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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 29, 2015 20:41:21 GMT -5
Yes, his HEART was fine, but after Armor Wars II, his nervous system collapsed, and for a while he was wearing some sort of skin suit under the armor... I'm pretty sure that was the timing, anyway...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 22:17:37 GMT -5
Stark had a heart transplant in Iron Man #19 back in '69 so he no longer needed to wear the chestplate 24/7 to live. That was still the status quo in '86 when I quit following the character. Cei-U! I summon Dr. Jose Santini! And at one point in the 90s the armor was even controlled remotely (after Tony had been shot and paralyzed I think), so that bit from the movies was even established in the comics before hand too. As for Afghanistan replacing the 'Nam, I had thought it was Ellis in Extremis when I mentioned it originated in the comics, but wasn't certain if it was there or elsewhere in the post-Busiek run after Heroes Return. -M |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 30, 2015 5:48:24 GMT -5
Stark had a heart transplant in Iron Man #19 back in '69 so he no longer needed to wear the chestplate 24/7 to live. That was still the status quo in '86 when I quit following the character. Cei-U! I summon Dr. Jose Santini! And at one point in the 90s the armor was even controlled remotely (after Tony had been shot and paralyzed I think), so that bit from the movies was even established in the comics before hand too. Oh, sure, remote-controlled armors have been there forever; no argument there. It's making Tony dependent on the armor again that irks ne. Movie Tony getting hurt and needing the armor to survive is fine, because that's his classic origin. But Comic-book Tony had moved beyond that, despite a few attempts to reinstate the ancient status quo over the years (none of which had lasted). There was no real reason for comic-book Tony to be made into Movie Tony. Been there, done that. (At least, when it comes to @&$ Don Blake getting lame again, I can blame J.M. Straczynski and not the Thor movies). It's a good thing that for Stark the impact is minimal; much as I don't like it, returning to old ideas again and again is not something that came with the films. (Besides, Tony had the arc reactor removed from his chest at the end of Iron Man 3; does he still need some armor-based life-saving system the book?) But for characters like Nick Fury, it means we just bumped the original character (and made him the Watcher, for crying out loud, which to me is akin to making Hal Jordan the Spectre) to replace him with a new character who is doubly cursed: making us accept that he is THE real Nick Fury of the 2010s, and making us accept that he is NOT really a Samuel Jackson stand-in. The saddest thing about Nick Fury Jr. is that I would have been fine with his taking over SHIELD and his replacing his old man if he had been named Jack Fury and hadn't had the exact same eye patch. You know, if he had been anything else but an attempt to bring Movie Nick Fury into the comics. Continuity should not stiffle creativity, but it is also an asset more than a hindrance if used correctly. It is certainly something American comics used to a great effect starting in the early 60s, while Ruropean comics tended to be more continuity-neutral. There is something thrilling in reading issue #134 of a comic and knowing that there were more than a hundred episodes that preceded it, building a more-or-less coherent continuous story. That, I believe, is why many readers care about it. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Apr 30, 2015 8:34:05 GMT -5
And at one point in the 90s the armor was even controlled remotely (after Tony had been shot and paralyzed I think), so that bit from the movies was even established in the comics before hand too. Oh, sure, remote-controlled armors have been there forever; no argument there. It's making Tony dependent on the armor again that irks ne. Movie Tony getting hurt and needing the armor to survive is fine, because that's his classic origin. But Comic-book Tony had moved beyond that, despite a few attempts to reinstate the ancient status quo over the years (none of which had lasted). There was no real reason for comic-book Tony to be made into Movie Tony. Been there, done that. (At least, when it comes to @&$ Don Blake getting lame again, I can blame J.M. Straczynski and not the Thor movies). It's a good thing that for Stark the impact is minimal; much as I don't like it, returning to old ideas again and again is not something that came with the films. (Besides, Tony had the arc reactor removed from his chest at the end of Iron Man 3; does he still need some armor-based life-saving system the book?) But for characters like Nick Fury, it means we just bumped the original character (and made him the Watcher, for crying out loud, which to me is akin to making Hal Jordan the Spectre) to replace him with a new character who is doubly cursed: making us accept that he is THE real Nick Fury of the 2010s, and making us accept that he is NOT really a Samuel Jackson stand-in. The saddest thing about Nick Fury Jr. is that I would have been fine with his taking over SHIELD and his replacing his old man if he had been named Jack Fury and hadn't had the exact same eye patch. You know, if he had been anything else but an attempt to bring Movie Nick Fury into the comics. Continuity should not stiffle creativity, but it is also an asset more than a hindrance if used correctly. It is certainly something American comics used to a great effect starting in the early 60s, while Ruropean comics tended to be more continuity-neutral. There is something thrilling in reading issue #134 of a comic and knowing that there were more than a hundred episodes that preceded it, building a more-or-less coherent continuous story. That, I believe, is why many readers care about it. Not meaning to mock a disability, but is a one-eyed guy the best choice to be the Watcher? |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 30, 2015 11:06:55 GMT -5
Hey, I liked Hal as the Spectre.. I think it made alot of sense at the time. I didn't read Original Sin, but I kinda thought that was more a way to keep original Nick Fury around by on the sidelines, in case they want him.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Apr 30, 2015 11:21:27 GMT -5
Hey, I liked Hal as the Spectre.. I think it made alot of sense at the time. I didn't read Original Sin, but I kinda thought that was more a way to keep original Nick Fury around by on the sidelines, in case they want him. I tried to like Hal/Spectre. I bought every issue up until they had him hang out with Santa Claus. That was the final straw for me. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 30, 2015 17:34:23 GMT -5
Hey, I liked Hal as the Spectre.. I think it made alot of sense at the time. I didn't read Original Sin, but I kinda thought that was more a way to keep original Nick Fury around by on the sidelines, in case they want him. I tried to like Hal/Spectre. I bought every issue up until they had him hang out with Santa Claus. That was the final straw for me. Was Santa Claus Barry Allen at the time? (That woud have explained how he manages to deliver all the presents in only one night)! |
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Post by dupersuper on Apr 30, 2015 19:48:48 GMT -5
up until they had him hang out with Santa Claus. That sounds awesome... |
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Post by hondobrode on May 1, 2015 0:27:54 GMT -5
I too liked Hal serves his penance as the Spectre. Actually thought it was a great idea.
I didn't read it, but I dislike the sound of what they did to Fury, and yeah, I'm not crazy about Nick Jr, even tho Samuel Jackson is awesome on screen, I'd like MCU and MU to be similar but different, kind of like how Ultimate was similar but different.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 5, 2015 21:16:19 GMT -5
So, this month, we have: Dr. Strange, being totally fine, and not a soulless black priest at all, fending off an invasion from the Dark Dimension.. he even jokes around with Fitz afterwards. Then there's the fact that the FF are just fine (not in red), but Tony Stark is still Superior and in San Francisco. And that's MARK WAID writing. If he can't get things straight, it's over  Meanwhile, the invasion of the Franklin-verse is still going on...on top of everything else. |
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