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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 9, 2016 21:59:22 GMT -5
Being a woman, I am more scared by the greenlight he has given his supporters to be misogynists, racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, homophobes, and ableist. Misogynists? Remind me, who has Hillary been married to for the last 30+ years? Homophobes? Remind me, but how many middle-eastern fascists and sultans have donated millions of dollars to the "Clinton Foundation" while they toss homosexuals off of the rooftops of 4 story buildings as punishment for their sins? It's not about how bad the Clintons are. It's clear Bill is on the border of being a sexual predator (if not one) and Hillary stayed married to him for her career. I never said they were good role models, just that Trump is worse. As far as the Clinton Foundation goes, I haven't really been able to find any reasonable non-biased source of information on it, so I don't really have much of an opinion there.. but if they're taking money and doing good with it, I'm not sure I care where it's from. Trump will have his finger over the red button, as you say. He asked at his briefing 'why doesn't we use Nuclear weapons'... that's not scary? He can't keep it together when he gets baited anywhere, anytime, and by his own admission he hates to lose.. none of those things are good in a President.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2016 22:00:50 GMT -5
And this happened to someone already. I'm sure I can track down far more incidents without barely looking. This is what I'm scared of. This is what my friends are scared of. Yep The "good guys" are protesting/rioting in 7 different states right now...but you know..."priorities". Damn that Trump and his supporters for not accepting the election results!! Oh...wait...
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 22:58:40 GMT -5
Warmonger, why are you only quoting the women in this post (on this page), and demanding from one and then mocking the other?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 9, 2016 22:59:11 GMT -5
This is what I'm scared of. This is what my friends are scared of. Yep The "good guys" are protesting/rioting in 7 different states right now...but you know..."priorities". Damn that Trump and his supporters for not accepting the election results!! Oh...wait... Excellent point Warmonger. If this was reversed and these riots were instigated by Trump supporters upon losing the election, this thread would be filled with talk about Nazis and Stormtroopers etc. instead I just hear the crickets
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2016 23:14:26 GMT -5
Yep The "good guys" are protesting/rioting in 7 different states right now...but you know..."priorities". Damn that Trump and his supporters for not accepting the election results!! Oh...wait... Excellent point Warmonger. If this was reversed and these riots were instigated by Trump supporters upon losing the election, this thread would be filled with talk about Nazis and Stormtroopers etc. instead I just hear the crickets Yep I love the opinions of a lot of the posters on here in terms of comics. I've actually discovered a lot of interesting stuff because of that. But when talking politics? Don't even know why I allow myself to keep getting sucked into it. I respect everyone's opinions...but holy shit...
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Post by The Captain on Nov 9, 2016 23:15:00 GMT -5
But those people have always had that "greenlight", because they don't care what other people think. Having Hillary in the Oval Office wasn't going to make them stop and say "hold on, maybe I should change my attitude now that a woman is POTUS." They're immune to outside influence attempting to cow them into submission, because in their minds, they're right and we're wrong, regardless of opinion or fact to the contrary. You really honestly think that I am *that* clueless to think that it would magically disappear if Hillary got into office? That is to assume that I think presidents are going to get into office and just fix things. Hell, I'm happy if a president just doesn't make things WORSE at this point. And, yeah, I damn know that those horrible hateful things have always been there, but this election has brought it out. It has made people think it's okay to express these things because they think they are ACCEPTABLE things. Honestly, I don't know you well enough to make that kind of judgment about your thought process. You're relatively new here. That's not a criticism, but rather a statement of fact. There are a lot of people here who I know from our previous home at CBR and whose basic personalities (at least online) are pretty well-known to me. Personally, I'm glad you're here, because you bring perspectives that are in much-needed supply around here, as a woman, as a mother, and as a mother of a disabled child. Just from reading your posts, I understand where your fears come from, and I don't believe you're naive enough to believe that everything was going to be instantly better if Hillary had been elected. However, I think you, and others, are overreacting as to how bad things are going to be, particularly in relation to how they are now. My father has been making racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic statements for decades, long before Donald Trump was anything more than a real estate developer in New York and New Jersey, and he did so because he's a deeply flawed individual because of his upbringing, not because anyone told him it was acceptable to express those things or acted similarly. This election didn't bring these people out, it merely put the focus on them, and anything, be it home invasions or child abductions or police shootings or whatever, will seem worse when enough scrutiny is put on them, because that is what the media will be discussing and Facebookers will be sharing and folks will talking about at the water cooler at work. If you need somewhere to talk about it, this is a good place, and if you need someone to talk to, feel free to message me. The future may not be as good as you'd hoped, but it probably won't be as bad as you fear today. Blessings to you and yours. Richard
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2016 23:23:41 GMT -5
