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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 7:51:45 GMT -5
Sgt. Fury, of course. Capt. Savage Sgt. Rock Haunted Tank Enemy Ace Charlton's "Sgt. Harker & the Chicken" from Fightin' Marines ++-
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Post by DubipR on Jun 8, 2014 9:02:12 GMT -5
- GI Joe. As a kid I had a subscription to that and GI Joe Special Missions. - Blazing Combat - Weird War Tales - Unknown Solider (Ennis & Dysart) - Enemy Ace (Kanigher & Ennis)
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Post by thebeastofyuccaflats on Jun 9, 2014 14:04:33 GMT -5
Blazing Combat War Story Battlefields Fury MAX: My War Gone By The Other Side Darko Makan & Eddie Biukovic's "A Bullet For Me" and "Combat Zone" shorts Punisher MAX: Born
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Post by DubipR on Jun 9, 2014 14:39:38 GMT -5
Darko Makan & Eddie Biukovic's "A Bullet For Me" and "Combat Zone" shorts Oh, I forgot Makan & Biukovic's Grendel: Devils & Deaths
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jun 9, 2014 17:44:42 GMT -5
I've not read many war comics and the few I have read I didn't care for, but awhile back someone (maybe Reptisaurus) said Enemy Ace was his favorite series ever and that made me really want to read it. Favorite DC series ever, and the Kubert issues only. But, yes, that was me. I reread it annually-or-so and am never ever disappointed.
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Post by MWGallaher on Jun 10, 2014 10:25:42 GMT -5
I developed an appreciation for war comics late in my comics-reading life. In the 1970's, the only war comics I remember buying were Marvel's "War Is Hell" series (only a couple of issues), one Sgt. Fury reprint, one or two Enemy Ace reprints, a couple of issues of Men Of War (with Gravedigger) and...um...I really think that was it!
In the early-mid 80's, I bought a couple of Sgt. Rock annuals mainly for the Dan Spiegle art, and loved them, and then bought several issues of the Sgt. Rock Specials that reprinted highlights of that character's publication history. And I worshiped Evanier and Spiegle's work on Blackhawk. A few special projects in the 90's and 2000's tempted me: the Enemy Ace prestige format book, Garth Ennis's war comics at Marvel, some Sgt. Rock projects, but I still didn't consider myself truly appreciative of the genre.
In the last decade, though, DC's Archives and Showcase Presents have given me the chance to dive more deeply into at least the more popular features. The early Sgt. Rock stories impressed the heck out of me, and were page-for-page the most enjoyable reading of almost any of the Archives series. I was eager to read The War That Time Forgot, but was disappointed to find this was Kanigher at his most annoying. How the same guy could write such great Rock stories and such painful dinosaur stories mystifies me. Oh, the repetition, the lame "humor", the repetition, the miserable dialog, the anachronisms, and the repetition! Aargh!
Haunted Tank proved to be a lot more fun, getting a lot of mileage out of what should be a restrictive premise, and The Losers turned out to be a real classic, with stunning John Severin art, but my favorite of the DC war comics turned out to be Unknown Soldier. I'm not much of a Jack Sparling fan, but this might have been some of his best work, and the later issues made me appreciate the art of Gerry Talaoc, who I'd always resented for taking over Phantom Stranger from Jim Aparo. Having enjoyed most of these Essentials, I figured it was time to sample Marvel's Sgt. Fury, and got their Essential Volume 1. I love Jack Kirby's art, enjoy Dick Ayers' art, and Dan Bailey and I have agreed on almost everything over the years, so I figured this had to be good stuff.
Sorry to say, I found the 20-something issues from the early days of Fury to be pretty much unreadable. Literally unreadable. My eyes glazed over at the massive amounts of dialogue on the pages. By the time I made it through the thousand words of captions and balloons on one page, I'd start the next having forgotten what had been set up on the page I had just read. I found I could glean very little from just looking at the pictures, where not much ever seemed to be happening. Compared to contemporary war comics at DC, it was a tame book, with enemies getting knocked out off-panel (killed? Marvel wasn't about to admit to it!), mysterious logistics (one page we're in some facility getting a mission briefing, now in some jeep somewhere, going somewhere, now in some castle)...jeez, it was just all so tedious to me. Presumably the good stuff was all later, but this early stuff was Lee and Kirby at their worst doing a cramped, constrained, talky comic short on action and even shorter on any military verisimilitude.
