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Post by codystarbuck on May 21, 2023 12:11:43 GMT -5
ps I hated the pixie costume; but, my adolescent self was okay with the boob window. However, I'm more of a "leg man," so I preferred the original. Seemed like her Silver Age artists did, too, as they all seemed to enjoy drawing her in sexy poses and from angles that accentuated her legs and hind quarters. Even the BTAS guys emphasized that fact....
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Post by Hoosier X on May 21, 2023 12:34:51 GMT -5
I assumed that Superman would need an actual copy of the Necronomicon, not a mass-produced paperback that you could buy at a bookstore. Unless of course one of those mass produced paperbacks contains the magical energy that Superman is testing. Which, I must admit, it’s not impossible in the DC Universe.
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Post by chadwilliam on May 21, 2023 13:09:34 GMT -5
I like the premise, that Superman is trying to figure out why he’s so susceptible to magic, and wondering if there’s a cure for it. ugh. The whole 'Superman is susceptible to magic' bit might be the most commonly misunderstood thing about the character. It isn't that Superman has a weakness to magic, it just means that being super strong and fast and being able to fly doesn't carry with it any sort of protection against it. He's susceptible to magic in the same say that he's susceptible to, say, light. We can see him, therefore he's affected by light, but this doesn't mean light hurts him. Same thing with magic - in and of itself, magic doesn't hurt him. He's not going to keel over if someone does a card trick in front of him or correctly guesses what he had for breakfast that morning. Of course, if a magician has the ability to make him turn invisible, he'll turn invisible since muscles don't protect against magic spells. BUT he doesn't have some super weakness to magic which would make him turn invisible and cry out in agony. Alright, rant over. |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 21, 2023 13:57:10 GMT -5
I like the premise, that Superman is trying to figure out why he’s so susceptible to magic, and wondering if there’s a cure for it. ugh. The whole 'Superman is susceptible to magic' bit might be the most commonly misunderstood thing about the character. It isn't that Superman has a weakness to magic, it just means that being super strong and fast and being able to fly doesn't carry with it any sort of protection against it. He's susceptible to magic in the same say that he's susceptible to, say, light. We can see him, therefore he's affected by light, but this doesn't mean light hurts him. Same thing with magic - in and of itself, magic doesn't hurt him. He's not going to keel over if someone does a card trick in front of him or correctly guesses what he had for breakfast that morning. Of course, if a magician has the ability to make him turn invisible, he'll turn invisible since muscles don't protect against magic spells. BUT he doesn't have some super weakness to magic which would make him turn invisible and cry out in agony. Alright, rant over. I don’t know that I’ve ever run into anybody who thinks that it works that way. |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 21, 2023 14:01:38 GMT -5
I like the premise, that Superman is trying to figure out why he’s so susceptible to magic, and wondering if there’s a cure for it. ugh. The whole 'Superman is susceptible to magic' bit might be the most commonly misunderstood thing about the character. It isn't that Superman has a weakness to magic, it just means that being super strong and fast and being able to fly doesn't carry with it any sort of protection against it. He's susceptible to magic in the same say that he's susceptible to, say, light. We can see him, therefore he's affected by light, but this doesn't mean light hurts him. Same thing with magic - in and of itself, magic doesn't hurt him. He's not going to keel over if someone does a card trick in front of him or correctly guesses what he had for breakfast that morning. Of course, if a magician has the ability to make him turn invisible, he'll turn invisible since muscles don't protect against magic spells. BUT he doesn't have some super weakness to magic which would make him turn invisible and cry out in agony. Alright, rant over. Maybe they should have substituted "sorcery" for "magic"? |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 21, 2023 14:30:53 GMT -5
The Brave and the Bold #113 is one of the most fun comics I’ve read for a while. The Metal Men team-up is Bob Haney at his Bob Haneyist. The Green Arrow reprint is cracking me up. And this Hawkman reprint ...
It’s Hawkman and Hawkgirl’s first appearance from The Brave and the Bold #34! I might have read it before, but I don’t remember any of this. It’s so crazy! They introduce themselves to the Midway City police commissioner and he immediately accepts their story and gets them jobs running the museum! And he lets Shayera borrow his daughter’s dresses!
