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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 3, 2018 13:50:43 GMT -5
Macron was lecturing Trump about Nationalism and now his country burns.
(In Church Lady voice): Do we just pose with 'the good book' when it suits us? "Look to the timber in thine own eye."  P.S.: found the term that triggered my names lecture earlier... it was 'bimbo barbie'... "well isn't that special?"  Dana Carvey did such a good Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton, we really need him for something these days! |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 3, 2018 14:16:14 GMT -5
Macron was lecturing Trump about Nationalism and now his country burns.
Another self-promoting prevaricator continues to try make a living off a bigger one, courtesy the Pravda of the Trump administration. Trump's pronouncement about nationalism was the exact opposite of a lesson in how to run a democratic republic. Let's not forget that Sebatian Gorka's ties to neo-Nazi groups in Hungary. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 3, 2018 14:50:28 GMT -5
I can sympathize with the French protestors, for all that I deplore the vandalism that always comes with such angry public manifestations. The gas tax is just one more thing that ordinary citizens are bogged down with, and it is becoming really difficult to make ends meet out there.
France is probably the most beautiful country on Earth... The Germans say that's where God goes on holiday. It also has a great culture and is usually a most pleasant land to visit and live in. But boy! Has bureaucracy gone insane in the hexagon! Already in old Astérix comics they were making fun of the myriad forms one has to fill to do anything, and how inefficient the state can be.
The goal initially was to make people's lives better, of course... but as E.F. Schumacher said, "small is beautiful". Too much government means people are choking under regulations, and too big a state means ever increasing taxes. Add to that laws meant to favour workers but cost a pretty penny (things like a month of paid holidays each summer or state-funded pensions) and unless you're sitting on a fortune in oil, you will have a hard time making things work. Plus there's the gallic temper... people go on strike all the time!
So now the state has to find money, which means it's not hiring new civil servants, leading to high unemployment among the young. It also means reducing the pensions, which pleases absolutely nobody. And on top of that, to try to meet greenhouse gas reduction targets, here comes this gas tax! Citizens may care about the environment (and they're the first to refuse genetically modified organisms on environmental grounds, or hormone-treated cattle) but this was just too much.
(Granted, sometimes the protests are due to powerful unions defending their turf... Today it's paramedics who made the headline by joining the people in the street; they protest a law that allows hospitals to select the lowest bidder for the transport of patients, something that threatens smaller companies. In America it seems strange, but unions in Europe have much more weight than in the U.S.)
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 3, 2018 16:49:13 GMT -5
Another self-promoting prevaricator continues to try make a living off a bigger one, courtesy the Pravda of the Trump administration. Trump's pronouncement about nationalism was the exact opposite of a lesson in how to run a democratic republic. Let's not forget that Sebatian Gorka's ties to neo-Nazi groups in Hungary. Yeah, here he is with his father's medals from an "anti-Communist" group. Read: crypto-Fascist, anti-Semitic group. he looks like he's going to a Prisoner of Zenda cosplay party. From TPM: "Gorka’s choice of dress, a black braided jacket known as a “bocskai” adorned with two medals, wouldn’t necessarily catch the eye of an American viewer. But some Hungarians who came across the interview interpreted the getup as a nod to the knightly order of merit Horthy founded in 1920, the Order of Vitéz. Right-wing Hungarian media in particular fixated on what it saw as Gorka’s callback to a resurgent native icon of the far-right. Hungarian scholars who spoke to TPM did not unanimously agree that the medal he wore on inauguration night could definitively be identified with Horthy’s Order of Vitéz. But they concurred that Gorka’s regalia is popular today among Hungary’s nationalist conservatives."  Required criteria to be one of the (male) sycophantic Trumpeteers: threatened masculinity and chronic insecurity. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 3, 2018 19:22:54 GMT -5
Yeah, here he is with his father's medals from an "anti-Communist" group. Read: crypto-Fascist, anti-Semitic group. he looks like he's going to a Prisoner of Zenda cosplay party. Required criteria to be one of the (male) sycophantic Trumpeteers: threatened masculinity and chronic insecurity. *yawn*
He wasn't run out of town by the Jerusalem Post when they questioned him on this...or maybe someone will feel the need to send them tin-foil hats too.
The Forward did, one of many. forward.com/fast-forward/366313/gorka-says-he-opposes-anti-semitism-but-does-not-address-affiliation-with-n/ And really, "yawn"? Anti-Semitism is that boring? |
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 3, 2018 19:39:54 GMT -5
There are a lot of Trump critics here at CCF who have been very respectful to you and they have asked respectful and legitimate questions. It's your choice not to respond to them.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 3, 2018 20:24:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 20:38:52 GMT -5
yep. he's clearly attempting to influence Roger Stone.
anything prior that has been "iffy" is a non-issue now, as his tweets today clearly are witness tampering.
now let's see what comes of it.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 3, 2018 20:49:04 GMT -5
And really, "yawn"? Anti-Semitism is that boring?
