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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 12, 2023 12:16:48 GMT -5
I just read Batman #264 and it’s not Denny O’Neil’s finest hour. Looks like he's taking on one of the guys from Marvel's Team America, who wouldn't show up till 1982. Another Evel Knievel cash-in moment.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 17, 2023 19:07:54 GMT -5
I got Batman #256 and Batman #269 arriving in the mail in the next few days. As soon as they get here, I’ll have every issue from #251 to #307.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 2, 2024 22:10:57 GMT -5
I got Batman #256 and Batman #269 arriving in the mail in the next few days. As soon as they get here, I’ll have every issue from #251 to #307. Batman #256 seems to have got caught up in the mail somewhere. But I now have every issue from #257 to #307. And #330 and #331 arrived in the mail today, so I’ve got every issue from #325 to #400 (and a little further, but I forget just how far I went when I was reading Batman in the 1980s. Not past #410, I’m sure.) I only need #256, #308, #318, #321 (which should be coming in the mail soon) and #324 to have every issue from #251 to #400.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 2, 2024 22:46:48 GMT -5
I’m still working on my project to read every issue of Detective Comics from #244 to the present. I read #326, the last issue with Jack Schiff as editor, last week. I’ve been writing short reviews in the Complete Batman, 1955 to 1978, thread. But I’m not planning to review every issue as I hit the New Look. The reviews for #244 to #326 were fun for me because I love the era so much, and I think it was a good idea to provide some short summaries and a little analysis for a period that comic-book fans talk about a lot, even when not that many people have read more than a handful of issues. A lot of those stories have never been reprinted. So I was hoping to provide a little information on stories that are kind of hard to find.
The New Look is a lot more accessible. There are numerous reprints, in black and white or color, and they are sometimes available in libraries. So it doesn’t feel so vital to review them issue by issue. Especially since I don’t like them as much.
They’re OK. Most of the time. There’s only a few that make me feel ill. And there’s quite a few of them that I like a lot. Like anything with the Grasshopper Gang! Or Johnny Witts! The Clue-Master!
So I will be noting my progress, but since I won’t be reviewing every issue, and thus it won’t be anywhere near “complete,” I have decided to move my massive Detective Comics Reading Project to the Bat-splaining thread.
I was going to take a break for a couple of weeks, but I actually felt like reading Detective #327 yesterday. It’s not a comic that I like that much, so I haven’t read it for a while. I first read it way back in the 1990s when DC published those Silver Age Classics reprints. I’ve read it a few times over the years. I got my own copy of the original comic five or six years ago. It’s a solid copy, I felt that I got it for a good price. And I’m sure I read it because I read everything, even when I get something I’ve read before. But there’s a very good chance that I skimmed it and didn’t really read it that close. So it was time to pick it up again and take another look at it.
It’s OK, I guess. Very nice Infantino art. And there’s no aliens, and Batman doesn’t turn into a giant or a mermaid or a zebra, and there’s no giant monsters rampaging through the countryside.
But I actually find it kind of dull. The bad guy has some kind of magic ray gun or something that marks Batman and Robin on their foreheads with a magic phosphorus isotope that enables him to control their brain functions somehow, BECAUSE REASONS!
I just really don’t see how this is any less silly than the stories of the late 1950s and early 1960s. Just assigning Carmine Infantino to the Batman books made them more modern. But put Infantino on some of those stories from the Schiff era, and you would’ve had the same effect. I feel like Schiff was already trying to do that in a small way by having Jim Mooney on the Cat-Man stories.
I just don’t find The Mystery of the Menacing Mask to be that much more mature or sophisticated than a lot of the Schiff era stories. And honestly, I find those older stories to be a lot more entertaining than a lot of the New Look.
But I do like Gotham Village. I’m wondering if this Gotham City neighborhood ever appeared again. I bet Jason Blood could have lived there.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 2, 2024 23:05:51 GMT -5
Glad you're headed beyond the Schiff Era, Hoosier X ! Yes, Gotham Village may have been the best thing about Detective 327, especially as depicted by Infantino. Bruce and Dick actually look like they are human beings for the first time in ages. Roland Meacham looks like Dexter Myles from the Flash, who always reminded me of Vitamin Flintheart.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 3, 2024 0:52:04 GMT -5
I just realized that “Gotham Gang Line-Up” is next. From Detective Comics #328. I first read that one a long time ago. Maybe around 1976. It’s reprinted in one of those 100-Page Super-Spectacular issues of Detective, and I picked it up at a used-book store for 25 cents.