And then there’s Mavis Trent! She cracks me up! I wonder if she looks like Millie Perkins on purpose. (Shayera looks like Ann-Margret.)
There’s also reprints of Challengers of the Unknown and the Viking Prince, but I haven’t read those yet.
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Post by chadwilliam on May 21, 2023 15:13:08 GMT -5
ugh. The whole 'Superman is susceptible to magic' bit might be the most commonly misunderstood thing about the character. It isn't that Superman has a weakness to magic, it just means that being super strong and fast and being able to fly doesn't carry with it any sort of protection against it. He's susceptible to magic in the same say that he's susceptible to, say, light. We can see him, therefore he's affected by light, but this doesn't mean light hurts him. Same thing with magic - in and of itself, magic doesn't hurt him. He's not going to keel over if someone does a card trick in front of him or correctly guesses what he had for breakfast that morning. Of course, if a magician has the ability to make him turn invisible, he'll turn invisible since muscles don't protect against magic spells. BUT he doesn't have some super weakness to magic which would make him turn invisible and cry out in agony. Alright, rant over. I don’t know that I’ve ever run into anybody who thinks that it works that way. I don't think anyone would agree that they see it that way if that's how you presented the idea to them, but anytime I read a comic where a group of characters go into a place with magic and one of them remarks something like, "Better keep an eye on Superman, you know what magic does to him" the bolded part would nicely sum up why this isn't the problem they think it is - or at least, not a worse problem than if, say, Wonder Woman or Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter were exposed to the same magic. |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 22, 2023 18:05:57 GMT -5
The Brave and the Bold #113
Batman and the Metal Men
“The Fifty-Story Killer”
Story: Bob Haney
Art: Jim Aparo
I love The Metal Men! They are favorites of mine from the Bronze Age based on just a couple of stories, some Batman team-ups in The Brave and the Bold #121 and 187. I bought #121 at a used-book store when it was a year or two old and I got #187 from a spinner rack when it was brand new.
I don’t think I read another Metal Men story until the 1990s. And eventually I got The Metal Men Archives, Volume One, and started picking up beat-up copies of the 1960s series here and there.
Geez, it’s nutty as hell!
The team appeared in TBATB seven times with Batman and an additional two other non-Batman team-ups in #55 (with the Atom) and #66 (with Metamorpho).
As much as I love The Metal Men, I haven’t read all the TBATB appearances, but I snagged #113, a 100-Page Super Spectacular issue, recently and it’s been a lot of fun!
A new mayor of Gotham City is sworn in, and the first thing he does is fire Gordon and appoint a new commissioner! And then he tells Batman to hang up his cape to make way for Gotham’s new vigilante protectors ... The Metal Men!
So Bruce gives up the Batman identity and mopes around in the Wayne Building. Until some bad guys hold the whole building hostage! There’s a gas that knocks you unconscious, but if they increase the pressure a little, everybody will die!
The penthouse has an independent ventilation system so the bad guys go there to demand the ransom money from Bruce Wayne himself.
The police are stymied. The new commissioner doesn’t have any experience with anything like this. And the Metal Men can’t really do anything without endangering the hostages.
God, it’s so dumb! I was enjoying every panel. I wasn’t really that thrilled that the Metal Men had so little to do. But that kind of thing happens when you start working from a goofy premise based on a cover that’s already drawn and then you make it up as you go along and then suddenly you have to wrap it up in two pages.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Haneyverse!
And there’s more! All sorts of goofy reprints with Green Arrow, Hawkman (his first appearance!), the Challengers of the Unknown and the Viking Prince.