The monotonous vocal drone about sycophantic Trumpeteers is...
It's the sound of truth. |
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Post by impulse on Dec 3, 2018 22:16:55 GMT -5
And really, "yawn"? Anti-Semitism is that boring? The monotonous vocal drone about sycophantic Trumpeteers is... Well, you see, we keep asking for the positive stories so we have something else to talk about to add some variety, but alas, you either cannot or will not provide. Meanwhile, we are overflowing in the flood of embarrassing or heinous stuff he and his administration say and do, so it's not a lack of willingness on our part. We just have to work with what we've got. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 22:24:37 GMT -5
Are there people in the U.S. who actually do want to destroy the other party/side? What do you have with a one party state? You'd think the basics of what the U.S. of A. is would mitigate against the kind of one note demonization rhetoric of the most motivated fanatics. Do we really need to be reminded and educated about something so basic as needing more than one political party? There are anti-monopoly laws in business that almost everyone sees as a good thing. Perhaps, just in case, someone will need to put in something to apply that principle to politics for the future? Excellent question. Based on some of the posts I have read on here that seems to be the ideal goal... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 22:32:06 GMT -5
I can sympathize with the French protestors, for all that I deplore the vandalism that always comes with such angry public manifestations. The gas tax is just one more thing that ordinary citizens are bogged down with, and it is becoming really difficult to make ends meet out there. France is probably the most beautiful country on Earth... The Germans say that's where God goes on holiday. It also has a great culture and is usually a most pleasant land to visit and live in. But boy! Has bureaucracy gone insane in the hexagon! Already in old Astérix comics they were making fun of the myriad forms one has to fill to do anything, and how inefficient the state can be. The goal initially was to make people's lives better, of course... but as E.F. Schumacher said, "small is beautiful". Too much government means people are choking under regulations, and too big a state means ever increasing taxes. Add to that laws meant to favour workers but cost a pretty penny (things like a month of paid holidays each summer or state-funded pensions) and unless you're sitting on a fortune in oil, you will have a hard time making things work. Plus there's the gallic temper... people go on strike all the time! So now the state has to find money, which means it's not hiring new civil servants, leading to high unemployment among the young. It also means reducing the pensions, which pleases absolutely nobody. And on top of that, to try to meet greenhouse gas reduction targets, here comes this gas tax! Citizens may care about the environment (and they're the first to refuse genetically modified organisms on environmental grounds, or hormone-treated cattle) but this was just too much. (Granted, sometimes the protests are due to powerful unions defending their turf... Today it's paramedics who made the headline by joining the people in the street; they protest a law that allows hospitals to select the lowest bidder for the transport of patients, something that threatens smaller companies. In America it seems strange, but unions in Europe have much more weight than in the U.S.) Excellent post IMO. You voiced exactly why we should keep the government out of our day to day affairs as much as possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 22:49:12 GMT -5
Um. I don't wish to speak ill of the dead and all that, but let's ease up on the deification of George H.W. Bush, the Great Accommodater. Bush was no angel. None of us are "angels". We all have flaws and try to do the best we can. |
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Post by impulse on Dec 4, 2018 10:31:36 GMT -5
Excellent question. Based on some of the posts I have read on here that seems to be the ideal goal... I don't think anyone here is seriously advocating for doing away with a reasonable conservative party/representation altogether, but the current elected Republican party is neither reasonable nor conservative. Excellent post IMO. You voiced exactly why we should keep the government out of our day to day affairs as much as possible. I agree to a point with two caveats; the country should take basic care of its people, and that human history has demonstrated without fail that you need enough regulation and bite to back it up to keep people honest or they will screw over anyone possible for their own personal gain. If not every individual, someone will rise to fill that power void if not managed. Making sure people are not dying of treatable diseases or starving to death due to poverty? Keeping roads paved? Police, fire, etc? Part of taking care of people. Bothering people about what they eat, drink, smoke, who they love, marry, etc? Get out of their houses and bedrooms. None of us are "angels". We all have flaws and try to do the best we can. None of us are angels, but when you put yourself out there to run for and then become the most powerful elected official of the most powerful nation in the history of Earth to date, you are held to a higher standard and voluntarily putting yourself under a microscope. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 4, 2018 10:42:23 GMT -5
Excellent post IMO. You voiced exactly why we should keep the government out of our day to day affairs as much as possible. I agree to a point with two caveats; the country should take basic care of its people, and that human history has demonstrated without fail that you need enough regulation and bite to back it up to keep people honest or they will screw over anyone possible for their own personal gain. If not every individual, someone will rise to fill that power void if not managed. Making sure people are not dying of treatable diseases or starving to death due to poverty? Keeping roads paved? Police, fire, etc? Part of taking care of people. Bothering people about what they eat, drink, smoke, who they love, marry, etc? Get out of their houses and bedrooms. Are you arguing against the existence of the FDA, or are you speaking more about the New York-style limits on sizes of drinks or portions of french fries with Happy Meals? |
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