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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 17, 2016 12:52:52 GMT -5
Here's what Snopes has to say about the story that Hillary laughed at the rape victim: Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist. Or anyone can just accept Trump's version of the story, much repeated by the conservative media.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:04:00 GMT -5
I'm not real clear on why it's so shocking that Obama would be critical of Hillary when she was his opponent in the 2008 primary. Perhaps because the part "Hillary Clinton, she'll say anything, and change nothing" still resonates 8 years later. But maybe not with you, or others in this thread who are clearly in her corner.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 17, 2016 13:06:43 GMT -5
Here's Snopes on Benghazi. I know that most of us here already know this. But I'm putting up a few links just in case some of Hillary's opponents are curious about why some of us are not particularly impressed by Donald Trump and his apologists.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 17, 2016 13:10:18 GMT -5
I'm not real clear on why it's so shocking that Obama would be critical of Hillary when she was his opponent in the 2008 primary. Perhaps because the part "Hillary Clinton, she'll say anything, and change nothing" still resonates 8 years later. But maybe not with you, or others in this thread who are clearly in her corner. I admit, I'm totally for Hillary. And I get more and more enthusiastic every time Trump has one of his little fits where he calls his opponents stupid three or four times without showing any evidence that he even begins to understand any of the facts on any issue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:15:57 GMT -5
I admit, I'm totally for Hillary. Can you help me get some of her BleachBit? I want to delete some emails. By the way, someone clearly has been hacking her server. Now what happens when she wins and a foreign power blackmails her with something juicy that our girl thought she deleted? If I'm still around, I just might tell you "I told you so."
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 17, 2016 13:20:13 GMT -5
I'm not real clear on why it's so shocking that Obama would be critical of Hillary when she was his opponent in the 2008 primary. Perhaps because the part "Hillary Clinton, she'll say anything, and change nothing" still resonates 8 years later. But maybe not with you, or others in this thread who are clearly in her corner. That certainly lines up with my views on her...but even that is far better to than Trump. If she were running against just about any other conservative politician I'd probably seriously consider voting for them over her despite being liberal.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 17, 2016 13:20:22 GMT -5
FLASHBACK: When millions of lost Bush White House emails (from private accounts) triggered a media shrug. The so-called Liberal Media decided it was important only after it happened to a Democrat.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 17, 2016 13:22:09 GMT -5
She's still under 50%...for someone who's been around for some 30 years that's not a ringing endorsement. Actually, I'm surprised that someone who's been in politics for so long manages to score so high! Most politicians have a sharp upward popularity curve when they hit their stride and then go down and down for the rest of their career. Even Churchill got booted out after winning WWII! Now it's true, Hillary isn't very popular. I'm sure a "normal" Republican candidate (say, McCain) would have a pretty good chance of trouncing her at the polls. However, she's demonstrated she has the chops for the job and she has one great, great quality in this election: she's not Donald Trump. I trust her to handle the ship of state with competence, if nothing else. Trump just hasn't demonstrated any leadership quality, and his oft-repeated populist speeches lambasting Latinos, Blacks, Women, Liberals, Transnational accords and now even the very American electoral system make him a very scary candidate indeed. Far from a unifier, he's the personification of the divisive leader: he's even managed to cause a rift within his own party, mere weeks before the election. Bush was awful, but I fear Trump would be even worse. IRT the line I have bolded, in what way has she demonstrated she has "the chops" for the job? That's a nebulous statement, much like "the skeevies", which Prince Hal called out another poster for using that term. Mind you, I'm not a Trump supporter in any way, shape, or form, but I don't see a whole lot on her ledger that actually points to her being qualified to be POTUS other than she is miles better than the little orange goblin.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 17, 2016 13:33:52 GMT -5
One of the things I like about the Democrats is that they don't politicize national tragedies like embassy attacks. Thirteen Benghazis that occurred on Bush's watch without a peep from Fox NewsThe Democrats treated these attacks like the tragedies they were. The Republicans haven't missed a chance to exploit Benghazi in any way possible. They licked their lips and rubbed their hands and cooed: "Oh! We can use this!" Disgusting.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 17, 2016 13:37:27 GMT -5
Bring the facts, not the feelings. There ain't no Santa, the earth revolves around the sun, and elections ain't about choosing your Savior. Is Hellary your saviour? Some nice points here. Of course, you can then say the New York Post is anti-Hillary...but then, I can't find an ounce of fairplay in the New York Times either. In order; 1) Too ridiculous to answer. And again, "Hellary?" I still don't know what it is about her you don't care for. 2) No nice points there. I'm using "nice" in one of its oldest meanings, "precise." Post, Schmost, it's warm beer no matter who printed it. Politicians have both public and private views? Shocking! Again, if this is what a potential voter is shocked by, said potential voter needs a big dish of "Grow up!" 3) I can say that because it is, but the Times has done no favors for HRC.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 17, 2016 13:42:15 GMT -5
