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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 23, 2016 10:56:00 GMT -5
I actually think some of the other Republican candidates are even worse then Trump, Ted Cruz for instance, because they would have had more support within the main party for their abhorrent policies I thought that through the whole primary process. The only real difference between Trump and the others was that Trump didn't have the control necessary to keep from saying out loud and in clear terms what the GOP is really about. He didn't use the code words and he didn't try to minimize how extreme the GOP is. And it was just what the deplorables wanted to hear!
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 23, 2016 16:08:08 GMT -5
Oh noes! I said "deplorables"!
Cue the people who say they hate political correctness and yet are always ready to be politically correct when it suits their agenda and they know their hypocrisy will probably not be noted by anybody in the so-called Liberal Media.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 23, 2016 16:40:34 GMT -5
Oh noes! I said "deplorables"! Cue the people who say they hate political correctness and yet are always ready to be politically correct when it suits their agenda and they know their hypocrisy will probably not be noted by anybody in the so-called Liberal Media. You're going to hurt their poor lil feelers. Stop bullying. They can dish it out. But they absolutely cannot take it.
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Post by Spike-X on Oct 23, 2016 19:15:56 GMT -5
Donald Trump at the Al Smith Dinner was like a week of Mallard Fillmore comics. He remembered the talking points but forgot to include the jokes. He seems to be using the typical conservative definition of humour - just be really nasty to anyone you don't like. Hey, the guys at the golf club always laugh when I say this stuff!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 23, 2016 19:24:09 GMT -5
Donald Trump at the Al Smith Dinner was like a week of Mallard Fillmore comics. He remembered the talking points but forgot to include the jokes. He seems to be using the typical conservative definition of humour - just be really nasty to anyone you don't like. Hey, the guys at the golf club always laugh when I say this stuff! That's certainly the case with his p****- grabbing comments. Surely people who want to change the political industry that has Wasington in a stranglehold can see that this clown is not the solution.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 24, 2016 8:27:29 GMT -5
He seems to be using the typical conservative definition of humour - just be really nasty to anyone you don't like. Hey, the guys at the golf club always laugh when I say this stuff! Did anyone else have the misfortune of watching Ann Coulter at the Robe Lowe roast? I have a friend who seldom runs into a GOP talking point he won't swallow whole, and he watched it. He texted me and said she was awful. If my friend notices that it's bad, then its bad!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 24, 2016 19:16:27 GMT -5
I kinda liked Mike Pence, but this recent comment made me shake my head, "It's time to reach out to all our Republican and conservative friends. It's time to come home." I mean, I get why he sad it, he's worried that the support from the ticket's baseline audience is eroding away and he wants to shore it up but for a guy who's been been touting the power of a political outsider fixing the party politics of Washington the message just doesn't jive. You can't say on one hand that party politics are bad and then appeal to the worst part of party politics(party over self) on the other. I realize it could be suicide to ape Arnold Schwarzenegger and say "Conscious and country over party loyalty." but it would be a more genuine message and probably actually win him and Trump a little more credence from the voters.
Also, despite his own personal problems, who woulda thought we'd come to a day when Arnold made a profound political message?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 25, 2016 10:25:16 GMT -5
I kinda liked Mike Pence, but this recent comment made me shake my head, "It's time to reach out to all our Republican and conservative friends. It's time to come home." I mean, I get why he sad it, he's worried that the support from the ticket's baseline audience is eroding away and he wants to shore it up but for a guy who's been been touting the power of a political outsider fixing the party politics of Washington the message just doesn't jive. You can't say on one hand that party politics are bad and then appeal to the worst part of party politics(party over self) on the other. I realize it could be suicide to ape Arnold Schwarzenegger and say "Conscious and country over party loyalty." but it would be a more genuine message and probably actually win him and Trump a little more credence from the voters. Also, despite his own personal problems, who woulda thought we'd come to a day when Arnold made a profound political message? Pence is pretty radically Religious Right. In some ways I think he's more dangerous than Trump, who I honestly think is pandering to get votes on most "social" issues. Pence is Ted Cruz without being quite as dickish in his demeanor and approach.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 25, 2016 10:35:05 GMT -5
I kinda liked Mike Pence, but this recent comment made me shake my head, "It's time to reach out to all our Republican and conservative friends. It's time to come home." I mean, I get why he sad it, he's worried that the support from the ticket's baseline audience is eroding away and he wants to shore it up but for a guy who's been been touting the power of a political outsider fixing the party politics of Washington the message just doesn't jive. You can't say on one hand that party politics are bad and then appeal to the worst part of party politics(party over self) on the other. I realize it could be suicide to ape Arnold Schwarzenegger and say "Conscious and country over party loyalty." but it would be a more genuine message and probably actually win him and Trump a little more credence from the voters. Also, despite his own personal problems, who woulda thought we'd come to a day when Arnold made a profound political message? Pence is pretty radically Religious Right. In some ways I think he's more dangerous than Trump, who I honestly think is pandering to get votes on most "social" issues. Pence is Ted Cruz without being quite as dickish in his demeanor and approach. So true. If Pence is the next Great White-Haired Hope for the Republicans, they have learned nothing from this current debacle except that maybe you can get better traction if you hide your reactionary fundamentalism beneath a deejay-voice and gallons of used-car-salesman unctuousness. Just another right-wing extremist (like Ryan) who figures he can fool the rubes if he just keeps acting like your upstanding, God-fearing neighbor down the block. Execrable.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 25, 2016 12:27:13 GMT -5