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Post by paulie on Jun 10, 2014 10:47:41 GMT -5
I developed an appreciation for war comics late in my comics-reading life. In the 1970's, the only war comics I remember buying were Marvel's "War Is Hell" series (only a couple of issues), one Sgt. Fury reprint, one or two Enemy Ace reprints, a couple of issues of Men Of War (with Gravedigger) and...um...I really think that was it! In the early-mid 80's, I bought a couple of Sgt. Rock annuals mainly for the Dan Spiegle art, and loved them, and then bought several issues of the Sgt. Rock Specials that reprinted highlights of that character's publication history. And I worshiped Evanier and Spiegle's work on Blackhawk. A few special projects in the 90's and 2000's tempted me: the Enemy Ace prestige format book, Warren Ellis's war comics at Marvel, some Sgt. Rock projects, but I still didn't consider myself truly appreciative of the genre. In the last decade, though, DC's Archives and Showcase Presents have given me the chance to dive more deeply into at least the more popular features. The early Sgt. Rock stories impressed the heck out of me, and were page-for-page the most enjoyable reading of almost any of the Archives series. I was eager to read The War That Time Forgot, but was disappointed to find this was Kanigher at his most annoying. How the same guy could write such great Rock stories and such painful dinosaur stories mystifies me. Oh, the repetition, the lame "humor", the repetition, the miserable dialog, the anachronisms, and the repetition! Aargh! Haunted Tank proved to be a lot more fun, getting a lot of mileage out of what should be a restrictive premise, and The Losers turned out to be a real classic, with stunning John Severin art, but my favorite of the DC war comics turned out to be Unknown Soldier. I'm not much of a Jack Sparling fan, but this might have been some of his best work, and the later issues made me appreciate the art of Gerry Talaoc, who I'd always resented for taking over Phantom Stranger from Jim Aparo. Having enjoyed most of these Essentials, I figured it was time to sample Marvel's Sgt. Fury, and got their Essential Volume 1. I love Jack Kirby's art, enjoy Dick Ayers' art, and Dan Bailey and I have agreed on almost everything over the years, so I figured this had to be good stuff. Sorry to say, I found the 20-something issues from the early days of Fury to be pretty much unreadable. Literally unreadable. My eyes glazed over at the massive amounts of dialogue on the pages. By the time I made it through the thousand words of captions and balloons on one page, I'd start the next having forgotten what had been set up on the page I had just read. I found I could glean very little from just looking at the pictures, where not much ever seemed to be happening. Compared to contemporary war comics at DC, it was a tame book, with enemies getting knocked out off-panel (killed? Marvel wasn't about to admit to it!), mysterious logistics (one page we're in some facility getting a mission briefing, now in some jeep somewhere, going somewhere, now in some castle)...jeez, it was just all so tedious to me. Presumably the good stuff was all later, but this early stuff was Lee and Kirby at their worst doing a cramped, constrained, talky comic short on action and even shorter on any military verisimilitude. The Sarge is a tough slough until about issue 44 when John Severin steps into the inker/finisher role. Then it goes on a nice 40 issue purple patch.
There are some fun issues before that. The Death of Pamela Hawley sticks out and of course #13 with Cap and Bucky. Having said that... the nascent efforts of Roy Thomas are painful and tough to get through.
While I often find myself charmed by the lack of 'military verisimilitude' I'd be quick to agree that Sgt. Fury would not be to everyone's taste. I'd also say that while I would never be able to understand intellectually or emotionally why someone would not like Master of Kung Fu or Starlin's Magus Saga or Barry Smith Conan, I can totally get why people dislike Sgt. Fury.
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Post by paulie on Jun 10, 2014 10:50:42 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of the genre...
Sgt. Fury with Freidrich, Ayers and Severin would be at the top of my list.
Any war comics drawn by Russ Heath would also be right there.
The Garth Ennis work in the genre is outstanding. The Enemy Ace prestige format limited series (with art by Russ Heath!) is terrific. The War Stories he did under the Vertigo label are great too with some nicely drawn issues by Chris Weston, Dave Gibbons and David Lloyd.
Ennis needs to do a good Sgt. Rock story.
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Post by paulie on Jun 10, 2014 10:51:09 GMT -5
And add The 'Nam to my list!
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Post by Crimebuster on Jun 10, 2014 10:53:58 GMT -5
I was about to write the same thing Paulie just did regarding Sgt. Fury. For me, Sgt. Fury #1-18 are good - good energy, good fun and a couple real classics like #18. Then... well, while I have a soft spot for #24, you can otherwise pretty much just skip right to #44, when things get a lot better very quickly thanks to John Severin and Gary Friedrich.
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Post by ironchimp on Jun 10, 2014 14:46:34 GMT -5
George Pratt's Enemey Ace. His watercolours are so so nice but the script i found even better.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 10, 2014 15:07:06 GMT -5
George Pratt's Enemey Ace. His watercolours are so so nice but the script i found even better. That's a great story. DC should really reprint it.
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Post by benday-dot on Jun 10, 2014 19:52:29 GMT -5
I agree with most of the picks here. It's hard to go wrong with Blazing Combat, the Losers from Our Fighting Forces, and masterpieces like Toth's Burma Sky or the many fine Sgt. Rock stories from Our Army at War, and the Kurtzman work from Frontline Combat are classic.
Kubert's Enemy Ace is of course top notch, but I also want to extol the gorgeousness of John Severin's take on Enemy Ace from the Unknown Soldier run from the early 80's. This may be the best work of Severin's career. Severin does full art chores in this thing of beauty.
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Post by benday-dot on Jun 10, 2014 19:55:50 GMT -5
Another great work to be mentioned is Jacques Tardi's WWI graphic novel "It was the War of the Trenches. Not only does it look amazing, but it is a devastating masterpiece.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 20:00:14 GMT -5
War comics make up less than 1% of my collection clocking in at a whopping 30-35 or so copies....with Sgt Fury (only 12c-20c covers) being just over half of that...umm...sprinkling. So I guess that makes him mine, although Punisher's Born will count as my favourite set.
My brothers have tonnes of UK weekly war comics...I preferred Beano and Whizzer & Chips...
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