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Post by shaxper on Apr 6, 2015 8:37:01 GMT -5
Comichron has released Diamond's sales figures for February, and apparently Orphan Black, a new title from IDW, was the #1 seller for the month, nearly doubling the figures of Marvel and DC's best sellers for that month. I'd never heard anything about this book before, but I'd imagine it's got to be worth discussing. When's the last time a non Big Two comic was the #1 seller for a month? Preview: www.idwpublishing.com/orphan-black-1-preview/"One. Of a kind. Sarah’s life was changed dramatically after witnessing the suicide of a woman who looked just like her. Sarah learned that, not only were she and the woman clones, but there were others just like them, and dangerous factions at work set on capturing them all. Now, the mysterious world of Orphan Black widens, with new layers of the conspiracy being peeled back in this miniseries by co-creators John Fawcett and Graeme Manson!"
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Post by shaxper on Apr 6, 2015 9:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 6, 2015 10:08:36 GMT -5
It's actually a BBC series.. I think the 3rd season is currently airing on BBC America. The main character (pictured) is actually like 10 or so characters... all clones of each other, living different lives, and they're trying to figure out why... at least, that's what happens in the first 1/2 of the first season.
I'd assume this is a loot crate thing, or some similar service.. no way this is that popular of a property!
Edit: Yup... it's Loot Crate. They also show on Comichron the wholesale list, where (apparently due to the huge discount Loot Crate gets), Orphan Black came in 3rd, behind Darth Vader and Spider-Gwen, despite selling twice as many units for the same cover price... so that means Loot Crate is getting about double the wholesale discount a normal seller gets.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 6, 2015 10:11:22 GMT -5
I'd assume this is a loot crate thing, or some similar service.. no way this is that popular of a property! Now that's an intriguing thought. If a company like Loot Crate, in selling its own variants of a #1, can have that kind of an impact on the industry, that opens the doors for some serious king-making in comicdom.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 6, 2015 10:20:01 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder how useful the sales charts really are.... with trading being more and more important, and digital totally uncharted, I'm not sure what we see there is really that indicative of the market.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 6, 2015 10:27:50 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder how useful the sales charts really are.... with trading being more and more important, and digital totally uncharted, I'm not sure what we see there is really that indicative of the market. Still, if they're the numbers the publishers are themselves looking at when making their decisions, it's worth seeing, but your point is astute.
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Post by hondobrode on Apr 6, 2015 11:18:14 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder how useful the sales charts really are.... with trading being more and more important, and digital totally uncharted, I'm not sure what we see there is really that indicative of the market. 100 % agree. The digital market I suspect is much larger than we're lead to believe and publishers keep those numbers close because they don't have to reveal them. The market is much more complex than A. Here's what sold through Diamond, and B. maybe some newsstand sales. Diamond is obviously the largest factor, but digital has multiple offerings besides the giant Comixology. Loot Crate and other similar offerings factor in as well and can be significant, like Orphan Black in this case. The market is not only healthy, but healthier than we're lead to believe. Shax, I hadn't heard of Orphan Black either until I read this news. It just goes to show that there's an audience out there for other non-mainstream Big Two products and licensing is one of the fastest ways to build market share along with accelerated exposure through venues like Loot Crate. I bought a Groupees bundle to help benefit the CBLDF (Comic Book Legal Defense Fund), despite owning some of the Dynamite content offered. It was a steal of a bargain, allowed me to read some stuff I didn't already have at a ridiculously low price, and help the CBLDF too. As of today, they've sold 1,986 bundles of Dynamite product. Here's what $ 10 got me : Alice Cooper # 1-3 Army of Darkness : Hail to the Queen # 1-5 Bob's Burgers # 1-2 Chaos ! # 1-6 Cryptozoic Man # 1-4 Django / Zorro # 1-2 Dreadstar # 1-12 Dresden : Storm Front # 1-4 Garth Ennis' Jennifer Blood # 1-3 Kevin Smith's Green Hornet # 1-10 Legenderry # 1-7 Pathfinder # 1-6 Project : Superpowers # 0-7 Purgatori # 1-4 Red Sonja volume 2 Queen of Plagues # 1-6 Sherlock Holmes : Moriarty Lives # 1-5 The Spider # 1-6 Tom Clancey's Splinter Cell : Echoes # 1-4
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Post by shaxper on Apr 6, 2015 11:20:02 GMT -5
There's a Dresden Files comic?
Oh boy. My Wife's gonna need that.
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Post by hondobrode on Apr 6, 2015 11:35:51 GMT -5
Vampirella Feary Tales # 1-2 THAT'S 107 FOR $ 10 AND IT GOES TO THE COMIC BOOK LEGAL DEFENSE FUND that helps protect the stuff that you and I and others like to read. Instant gratification / download, no s/h, no sales tax. Comic Book Legal Defense Fund fund raiser with Dynamite Entertainment and GroupeesEven if you don't bite on $ 10, you can contribute as little as $ 1 and still get some swagginess. As of this posting, there's literally only 1 day and slightly over 9 hours left. Limited time offer ! Don't ask, just buy
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Post by shaxper on Apr 6, 2015 11:42:08 GMT -5
Might want to give that it's own thread, hondo. It's certainly worth the attention.
