron fist on his own forums, and maybe shades of being bigoted in some cases. I really appreciate his art, but I'm just wondering is this guy really a loon? Has he also been ousted from the mainstream business too because it seems like he just does commissions now or something.
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 3, 2014 5:45:52 GMT -5
The Ron Lim era on Silver Surfer is when I first encountered Thanos. It's also when I became a big Surfer, Thanos and Starlin fan. Great era.
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Post by Jesse on May 3, 2014 5:51:13 GMT -5
Speaking of Byrne I think this is the first Post Crisis appearance of Mister Mxyzptlk during his Superman run. Superman #11 to be exact. Such a goofy fun page.  |
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 3, 2014 6:01:19 GMT -5
By the way, what is the story behind Byrne and his controversial legacy? I've heard some many tales of him being a jerk, discrediting other creators, rules with an iron fist on his own forums, and maybe shades of being bigoted in some cases. I really appreciate his art, but I'm just wondering is this guy really a loon? Has he also been ousted from the mainstream business too because it seems like he just does commissions now or something. Ah, there is so much to the Saga of Byrne... He has a long history of not getting along well with other creators and editors, which seemed to have started with Chris Claremont. I think the gist of Byrne's issues is that he's EXTREMELY opinionated and set in his ways. I'll always be a fan, but he certainly has his issues. For one thing, he's extremely blunt and not at all politically correct. He didn't win many fans during the 80's during the Kirby vs Marvel fiasco with his "company man" attitude. As with any story, of course, there are two-sides and he certainly has his merits; great work ethic, professional, respectful attitude to characters, etc. As an example, a few years ago a fan commissioned Michael Golden for a Dr. Strange commission. Golden was extremely slow getting it done and when he got around to finishing it, he included a snide "Patience is a virtue" message (that he misspelled) as a bit of a dig at the fan. Byrne learned of this after it was posted on his site and since the fan was also a known fan of Byrne's art, he whipped up an excellent commission of Doctor Strange and gave it to him free of charge. As for his current relationship with Marvel and DC, his beef with Marvel is the cancellation of X-Men: The Hidden Years during the early days of the Quesada era. He's stated that he'll never work for Marvel again under that regime. Basically, Hidden Years was canceled not because of sales (it was selling better than several then current X-titles) or because there were too many X-titles (Marvel's line at the time) but because Quesada wanted to bring in a bunch of indie talent and Hollywood dilettantes and change the tone and philosophy of how the comics were written. (Basically he wanted everything to be as "serious" as Watchmen and DKR's) I'm not as knowledgeable about his break with DC, but I think it had a lot to do with his last few projects being meddled with (particularly with inker's altering his art) and his refusal to work on a project which was a promotion for Superman Returns, which he despised. I believe Levitz was enraged at him for this and canceled his projects. I think this is the gist. |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2014 6:01:37 GMT -5
By the way, what is the story behind Byrne and his controversial legacy? I've heard some many tales of him being a jerk, discrediting other creators, rules with an iron fist on his own forums, and maybe shades of being bigoted in some cases. I really appreciate his art, but I'm just wondering is this guy really a loon? Has he also been ousted from the mainstream business too because it seems like he just does commissions now or something. He suffers from not keeping his mouth shut. Everyone has opinions but you have to know when not to reveal them. He's made ill timed comments about Latinas, Christophers Reeves Death and other creators that he should not have made at the time. As for his non work from the Big two- maybe they feel he's not worth the hassle. He also lost a foot on his fastball by not really doing backgrounds in his newer work. I was a big fan until his Wonder Woman Run. I felt that's when he began to not be " John Byrne " anymore. |
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