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Post by chadwilliam on May 22, 2023 20:43:15 GMT -5
The Brave and the Bold #113 Batman and the Metal Men “The Fifty-Story Killer” Story: Bob Haney Art: Jim Aparo The team appeared in TBATB seven times with Batman and an additional two other non-Batman team-ups in #55 (with the Atom) and #66 (with Metamorpho). As much as I love The Metal Men, I haven’t read all the TBATB appearances, but I snagged #113, a 100-Page Super Spectacular issue, recently and it’s been a lot of fun! I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Bob Haney's last Brave and the Bold issue from 2000 which co-starred, you guessed it, The Metal Men. I suspect you'll like it - part of DC's wider Summer Event which focused on the post-Crisis' take on the Silver Age - it has all the feel of a Bob Haney story showing that he hadn't at all lost his touch since he left the title 20+ years prior. The Penguin has switched bodies with Batman but, of course, The Metal Men don't know this. It even boasts a Jim Aparo cover though Kevin Maguire handled the interiors.    |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 24, 2023 16:00:23 GMT -5
The Brave and the Bold #113 Batman and the Metal Men “The Fifty-Story Killer” Story: Bob Haney Art: Jim Aparo The team appeared in TBATB seven times with Batman and an additional two other non-Batman team-ups in #55 (with the Atom) and #66 (with Metamorpho). As much as I love The Metal Men, I haven’t read all the TBATB appearances, but I snagged #113, a 100-Page Super Spectacular issue, recently and it’s been a lot of fun! I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Bob Haney's last Brave and the Bold issue from 2000 which co-starred, you guessed it, The Metal Men. I suspect you'll like it - part of DC's wider Summer Event which focused on the post-Crisis' take on the Silver Age - it has all the feel of a Bob Haney story showing that he hadn't at all lost his touch since he left the title 20+ years prior. The Penguin has switched bodies with Batman but, of course, The Metal Men don't know this. It even boasts a Jim Aparo cover though Kevin Maguire handled the interiors. I bought three or four issues of this series when it first came out, but I missed the Metal Men issue. However, on an excursion to San Bernardino to check out a comic-book store a couple of years ago, I got hold of this issue. I don’t remember this story at all. And I wasn’t sure where I had filed it. But I found it a couple of nights ago when I was trying to find TBATB #98 (with the Phantom Stranger) that had gotten separated from the rest of the TBATB collection. So I’ll take a look at it in the next few days. |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 25, 2023 16:13:22 GMT -5
The Brave and the Bold #129
Batman and Green Arrow, the Atom, the Joker and Two-Face
“The Claws of the Emperor Eagle”
Story: Bob Haney
Art: Jim Aparo
TBATB #129 is part of my childhood. It was my second issue of TBATB and probably among the first ten DC comics I bought brand new off a spinner rack. I had been reading super-hero comics for about a year and I was mostly reading Marvels. So I had eight to ten recent issues of Spider-Man, Hulk, Daredevil, The Avengers, Marvel Team-Up, Iron Man and several others.
And only 10 DC comics.
As near as I can figure, the first DC comic I ever bought brand new was Super-Team Family #4, which reprinted the Justice Society’s epic battle with Solomon Grundy from All-Star Comics #33. I didn’t like DC for the most part. But I had read the Famous First Edition reprint of All-Star Comics #3 at a friend’s house and I’ve had a great fondness for the JSA ever since.
So by the time I bought TBATB #129, I had that issue of Super-Team Family; TBATB #128 (with Mister Miracle); The Joker #7, #8 and #9; The Secret Society of Super-Villains #2 and #3; Superman #301 (with Solomon Grundy!); and Batman 279.
Meanwhile, the month I bought TBATB #129, I bought 15 Marvel comics, including Nova #1 and Captain America’s Bicentennial Battles! (This would be June 1976, comics dated September.)
I still have Batman #279, Super-Team Family #4 and some of the others, but TBATB #129 has been gone for a long time! I bought another one at the comic-book shop in Fullerton two weeks ago. It’s been so long that I don’t really remember the story. All I remember is that I loved it in 1976! It was the first comic I ever owned with Green Arrow, Atom and Two-Face!
I read it a few nights ago and it is just so nuts! Oliver Queen acquires the artifact known as the Emperor Eagle and everybody wants it! While it’s being transported to the US, the Joker and Two-Face hi-jack the plane to Pathanistan in Central Asia. Where Oliver is arrested and charged with theft and sentenced to death! Only Batman (and the Atom) can save Oliver by skewering a ring on a lance while riding swiftly by on a horse!
There’s more. A lot more. Enough for a second issue as it’s a continued story! (I had the second issue back in 1976 but I don’t have it any more. I’ll probably pick it up over the summer.)
It’s all the Haney-nanigans that you expect from the Haneyverse. And great Aparo art! I probably shouldn’t like it. But I love it!
