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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 21, 2016 14:34:09 GMT -5
I'm writing this without research because I'm lazy and you can do the work for me if you're interested. My recollection on the Nixon-McGovern campaign was that he was always trailing but we who supported him thought things would break our way. The big death-blow was when McGovern's running mate, Thomas Eagleton was outed for having a history of mental health issues and electro-shock treatment. He was well regarded as a Senator, but the Republicans jumped all over the revelation as a sign of how McGovern's judgement was flawed.
McGovern vowed to stand behind his choice but the publicity surrounding it became the biggest issue of the campaign . So McGovern reluctantly replaced him on the ticket with R.Sargent Shriver. Then Repubs attacked McGovern for flip-flopping. McGovern was in a no-win situation. The mood at his campaign office changed drastically from that affair through election day
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 21, 2016 15:15:18 GMT -5
I don't really see how Al Gore is a complete buffoon. From where I sit, that's another one of those media narratives I was talking about, a media narrative continually supported by many outlets that are frequently called the Liberal Media for no reason that I can see.
Remember when he said he invented the Internet? Perhaps I should rephrase that to "Remember when the so-called Liberal Media said that he said that he invented the Internet?"
No honest, decent person could watch that video and think that he was saying he invented the Internet. I think the conservatives attacked that line because it served a dual purpose. It wasn't just an attack on Gore. It also dismissed the point he was making about the government's role in creating something like the Internet.
I certainly remember a lot of gibberish hurled at Gore by his opponents. And nearly all of it was disgustingly dishonest. I remember one columnist calling gore a liar because Gore had said something like "When I was sixteen, I worked on my grandpa's farm over the summer" and then later Gore had said something like "When I was sixteen, I went to France over the summer." And the columnist, without doing a lick of research to find out if Gore had actually had a summer where he spent six weeks on a farm and six weeks in France, called him a liar and said it was typical Gore to tell crazy lies like that.
And that's what all the criticism about Gore was like. Every bit of it. Gore would get one detail wrong about something that happened thirty and forty years ago, and the so-called Liberal Media would call him a liar.
I don't think the South Park episodes left a mark at all because they were just too stupid. And those episodes look more and more stupid as global warming looks less like ManBearPig and more like a real-life horrifying disaster.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 21, 2016 17:11:45 GMT -5
"The Liberal Media" has become a prevalent term for any news outlet that isn't quite as far right as FOX News and occasionally shows a little restraint before jumping in with both barrels to support every lying, deceptive, exaggerated narrative being pushed by the conservative noise machine.
And they have to say "Liberal Media" every time all the time so that it becomes implanted in your mind. If you are allowed to use your own eyes and ears, you might come to a different conclusion.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 21, 2016 17:28:33 GMT -5
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 21, 2016 17:33:24 GMT -5
On the lighter side of the latest O'Keefe bananashenanigans, Wonkette weighs in. O'Keefe's latest dumb videos will send Hillary to ELECTION JAIL, you bet.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 21, 2016 18:59:13 GMT -5
Just for the record, I don't think Gore is a buffoon JUST for the I invented the internet thing. His championing of green issues while he flies in a private jet to speak about carbon footprints, for instance, drives me nuts. And did he need a movie?
Also his wife and her censorship nonsense was super scary.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 21, 2016 19:18:31 GMT -5
Just for the record, I don't think Gore is a buffoon JUST for the I invented the internet thing. His championing of green issues while he flies in a private jet to speak about carbon footprints, for instance, drives me nuts. And did he need a movie? Also his wife and her censorship nonsense was super scary. Oh yeah, I recall Tipper Gore's campaign to censor music. Frank Zappa was never so riled up against anyone as her.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 21, 2016 19:57:55 GMT -5
Just for the record, I don't think Gore is a buffoon JUST for the I invented the internet thing. His championing of green issues while he flies in a private jet to speak about carbon footprints, for instance, drives me nuts. And did he need a movie? Also his wife and her censorship nonsense was super scary. Well, as long as you have a good reason.
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Post by berkley on Oct 22, 2016 0:10:03 GMT -5
I watched the Democratic Party debates back in the late 80s - the one where Dukakis was eventually chosen, I believe? - and I remember being impressed by Gore's intelligence and grasp of details, especially when fielding questions. He was far and away the best prepared and most effective speaker of the group - in fact one of the best I've ever seen, IMO. I didn't know anything about him at the time, not having made the connection with Tipper Gore's censorship campaign. I still think he was probably the best US presidential candidate I've seen in my lifetime, though I've always had a soft spot for Carter, for all his flaws and errors in judgement and just plain bad luck (e.g. Iran hostage crisis).
The best, that is, within the narrow confines of what's permissible in real life politics: I have no illusions about how far he would be from my own region of the political spectrum.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 22, 2016 0:45:55 GMT -5
Donald Trump at the Al Smith Dinner was like a week of Mallard Fillmore comics. He remembered the talking points but forgot to include the jokes.
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Post by Gene on Oct 22, 2016 21:47:06 GMT -5
Huh. Why is this not surprising?
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 23, 2016 0:07:24 GMT -5
Trump is running for president, and has effectively hijacked and sabotaged the GOP. He'll take it a step further after losing by pulling his followers away from the GOP establishing his own "Trump" movement / party.
The next factor is that his media network, whether he buys one or partners with someone, will be the new "Fox" focusing on the Trump movement and tearing down the Dems & GOP.
That's been his real plan all along.
If he becomes president, then great. If he doesn't, then this is what happens.
Trump wins either way.
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Post by Spike-X on Oct 23, 2016 2:24:34 GMT -5
Considering how much he's poisoned his own brand in the last few months, I can't see it being a success.
But I've been wrong before. Like when I said, "C'mon, there's no way the Republican Party are so far gone that they'll actually pick that braying jackass as their candidate." And now here we are.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 23, 2016 2:27:25 GMT -5
I actually think some of the other Republican candidates are even worse then Trump, Ted Cruz for instance, because they would have had more support within the main party for their abhorrent policies
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 23, 2016 9:49:21 GMT -5
I actually think some of the other Republican candidates are even worse then Trump, Ted Cruz for instance, because they would have had more support within the main party for their abhorrent policies I fully agree. Cruz would actually have the intelligence and competence to bring about his agenda, heinous as it can be. Trump would probably just screw things up badly. It's like a choice between Emperor Palpatine and Daffy Duck.
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