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Post by Spike-X on Oct 26, 2016 0:08:49 GMT -5
I kinda liked Mike Pence, but this recent comment made me shake my head, "It's time to reach out to all our Republican and conservative friends. It's time to come home." I mean, I get why he sad it, he's worried that the support from the ticket's baseline audience is eroding away and he wants to shore it up but for a guy who's been been touting the power of a political outsider fixing the party politics of Washington the message just doesn't jive. You can't say on one hand that party politics are bad and then appeal to the worst part of party politics(party over self) on the other. I realize it could be suicide to ape Arnold Schwarzenegger and say "Conscious and country over party loyalty." but it would be a more genuine message and probably actually win him and Trump a little more credence from the voters. Also, despite his own personal problems, who woulda thought we'd come to a day when Arnold made a profound political message? Pence is pretty radically Religious Right. In some ways I think he's more dangerous than Trump, who I honestly think is pandering to get votes on most "social" issues. Pence is Ted Cruz without being quite as dickish in his demeanor and approach. Mike Pence supports torturing gay teenagers until they magically become not gay any more (or learn to hate themselves and pretend to be somebody they're not, like any good, self-respecting homo). That tells us all we need to know about him.
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Post by Pharozonk on Oct 26, 2016 12:49:58 GMT -5
Submitted my absentee ballot today. Vote America!
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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 26, 2016 16:46:08 GMT -5
Chris Ladd, the former "GOP lifer", posted a heartfelt personal piece today on his new blog, politicalorphans.com. The whole thing is worth reading but this will give you the gist: [...] "What my father knows about the world may be at odds with empirical reality, but his views line up almost perfectly with the opinions of the people who lie to him. The people who lie to my father long ago earned his allegiance, leveraging his biases to turn his political influence to their own interests. They will probably never be punished for what they have stolen from him, but they will always have my special contempt. [...] Three categories of professional liars have played a special role in shaping my father’s framework of reality, destroying his and his community’s capacity to leverage politics to improve their lives. A few of them, like the modern shamans who have set themselves up as folksy provincial ministers, he knows personally. However, most of them are far away and unknown. People who built Fox News, Breitbart and the galaxy of far right propaganda networks are impossibly distant. And political disinformation engines like The Heritage Foundation and the Heartland Institute, are almost entirely unknown to him. [...] Despite a lifetime of experience to the contrary, the people who lie to my father have convinced this intelligent, insightful man that his enemies are “takers” who game the system. They have convinced him that his culture is under siege from “godless liberals.” Leveraging generations of careful racial programming, they have taught him to feel suspicious of and threatened by people he sees as different. A man whose family was repeatedly rescued from abject poverty by a liberal innovation called the workers’ compensation system is convinced that the social safety net is destroying America. A man whose wife in her late sickness would have had no access to medical care absent Medicare is convinced that “socialized medicine” is a threat to the survival of western civilization. My father doesn’t think of himself as a racist, quite the opposite really. As the saying goes, ‘a fish don’t know he’s wet.’ He has no inclination of how his unquestioned assumptions create barriers in the world for people of color. The people who lie to my father are not planning to tell him. [...] Of all the people who lie to my father, some of the darkest are unknown to him. They work in so-called “think tanks,” or phony news outlets. Or they operate businesses that thrive on the gray line between political advocacy and fraud. These are people with the education, exposure, and intellect to fully understand the great rightwing grift. Most of the low-rent backwater preachers and politicians who lie to my father are barely more aware of the grift than he is himself. But this network of professional liars carries out their work with eyes wide open and conscience closed tight. [...] Some of the people who lie to my father are probably true believers, but it would be tough to muster any moral defense of their life’s ambitions. They are paid to invent lies that protect wealthy people from accountability for their abuses. They can color this in any manner they chose, that is, after all, both their talent and their vocation, but they are some of the lowest creatures on the planet. I can’t stop them. I can’t stop their vocation from being wildly profitable. I can’t even bring them to any form of justice. But I can let them know that I see them. Formal, material justice may never reach them, but karma can be shockingly relentless. I love my father and I resent what has been stolen from him and millions of others like him. This post is for the people who lie to my father. It is my promise that I will never forget them or the things they have done."
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 26, 2016 17:59:54 GMT -5
Mike Pence supports torturing gay teenagers until they magically become not gay any more (or learn to hate themselves and pretend to be somebody they're not, like any good, self-respecting homo). That tells us all we need to know about him. Conversion therapy. I tend to deal with my seemingly unending self-loathing with pathetic attempts at humor (also crying), you may have noticed. This link is an eerily familar story for me and it is related to conversion therapy: (Not 100% safe for work due to language) (And don't click it if this is a topic you'd rather avoid. Just put me on ignore and we can all get on with our lives.) linkI'd like to ask Michele Bachmann and all like-minded people just what they think is wrong with the concept of people being free to live their life as they want. What business of hers is it if people prefer men, women, chocolate, coffee, Prokofiev, quiet afternoons by the lake or checkered shirts? I mean, really??? And then she has the gall to say that people on the other side are bullies.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 26, 2016 18:02:43 GMT -5
Chris Ladd, the former "GOP lifer", posted a heartfelt personal piece today on his new blog, politicalorphans.com. The whole thing is worth reading but this will give you the gist: [...] That was powerful, Rob. Thanks for the link!