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The Brave and the Bold #137
Batman and the Demon
“Hour of the Serpent”
Story: Bob Haney
Art: John Calnan and Bob McLeod
This is the second of the Demon’s two appearances in TBATB.
Batman is in Gotham’s Chinatown at the request of Danny Loo and he soon runs into a Chinese street gang shaking down a gambling den. They are the Savage Dragons, and they flee when the police arrive. Danny Loo is with them, and he tells Batman that the gang is certainly a problem, but he asked Batman to come to Chinatown to look into a series of mysterious deaths. They seem like natural deaths, but the victims all have a disturbing look of horror on their faces, like they died of fright!
The name of the Shahn-Zi is mentioned, a very nice callback to TBATB #75 in 1967, when Batman and the Spectre went to Chinatown and defeated the evil entity know as the Shahn-Zi. Danny Loo was also in that story. So it’s very nice to see some continuity in these pages. Bob Haney wrote BTATB #75 as well as this one.
Batman explains that the Shahn-Zi was destroyed by the Spectre in the previous story. But maybe not? He soon runs into Jason Blood, who is a Gotham City resident who can just decide to visit Gotham’s Chinatown on a whim and there’s no need for a contrived reason for the heroes to meet. And soon, Blood’s alter ego the demon Etrigan is dragged into the case.
It seems that indeed the Shahn-Zi is not dead! And the Demon and Batman have a little trouble with him for a few pages. He turns Batman into an actual bat for a while!
I’d have to read the story again to remember how they beat him. But they do! Don’t worry about that!
Solid storytelling from Haney and nice art by Calnan and McLeod.
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The Brave and the Bold #162
Batman and Sgt. Rock
“Operation: Time Bomb”
Writer: Bill Kelley
Artist: Jim Aparo
Sgt. Rock appeared in TBATB six times! In TBATB #84, #96, #108, #117, #124 and #162. He seems to have been a very popular guest star and I should be a little embarrassed that I’ve only read two of them. My cursory online research reveals a few continuity problems of one kind or another as Sgt. Rock is said to be an Earth-1 character and he’s really a bit old to be romping with Earth-1 Batman in 1970s. And then there’s this story in #162 where Earth-2 Batman is running around in 1944 Europe with an Earth-2 Sgt. Rock! So, I guess there’s an Earth-2 Sgt. Rock, which is fine with me. Or maybe there’s another explanation!
Earth-2 Bruce Wayne (I guess) is in London on war business and he puts on his bat-suit and goes to France because reasons. He meets up with Sgt. Rock and they figure out that a shipment of new tanks for the Western Front have been sabotaged! They’ve all been outfitted with bombs to blow up when they have traveled a certain distance! And Sgt. Rock’s old enemy the Iron Major is behind it! They confront the Iron Major at a French fortress (which the Germans have taken over) and it ends with the fortress exploding. Batman and Sgt. Rock escape and they find the Iron Major’s hand in the rubble. So he must be dead.
Or is he?
This issue was published after Haney left the series and the writer is Bill Kelley, who I’m not familiar with. He did a pretty good job on this story. Great art by Jim Aparo, of course.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 25, 2023 21:00:20 GMT -5
The Brave and the Bold #129 Batman and Green Arrow, the Atom, the Joker and Two-Face “The Claws of the Emperor Eagle” Story: Bob Haney Art: Jim Aparo TBATB #129 is part of my childhood. It was my second issue of TBATB and probably among the first ten DC comics I bought brand new off a spinner rack. I had been reading super-hero comics for about a year and I was mostly reading Marvels. So I had eight to ten recent issues of Spider-Man, Hulk, Daredevil, The Avengers, Marvel Team-Up, Iron Man and several others. And only 10 DC comics. As near as I can figure, the first DC comic I ever bought brand new was Super-Team Family #4, which reprinted the Justice Society’s epic battle with Solomon Grundy from All-Star Comics #33. I didn’t like DC for the most part. But I had read the Famous First Edition reprint of All-Star Comics #3 at a friend’s house and I’ve had a great fondness for the JSA ever since. So by the time I bought TBATB #129, I had that issue of Super-Team Family; TBATB #128 (with Mister Miracle); The Joker #7, #8 and #9; The Secret Society of Super-Villains #2 and #3; Superman #301 (with Solomon Grundy!); and Batman 279. Meanwhile, the month I bought TBATB #129, I bought 15 Marvel comics, including Nova #1 and Captain America’s Bicentennial Battles! (This would be June 1976, comics dated September.) I still have Batman #279, Super-Team Family #4 and some of the others, but TBATB #129 has been gone for a long time! I bought another one at the comic-book shop in Fullerton two weeks ago. It’s been so long that I don’t really remember the story. All I remember is that I loved it in 1976! It was the first comic I ever owned with Green Arrow, Atom and Two-Face! I read it a few nights ago and it is just so nuts! Oliver Queen acquires the artifact known as the Emperor Eagle and everybody wants it! While it’s being transported to the US, the Joker and Two-Face hi-jack the plane to Pathanistan in Central Asia. Where Oliver is arrested and charged with theft and sentenced to death! Only Batman (and the Atom) can save Oliver by skewering a ring on a lance while riding swiftly by on a horse! There’s more. A lot more. Enough for a second issue as it’s a continued story! (I had the second issue back in 1976 but I don’t have it any more. I’ll probably pick it up over the summer.) It’s all the Haney-nanigans that you expect from the Haneyverse. And great Aparo art! I probably shouldn’t like it. But I love it! —————————————————————— The Brave and the Bold #137 Batman and the Demon “Hour of the Serpent” Story: Bob Haney Art: John Calnan and Bob McLeod This is the second of the Demon’s two appearances in TBATB. Batman is in Gotham’s Chinatown at the request of Danny Loo and he soon runs into a Chinese street gang shaking down a gambling den. They are the Savage Dragons, and they flee when the police arrive. Danny Loo is with them, and he tells Batman that the gang is certainly a problem, but he asked Batman to come to Chinatown to look into a series of mysterious deaths. They seem like natural deaths, but the victims all have a disturbing look of horror on their faces, like they died of fright! The name of the Shahn-Zi is mentioned, a very nice callback to TBATB #75 in 1967, when Batman and the Spectre went to Chinatown and defeated the evil entity know as the Shahn-Zi. Danny Loo was also in that story. So it’s very nice to see some continuity in these pages. Bob Haney wrote BTATB #75 as well as this one. Batman explains that the Shahn-Zi was destroyed by the Spectre in the previous story. But maybe not? He soon runs into Jason Blood, who is a Gotham City resident who can just decide to visit Gotham’s Chinatown on a whim and there’s no need for a contrived reason for the heroes to meet. And soon, Blood’s alter ego the demon Etrigan is dragged into the case. It seems that indeed the Shahn-Zi is not dead! And the Demon and Batman have a little trouble with him for a few pages. He turns Batman into an actual bat for a while! I’d have to read the story again to remember how they beat him. But they do! Don’t worry about that! Solid storytelling from Haney and nice art by Calnan and McLeod. —————————————————- The Brave and the Bold #162 Batman and Sgt. Rock “Operation: Time Bomb” Writer: Bill Kelley Artist: Jim Aparo Sgt. Rock appeared in TBATB six times! In TBATB #84, #96, #108, #117, #124 and #162. He seems to have been a very popular guest star and I should be a little embarrassed that I’ve only read two of them. My cursory online research reveals a few continuity problems of one kind or another as Sgt. Rock is said to be an Earth-1 character and he’s really a bit old to be romping with Earth-1 Batman in 1970s. And then there’s this story in #162 where Earth-2 Batman is running around in 1944 Europe with an Earth-2 Sgt. Rock! So, I guess there’s an Earth-2 Sgt. Rock, which is fine with me. Or maybe there’s another explanation! Earth-2 Bruce Wayne (I guess) is in London on war business and he puts on his bat-suit and goes to France because reasons. He meets up with Sgt. Rock and they figure out that a shipment of new tanks for the Western Front have been sabotaged! They’ve all been outfitted with bombs to blow up when they have traveled a certain distance! And Sgt. Rock’s old enemy the Iron Major is behind it! They confront the Iron Major at a French fortress (which the Germans have taken over) and it ends with the fortress exploding. Batman and Sgt. Rock escape and they find the Iron Major’s hand in the rubble. So he must be dead. Or is he? This issue was published after Haney left the series and the writer is Bill Kelley, who I’m not familiar with. He did a pretty good job on this story. Great art by Jim Aparo, of course. The DC war comics characters were stated to be on Earth-1, with