It’s pretty dumb. I thought it was a real groaner when I was a kid. But it’s grown on me over the years. The whole Outsider saga.
#328 is the one where Alfred dies, crushed by a boulder while riding a motorcycle as he pushes Batman and Robin out of the way. It’s hilarious.
I’ll have to dig that out and read it tomorrow.
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Post by MDG on Jan 3, 2024 10:42:15 GMT -5
Glad you're headed beyond the Schiff Era, Hoosier X ! Yes, Gotham Village may have been the best thing about Detective 327, especially as depicted by Infantino. Bruce and Dick actually look like they are human beings for the first time in ages. Roland Meacham looks like Dexter Myles from the Flash, who always reminded me of Vitamin Flintheart. I've always loved this page--design and drawing is so different from what was happening in the "Bob Kane"-signed art
When I was reading this stuff in the 60s, I don't think I was conscious of the stylistic differences between the stories in Batman and Detective, though they are so obvious now--or even the way the covers of Batman (by Infantino) was so different from the insides (by Moldoff or whoever).
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 5, 2024 10:28:15 GMT -5
Last night, I read “Gotham Gang Line-Up” from Detective #328. In which Alfred dies!
Anybody reading the Batman comics who missed this issue probably wouldn’t have realized right away that something had happened to Alfred. He hadn’t been in the comics that much in recent years. Especially in Detective. A whole year might go by and Alfred might appear for one or two panels in two issues. He was in Batman a little more than that, especially when he was writing those future fictional histories where Bruce and Kathy got married and Dick became Batman.
When they brought Alfred back in The New Look, they seem to have made him a lot less frail. He’s more middle-aged than elderly. They have him driving around on a motorcycle and investigating the Tri-State Gang because Batman and Robin are busy. It’s hard to imagine 1963 Alfred on a motorcycle.
The Tri-State Gang sounds like a real gang, doesn’t it! I guess if it's gangs from three states, then the gangsters from the other two states are not from whichever state Gotham is in, so they vetoed names like the Orange Fedora Gang and didn’t want to all wear gorilla suits or whatever.
So anyway, Alfred is captured, and then Batman and Robin are captured, but all the good guys escape and all the major players are running around on a construction site, and the bad guys use a crane to try to drop a boulder on Batman and Robin, but Alfred on his motorcycle manages to push them out of the way somehow. And he is crushed by the boulder.
It was so unnecessary! I keep thinking of the panel (in Detective #224) where the bad guys hit Robin on the head with steam shovel and he only pretends to be unconscious because it’s part of Batman’s plan. That kid is indestructible. I’m sure the boulder would have just bounced off his head!
I guess Alfred didn’t know this. So because of this tragic miscommunication, Alfred is dead.
Bruce and Dick are mourning. But there’s a knock on the door. It’s Dick’s Aunt Harriet! She’s come to take care of Bruce and Dick because she knows they are like helpless baby mice without Alfred.
Will much hilarity ensue? I guess we’ll have to keep reading to find out.
And over in the Elongated Man back-up, Ralph is tracking down a stolen barn door and Sue has to stay in a crummy hotel and then she has to eat in a diner!
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 5, 2024 11:49:53 GMT -5
These reviews kill me, Hoosier X, with laughter, of course! Bruce and Dick are mourning. But there’s a knock on the door. It’s Dick’s Aunt Harriet! She’s come to take care of Bruce and Dick because she knows they are like helpless baby mice without Alfred.
Will much hilarity ensue? I guess we’ll have to keep reading to find out.She was dropped off at Wayne Manor by her doctor, Fred Wertham. Now we young Bat-fans could all sleep easy.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 5, 2024 12:13:23 GMT -5
These reviews kill me, Hoosier X, with laughter, of course! Bruce and Dick are mourning. But there’s a knock on the door. It’s Dick’s Aunt Harriet! She’s come to take care of Bruce and Dick because she knows they are like helpless baby mice without Alfred.
Will much hilarity ensue? I guess we’ll have to keep reading to find out.She was dropped off at Wayne Manor by her doctor, Fred Wertham. Now we young Bat-fans could all sleep easy. One has to wonder what Wertham thought of dormitories and the YMCA.
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Post by zaku on Jan 5, 2024 16:14:45 GMT -5
These reviews kill me, Hoosier X , with laughter, of course! Bruce and Dick are mourning. But there’s a knock on the door. It’s Dick’s Aunt Harriet! She’s come to take care of Bruce and Dick because she knows they are like helpless baby mice without Alfred.