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Post by hondobrode on Apr 6, 2015 11:42:57 GMT -5
Agreed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 11:55:02 GMT -5
When's the last time a non Big Two comic was the #1 seller for a month? Walking Dead has done it at the start of their big World War storyline that had like 11 or 12 covers, Jupiter's Legacy #1 by Millar did it with a bunch of covers. It's always stunts, multiple covers and for a single issue only, then the sales pattern returns to normal. And both of those were before Loot Crate bumps started happening. Orphan Black #2 likely won't crack the top 50 books the following month. -M
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Post by the4thpip on Apr 6, 2015 11:58:50 GMT -5
I think Loot Crate is a cool business model, and I think it's great for the industry. I bet there are currently twice as many copies of Rocket Raccoon being sold every month as without the big promotion for #1.
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Post by hondobrode on Apr 6, 2015 12:35:17 GMT -5
I'd agree with that.
Yes, they're all temporary blips, but that's doesn't mean they don't have an effect. More exposure means gains of some kind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 14:47:50 GMT -5
I'd agree with that. Yes, they're all temporary blips, but that's doesn't mean they don't have an effect. More exposure means gains of some kind. But it's not exposing it to the people who are actually ordering the books and not before they place the order. Retailers already ordered Orphan Black #2 and 3 before the Loot Crate selection was announced. Those orders set the print run for #2 and #3 before anyone ever saw a copy of #1. Retailers (according to Brian Hibbs) have to sell 4 out of every 5 copies of a book they order to break even/show any profit. If they had 3 preorders on #1 they might not have ordered more than 3 copies for it, or for #2 or for #3, so they are not likely to have shelf copies beyond their pulls for it unless they know they can sell them before they ever saw the Loot Crate bump. Maybe they can get reorders, but the print run was decided by preorders, so even if someone saw Orphan Black #1 in Loot Crate, decided to try to find a comic shop and drove there, they might not be copies of #2 or #3 on the shelves as the earliest impact on preorders the Loot Crate bump could have would be for issue #4, but people who could not get #2 or #3 aren't likely to buy #4. Maybe the big name online retailers like DCBS, Midtown, et. al. might have copies available as they order to sell them to their preorders plus to online customers for a few months after release, but that just means the copies they ordered already are selling quicker, not that they ordered more copies. If we saw #2 and #3 of books featured in Loot Crate going to second and third printings, then I would say the exposure is increasing sales. So for print, Loot Crate is not likely to have any affect on sales as the orders and size of print runs are decided before anyone sees/knows about the Loot Crate factor. It might cause an increase in digital sales. We don't see digital sales numbers but we do get top 10 seller lists form Comixology. The only Loot Crate featured books that cracked top 10 after the feature were books that were in the top 10 before they were featured-Batman and Amazing Spider-Man, and since the only indication we have gotten is that the vast majority of books sell about 10% of the print runs in digital and sales charts in digital seem to mirror print sales charts in hierarchy of what's selling (with a few rare exceptions like Ms. Marvel from Marvel which outsold print in digital and has had 8-9 printings of #1 already but no Loot Crate bump, just word of mouth), we're not seeing any evidence of a surge in digital sales for these Loot Crate books either. Exposure is good, sure, but the way the market is structured for ordering currently that exposure has to come 3-4 months before the book sees print to have any impact on the first 3-4 issues of the books sales aside from the actual bump that a Loot Crate or variant cover blitz provides. And since retailer shave to be conservative in their ordering, not many are going to say hey lots of people who aren't my customers are getting #1 I should up more orders for #2 because people who aren't my customers might want it. He already has a good idea of how many he or she can sell to his customer base because of his pull list and in store sales patterns, and that will have a whole lot more impact on how many gets ordered than a Loot Crate exposure. Sure a retailer could order a few more and try to capitalize on the Loot Crate bump by selling online via an ebay store or some such, but the added level of fees from ebay, Paypal etc. cuts the margins so he would have to sell a large volume of copies to make it worth his time and effort, and all that time and effort would not build his regular customer base, it would represent a one time spike in sales that probably won't be duplicated the following month. So more work for lower margins to make a few extra dollars. Until such a time that publishers find a way to make it less risky and more profitable for retailers to stock books long term and beyond what they can sell from pulls and the day the book comes out from walk in traffic, stunts like Loot Crate and multiple cover bonanzas are not going to translate into long term sales increases. Image right now has the best program for this as many of their new titles are sold on a returnable basis for the first issue and sometimes the first 3 if you hit certain sales levels. This encourages retailers (whose preorders decide print runs) to order more and keep the book available for a time to expose it to their own customer base and they can then return for a credit the unsold copies if it doesn't pan out. There's still risk for the retailer, but its ameliorated and actually encourages them to support a new book and try to sell it to their end customers rather than just being conservative and ordering what they know they can already sell plus a few variants they can make a quick buck on if they are close to the order thresholds. But until the direct market changes, retailer orders, not customer sales or exposure, will determine the sales success or failure of a book, and that is what Comichron measures, retailers orders, not final sales to customers. -M
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