As expected based on his past endeavors, the latest James O'Keefe scam has started unraveling: Project Veritas "liberal agitator" turns out to have been working with Breitbart to nominate Trump. But he did his job. The latest GOP talking point is out there. The fact that it's falling apart and will soon be totally discredited won't stop Trump and his supporters from repeating the talking point it generated. You might wonder why the so-called Clinton News Network would report on this video before it's been vetted. But not when you remember that the idea that CNN is the "Clinton News Network" is a clumsy GOP talking point that is completely laughable for people who actually watch CNN.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 25, 2016 12:50:54 GMT -5
As expected based on his past endeavors, the latest James O'Keefe scam has stated unraveling: Project Veritas "liberal agitator" turns out to have been working with Breitbart to nominate TrumpBut he did his job. The latest GOP talking point is out there. The fact that it's falling apart and will soon be totally discredited won't stop Trump and his supporters from repeating the talking point it generated. You might wonder why the so-called Clinton News Network would report on this video before it's been vetted. But not when you remember that the idea that CNN is the "Clinton News Network" is a clumsy GOP talking point that is completely laughable for people who actually watch CNN. I think I've mentioned this before, but much of this campaign was prefigured rather well in Frank Capra's flawed but perceptive 1941 film, Meet John Doe.Highly recommended. (I'm sure you know it well, Hoosier.)
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 25, 2016 12:55:23 GMT -5
As expected based on his past endeavors, the latest James O'Keefe scam has stated unraveling: Project Veritas "liberal agitator" turns out to have been working with Breitbart to nominate TrumpBut he did his job. The latest GOP talking point is out there. The fact that it's falling apart and will soon be totally discredited won't stop Trump and his supporters from repeating the talking point it generated. You might wonder why the so-called Clinton News Network would report on this video before it's been vetted. But not when you remember that the idea that CNN is the "Clinton News Network" is a clumsy GOP talking point that is completely laughable for people who actually watch CNN. Of course it's laughable unless you just take your talking-points directly from Trump or Brietbart without actually thinking about them or doing a modicum of research. Clinton has gotten incredibly negative media coverage for decades. And CNN has a long history of doing stuff like this. The push is to feed the 24-hour a day news cycle and try to get eyes on the tube. Vetting and investigating stories has been secondary for decades.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 25, 2016 13:31:32 GMT -5
As expected based on his past endeavors, the latest James O'Keefe scam has stated unraveling: Project Veritas "liberal agitator" turns out to have been working with Breitbart to nominate TrumpBut he did his job. The latest GOP talking point is out there. The fact that it's falling apart and will soon be totally discredited won't stop Trump and his supporters from repeating the talking point it generated. You might wonder why the so-called Clinton News Network would report on this video before it's been vetted. But not when you remember that the idea that CNN is the "Clinton News Network" is a clumsy GOP talking point that is completely laughable for people who actually watch CNN. I think I've mentioned this before, but much of this campaign was prefigured rather well in Frank Capra's flawed but perceptive 1941 film, Meet John Doe.Highly recommended. (I'm sure you know it well, Hoosier.) The one I keep thinking of is A Face in the Crowd (1957). But Trump has already had his "Lonesome Rhodes downfall" moment three or four times in the last few weeks, with only a small effect on his popularity. Writer Budd Sculberg really under-estimated the gullibility of the rubes. (Or maybe the current Trump followers of today are just a lot stupider than the typical rubes of 1957.)
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 25, 2016 13:40:15 GMT -5
One of my Facebook friends (somebody I knew in high school) is a big Trump fan, and he loves the phrase "CNN soundbites". As in, "You hate Donald Trump because you're a wishy-washy liberal who only knows about Trump from CNN soundbites." He's never once said anything that indicates that he's ever actually watched CNN. When I posted the article about the O'Keefe scam falling apart, I put the CNN video examining it rather uncritically in a comment and said "Here's the CNN soundbite."
It's a dumb phrase, but it's not as dumb as "Clinton News Network."
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 25, 2016 13:55:09 GMT -5
I think I've mentioned this before, but much of this campaign was prefigured rather well in Frank Capra's flawed but perceptive 1941 film, Meet John Doe.Highly recommended. (I'm sure you know it well, Hoosier.) The one I keep thinking of is A Face in the Crowd (1957). But Trump has already had his "Lonesome Rhodes downfall" moment three or four times in the last few weeks, with only a small effect on his popularity. Writer Budd Sculberg really under-estimated the gullibility of the rubes. (Or maybe the current Trump followers of today are just a lot stupider than the typical rubes of 1957.) Yes, indeed. Schulberg may have overestimated their stupidity. Or he knew how willfully ignorant most people are, but had to come up with a neat, happy ending for the movie. And you're right, Trump continues to reset the boundaries of propriety. Just when you think he's gone too far, his followers move the goal line. He has plenty of opportunity left to revulse the rest of us while still being worshipped by the "base." (Talk about your all-time perfect puns...) I bet Sorkin and the Newsroom crew wish they could have been around for this season.
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