Actually, I'm surprised that someone who's been in politics for so long manages to score so high! Most politicians have a sharp upward popularity curve when they hit their stride and then go down and down for the rest of their career. Even Churchill got booted out after winning WWII! Now it's true, Hillary isn't very popular. I'm sure a "normal" Republican candidate (say, McCain) would have a pretty good chance of trouncing her at the polls. However, she's demonstrated she has the chops for the job and she has one great, great quality in this election: she's not Donald Trump. I trust her to handle the ship of state with competence, if nothing else. Trump just hasn't demonstrated any leadership quality, and his oft-repeated populist speeches lambasting Latinos, Blacks, Women, Liberals, Transnational accords and now even the very American electoral system make him a very scary candidate indeed. Far from a unifier, he's the personification of the divisive leader: he's even managed to cause a rift within his own party, mere weeks before the election. Bush was awful, but I fear Trump would be even worse. IRT the line I have bolded, in what way has she demonstrated she has "the chops" for the job? That's a nebulous statement, much like "the skeevies", which Prince Hal called out another poster for using that term. Mind you, I'm not a Trump supporter in any way, shape, or form, but I don't see a whole lot on her ledger that actually points to her being qualified to be POTUS other than she is miles better than the little orange goblin. Ha! Ha! don't worry, Captain, I never took you for a Trump supporter! Clinton was secretary of state for four years, and in a particularly difficult period: the Bush administration had bequeathed its successor two military quagmires, shaking alliances and an international reputation in tatters. I disagreed with many of the politics Clinton put forward during her tenure (just as I had with Condoleeza Rice's), but she did have a firm hand on the rudder and handled her department competently, if not always with the desired results. I agree that being secretary of state and being president are two different things, but her proven record is at least encouraging. I could have seen Rice as president as well, (even though I disagreed much more with her vision of the world) for the same reasons. I hated the idea of imposing American values to other countries as if (and I quote Rice herself) they were "universal values", but I can't argue that she was very competent at getting things done. Clinton was furthermore very active during her husband's presidency when she tried to push forward the idea of universal health coverage. That project went down in flames, but it showed that her heart was in the right place and that she could work hard for a project she knew was politically costly but that she believed was good for the American people. I can't predict what kind of a president she'd be; for my money, Obama will be a very tough act to follow. But I know she won't do things like build silly walls, hunt down brown people or decide to indiscriminately bomb ISIS-held territories.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 17, 2016 13:59:04 GMT -5
I love John Oliver's Bill Clinton imitation. It's terrible but hilarious.
Thanks for that video, Wes. It simplifies some complex issues.
Anybody who wants to attack Hillary on the emails with some specific charges instead of just vague sound-bites and smug quips should start from here.
(I do have one quibble: They were a little mean to Tim Tebow.)
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 17, 2016 14:03:25 GMT -5
I can't predict what kind of a president she'd be; for my money, Obama will be a very tough act to follow. But I know she won't do things like build silly walls, hunt down brown people or decide to indiscriminately bomb ISIS-held territories. Or unexpectedly walk into the dressing room where teenage girls are dressing or undressing because it's one of the perks of owning a beauty pageant.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 17, 2016 14:08:38 GMT -5
I can't predict what kind of a president she'd be; for my money, Obama will be a very tough act to follow. But I know she won't do things like build silly walls, hunt down brown people or decide to indiscriminately bomb ISIS-held territories. Or unexpectedly walk into the dressing room where teenage girls are dressing or undressing because it's one of the perks of owning a beauty pageant. As Mel Brooks would say, " it's good to be the king". (Although to be fair, Bill Clinton probably thought the same...)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 14:13:37 GMT -5
In order; 1) Too ridiculous to answer. And again, "Hellary?" I still don't know what it is about her you don't care for. 2) No nice points there. I'm using "nice" in one of its oldest meanings, "precise." Post, Schmost, it's warm beer no matter who printed it. Politicians have both public and private views? Shocking! Again, if this is what a potential voter is shocked by, said potential voter needs a big dish of "Grow up!" 3) I can say that because it is, but the Times has done no favors for HRC. Considering that you never seem to embrace anything anti-Hillary without rubbishing it, I don't expect you to appreciate the article. This is how you described Trump not too long ago. Trump is an empty vessel, a whitened sepulchre full of rotting bones, a confraglation fed by ignorance and resentment.
Buried in your torrential flood of antipathy toward Donald Trump, supposedly the most divisive and disliked presidential candidate in American history according to many in this thread, is this half-remembered fact - Hillary Clinton isn’t particularly well liked either. Primarily because she has a 30 year political history pock-marked with scandals, lies, questions about those emails, Wall Street, the Clinton Foundation and its donors. What is her crowning glory as Sec of State? Is there anything? All there for the taking if you're a spin doctor who wants to plaster her many sores... Her own political leader said she will say anything to get elected. And it's sad after 8 years, she was the best the democrats had to offer. Even if those emails revealed Bernie was screwed and the chairwoman had to resign over it. Enjoy your candidate.
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