no superheroes in existence until well after the war. Then, people started messing with that. Haney never followed continuity closely; but, I'm surprised it was allowed for another writer, unless the editor just didn't care. Rock was shown to survive the war and rise to be a lieutenant, but later stories had him dying in the war and other ends. By contrast, DC Comics Presents kept a tighter rein on that. When Superman met Sgt Rock, in WW2, it was the Earth-1 Supes, blown back in time, by a bomb (kind of like Superman 2, but the bomb turns out to be alien). He has amnesia and puts on a uniform; but, it is around the time of the Battle of the Bulge, because Rock and Easy Co. are wary, because of infiltrators. There comes a moment when Supes has to fire a weapon at the enemy and freezes and the stress of it restores his memory. he still manages to save Easy and fakes his death, then returns to the present, to locate the source of the bomb, in the next issue. Quite frankly, I always thought that the war comics should not be on a world that ever had or will have superheroes. If not Earth Prime, then Earth-GI. |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 25, 2023 21:29:31 GMT -5
Thanks for that info, codystarbuck.
I looked up Bill Kelley on Mike’s Amazing World. He has 64 credits mostly between 1978 and 1982, and it’s a lot of DC war comics and a lot of DC horror comics.
That issue of The Brave and the Bold was his only super-hero comic.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 25, 2023 22:04:50 GMT -5
Thanks for that info, codystarbuck. I looked up Bill Kelley on Mike’s Amazing World. He has 64 credits mostly between 1978 and 1982, and it’s a lot of DC war comics and a lot of DC horror comics. That issue of The Brave and the Bold was his only super-hero comic. The War comics and the horror comics were usually the early assignments for young talent. The romance comics got them too, when they were still around. One of Walt Simonson's early assignments was a war comic, for Archie Goodwin, which led him to select Walt to draw Manhunter, in Detective Comics. The war comics were often more than one story and the rookies might get a back-up tale, while the more experienced guys got the lead feature. Chaykin drew some Enemy Ace, in the later 70s. The horror comics probably got more rookie artists, as Joe Orlando edited them and was one of the guys who mentored young talent, more. The romance comics got a lot of young writers, as did the war comics. If you could handle that kind of stuff, you might get to move on to the superheroes, provided there was a story available. Mike Kaluta did a couple of horror stories, before getting a World of Krypton back-up story, in Superman #240. He then started working on Carson of Venus, in DC's Korak, Son of Tarzan comic. From there (along with some more horror) he moved on to do The Shadow. I wanna say Len Wein did some writing for the romance comics and Chaykin and Alan Weiss drew some. Steve Gerber's partner, Mary Skrenes did work for Dorothy Woolfolk, the editor. |
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Post by codystarbuck on May 25, 2023 22:15:11 GMT -5
ps I see people talk about getting Marvel and hating DC....you guys were reading the wrong material. How could you hate DC if you picked up some of the stuff done by Mike Kaluta, Berni Wrightson, Howard Chaykin, Walt Simonson, Sal Amendola or any of the Filipino artists, like Nestor Redondo?
I preferred DC, in part, because the stories were usually self-contained. When you didn't have regular access to a newsstand and they didn't always carry the next issue (or didn't have it when you got to the newsstand, you tended to go with something self-contained. On top of that, DC didn't have that huckster vibe that Stan gave everything and that Roy and the other imitated. That used to put me off, as it sounded too much like a used car sales pitch. I tended to be skeptical of the hard sell, which stood me well, in life.
That said, it depended on the book and the team. Give me a nice Swanderson Superman, or Elliot Maggin writing, or a Grell Green Lantern back-up story, or some Kaluta or Wrightson, some Aparo and I was happy. Irv Novick did some fine Batman, in that era and some Flash, too. I liked Dick Dillin, on Justice League. he handled crowds well, kept everyone identifiable, and could draw anything. maybe the layouts weren't as vibrant as Marvel; but, I'd put him up against your average Sal Buscema Marvel, or some of the other, less flashy workhorses.
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