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Post by The Captain on Oct 26, 2016 18:44:38 GMT -5
Conversion therapy. I tend to deal with my seemingly unending self-loathing with pathetic attempts at humor (also crying), you may have noticed. This link is an eerily familar story for me and it is related to conversion therapy: (Not 100% safe for work due to language) (And don't click it if this is a topic you'd rather avoid. Just put me on ignore and we can all get on with our lives.) linkI'd like to ask Michele Bachmann and all like-minded people just what they think is wrong with the concept of people being free to live their life as they want. What business of hers is it if people prefer men, women, chocolate, coffee, Prokofiev, quiet afternoons by the lake or checkered shirts? I mean, really??? And then she has the gall to say that people on the other side are bullies. Checkered shirts? I know you're Canadian, but seriously, are you like a closet lumberjack or something
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 26, 2016 18:51:55 GMT -5
I love my lumberjack shirt! (Made in the USA, too!!!) L.L. Bean for the win.
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Post by Spike-X on Oct 26, 2016 23:27:31 GMT -5
Stolen and adapted from elsewhere:
*knock knock* Who's there? Joe Walsh musket. Joe Walsh musket who? Joe Walsh musket a lot of visits from the Secret Service.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 27, 2016 9:27:03 GMT -5
I get it, it's not an actual call to violence. It's still a call to piss all over American democracy; it's a call to refuse the decision of the majority. So much better.
"Whatever it takes" to what? Walsh claims he's not promoting violence but he's this close to openly call for toppling a democratically elected US president.
I mean, if Tump is elected (perish the thought), I'll be the first to b*** and moan and point out each and every of his lousy decisions, but I'll understand that's the way democracy works. Same as with George Disastrous Bush.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 27, 2016 10:42:30 GMT -5
I get it, it's not an actual call to violence. It's still a call to piss all over American democracy; it's a call to refuse the decision of the majority. So much better. "Whatever it takes" to what? Walsh claims he's not promoting violence but he's this close to openly call for toppling a democratically elected US president. I mean, if Tump is elected (perish the thought), I'll be the first to b*** and moan and point out each and every of his lousy decisions, but I'll understand that's the way democracy works. Same as with George Disastrous Bush. Right. trouble is, Trump, in a bit of Newspeak worthy of Orwell, has made "Entitlement is Victimhood" and "Democracy is Tyranny" the foundations of his disciples' beliefs.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 27, 2016 10:56:34 GMT -5
Same rhetoric I've heard for years from people like Al Sharpton. Both fringes on the left and right try to rile up their supporters with the same blather.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 27, 2016 10:56:42 GMT -5
I get it, it's not an actual call to violence. It's still a call to piss all over American democracy; it's a call to refuse the decision of the majority. So much better. "Whatever it takes" to what? Walsh claims he's not promoting violence but he's this close to openly call for toppling a democratically elected US president. I mean, if Tump is elected (perish the thought), I'll be the first to b*** and moan and point out each and every of his lousy decisions, but I'll understand that's the way democracy works. Same as with George Disastrous Bush. I'm not sure I agree. And it's because of the wording that he's using. He's attempting to weasel out of the plain-meaning of the words he uses. "Musket" is clearly a firearm and it hearkens to the American Revolution and full-blown rebellion. In the same article he says, and I'm paraphrasing, "what damage can you do with a musket?" Well there were roughly 11,000 battle deaths in the Revolutions...so...a lot. But he clearly was using the term as a metaphor. And again, as you say, he ends his list of actions with "whatever it takes." That's a pretty clear rhetorical indication that he's willing to go beyond peaceful protest. Words have meaning.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 27, 2016 16:05:05 GMT -5
Do you have a quote for Al Sharpton? Something we can compare to the Walsh quote we're talking about?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 27, 2016 16:19:35 GMT -5
Do you have a quote for Al Sharpton? Something we can compare to the Walsh quote we're talking about? You only need to look up the inciteful speeches that the Rev Al made during the Crown Heights riots and the firebombing at Freddie's Fashion Mart on 125th Street in Harlem for just 2 examples. Of course, it all started with the Tawana Brawley farce. And with all that background, he was still a Democratic Candidate for President as well as talk show host on MSNBC
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Post by DE Sinclair on Oct 27, 2016 22:09:25 GMT -5
Conversion therapy. I tend to deal with my seemingly unending self-loathing with pathetic attempts at humor (also crying), you may have noticed. This link is an eerily familar story for me and it is related to conversion therapy: (Not 100% safe for work due to language) (And don't click it if this is a topic you'd rather avoid. Just put me on ignore and we can all get on with our lives.) linkI'd like to ask Michele Bachmann and all like-minded people just what they think is wrong with the concept of people being free to live their life as they want. What business of hers is it if people prefer men, women, chocolate, coffee, Prokofiev, quiet afternoons by the lake or checkered shirts? I mean, really??? And then she has the gall to say that people on the other side are bullies. I wish everyone cared as little about what other people do in their private time as I do. If all parties involved are consenting adult humans, then I simply don't care.
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