Will much hilarity ensue? I guess we’ll have to keep reading to find out.She was dropped off at Wayne Manor by her doctor, Fred Wertham. Now we young Bat-fans could all sleep easy. One has to wonder what Wertham thought of dormitories and the YMCA. I think the simple thought of them terrorized him.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 5, 2024 18:19:23 GMT -5
These reviews kill me, Hoosier X , with laughter, of course! Bruce and Dick are mourning. But there’s a knock on the door. It’s Dick’s Aunt Harriet! She’s come to take care of Bruce and Dick because she knows they are like helpless baby mice without Alfred.
Will much hilarity ensue? I guess we’ll have to keep reading to find out.She was dropped off at Wayne Manor by her doctor, Fred Wertham. Now we young Bat-fans could all sleep easy. One has to wonder what Wertham thought of dormitories and the YMCA. My guess is he would have loved doing the research.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 6, 2024 5:56:28 GMT -5
I read the next few issues of Detective Comics. I’m up to #331, which is notable for a Batman/Elongated Man team-up, the first time Detective Comics featured a single, book-length story in its long run.
It’s also the second appearance of Aunt Harriet. She’s in about two panels, complaining about how Bruce and Dick never seem to eat the breakfast that she fixes.
I wondered how many times and with what frequency she had appeared in the Batman comics. So I used Mike’s Amazing World to count the issues she was in. She shows up 17 times between 1964 and 1968, and this includes one appearance in World’s Finest and one in Jimmy Olsen. If you were a casual Batman reader, you might get to 1966 without seeing her, and then you might be thinking, Who the hell is this? And what happened to Alfred?
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 6, 2024 13:18:11 GMT -5
I read the next few issues of Detective Comics. I’m up to #331, which is notable for a Batman/Elongated Man team-up, the first time Detective Comics featured a single, book-length story in its long run. It’s also the second appearance of Aunt Harriet. She’s in about two panels, complaining about how Bruce and Dick never seem to eat the breakfast that she fixes. I wondered how many times and with what frequency she had appeared in the Batman comics. So I used Mike’s Amazing World to count the issues she was in. She shows up 17 times between 1964 and 1968, and this includes one appearance in World’s Finest and one in Jimmy Olsen. If you were a casual Batman reader, you might get to 1966 without seeing her, and then you might be thinking, Who the hell is this? And what happened to Alfred?You knew Alfred was a shape-shifter, right?
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 7, 2024 11:52:30 GMT -5
Well. Here we are. I’ve been making fun of the New Look a lot, but I just read three issues in a row - #332, #333 and #334 - that I like a lot.
#332 is the Joker’s return to Detective Comics after not appearing in this title since #193! Almost twelve years! And what a return it is! (The Elongated Man story is great too! Sue Dibny is such a freak.)
#333 is the one with the elephants, and Gorla the Elephant Queen and the elephant graveyard and a great Infantino cover!
#334 is the first Outsider story. With the Grasshopper Gang! (I love the Grasshopper Gang. They are hilarious twin contortionists who dress up as grasshoppers and steal Bat-Mobiles and batarangs and Bat-Boats and Boy Wonders. (Which is actually kidnapping, fellas! You can get in trouble for that! But who can stay mad at these guys?)
I read #332 more than ten years ago, and I don’t remember being especially impressed. But this time through, it seems like a masterpiece! Pure, uncut 1960s super-hero crack! I hate discussing it because you have to see it! Just briefly explaining the plot is like trying to impress someone with the beauty of the Mona Lisa with only one square-inch of the canvas.
It’s just a basic Joker plot presented very matter-of-factedly, accompanied by the improved Bob Kane-style art that Sheldon Moldoff used on his Batman stories after the New Look started. It’s sublime. It doesn’t get more comic book-y than this.
For me, it’s a complete delight.
The Joker is committing crimes based on the oldest, corniest jokes you can imagine. Like “Why did the chicken cross the road?” and “Why does a fireman wear red suspenders?” And then he continues the theme for the joke by using a fire truck to rob an art museum or riding around on a giant, mechanical chicken. No one can stop him because they have been subjected to a powder that makes you laugh uncontrollably.
I’m thinking about reading it again when I get home. I can’t believe I had never before noticed how awesome this story is.
Stay tuned for comments on #333.
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