You don't need to like Hillary to think Trump is a racist, sexish buffoon that has a smaller vocabulary than my 8 year old. It'll be interesting to see what happens when he doesn't deliver on the wall and canceling the trade agreements like he promised. It makes me very sad for my country that enough people fell for his scare mongering and double talk to get him elected. The process is a big part of the problem of course, offering us such a miserable alternative as Hillary Clinton, but at least I wouldn't have to worry that she was going to start nuclear holocaust if someone disagreed with her. And I'd argue the exact opposite. Not ENOUGH people succumbed to the scaremongering BS that Hillary pulled. Some of you guys sound so scared s**tless it's as if you think Trump is sitting in the Oval Office as we speak with his finger twitching above the red button. It's like I'm reading the Brexit posts all over again in here. Seems to me a YUGE portion of Americans are tired of "politics as usual" in Washington. Hell, look at the turnout for Hillary in DC. 93% of the vote. She's the very definition of the big government, status quo politician. Factor in her incredibly shady past and present (but oh, yeah, Trump made a derogatory term against women 11 years ago) and you have a good idea why this election broke the way it did. I hardly see Trump changing "politics as usual," as he basically played the same games and talks the same talk. Meanwhile, Congress still enacts or doesn't enact the laws. The Executive Office doesn't change that. Trump is no reformer; he will go with the system, same as everyone else. Why? For the simple fact that the only way to reform it is through Congress and they are the ones that benefitted from the system. All Trump can do is affect how the Executive Branch administers or ignores the law. Term limits won't happen because the people whose term will be limited are the ones who would have to enter and vote on the legislation. Won't happen. His wall won't get funded and Mexico doesn't have the money nor can be forced to do it. He may be able to tighten immigration controls, if the courts play ball and that is a big "if." He has talk generic nonsense about school choice, without actually funding schools. he will probably get his tax breaks for the 1% and the economy will tank, just like under W. The only thing I see him changing is turning the White House into a reflection of his vulgar taste, and possibly having the WWE as entertainment at his inaugural ball. I agree that a huge portion of America is tired of "politics as usual," but, they didn't vote for a candidate who will deliver change, nor were they offered that option by either party. No, I don't think Trump is any more likely to launch a nuke than a senile ronald Reagan, nor do I think the cabinet or the Pentagon would sit still for it, let alone the military carry out the order, without seriously major justification. They aren't robots. It was Hillary's race to lose and she achieved that. She lacks the charisma of her husband, allowed her arrogance to wallow her in scandal (scandal, mind you, not necessarily crime), doesn't inspire people, isn't a great public speaker, when it comes to connecting to a wide audience, and was viewed as a front for Bill. She's hardly the villain portrayed by the Right anymore than she is the hero of the Left. She is a consummate politician, and one people see through. Quite frankly, I don't see where she differs from Trump in any respect, which is why I wonder at how people think he is any kind of "outsider" or "reformer." He's the same animal, in a slightly different jungle, from the same "family" of animals that have controlled American government for most of our history.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2016 23:30:54 GMT -5
Really, though, I'm tired of all of this, as it doesn't change things and it just reinforces why I usually avoid political threads. People are rarely swayed from one point of view to another and you just end up arguing in circles, losing your temper and fighting with people who, on other subjects, you will find common ground and get along perfectly well. I'm gonna stick to talking comics for a while and have some fun. No ill will towards anyone or their political beliefs. At least we all love our comics.
Why don't we switch to a nice safe topic, like religion.
(ducks for cover)
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2016 23:59:19 GMT -5
The "good", "honest", "rational" folk of America
The good, loyal Dems of the US of A will accept the election results....no doubt...
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Nov 10, 2016 2:21:11 GMT -5
Legitimize the voting process and simplify it. It's always been an over complicated joke. That's why we only have two parties with a shot at ever winning anything. Blame the system, not the people that are forced to live under it. Absentee/mail in ballots have made it so you don't even have to leave your house to vote though. How much more can it be simplified? No electoral college. So you know, my vote actually matters.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Nov 10, 2016 2:28:45 GMT -5
Legitimize the voting process and simplify it. It's always been an over complicated joke. That's why we only have two parties with a shot at ever winning anything. Blame the system, not the people that are forced to live under it. Wait, simplify it? Anything you need to know is at your fingertips via Google. Unfortunately, no one can simplify the motivation for you to go out and push a button, or fill in a bubble on a form, for the candidate you want. That is on YOU. It is pretty dang simple. I also said legitimize it. Like I already stated the electoral college essentially makes your voice pointless. Also, it's always a two head race between two parties. Green party, or whatever has no chance because of the system that is in place and most states aren't going to change that because they want to keep it that way. And what the fuck is a caucus and why should I care? I should be able to literally rip a piece of paper off, write my candidate's name on it and put in in a jar without going through person ABC before it gets to the person that counts in Z. It should be so easy that a 4 year old can do it. But wait Timmy you need to know about the electoral college process before your vote means anything!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Nov 10, 2016 2:49:16 GMT -5
As long as we keep tolerating this current system no amount of outrage or protests will matter one iota. Until enough people rise up and demand not just voting reform (and perhaps even the doing away with the Electoral College) but a overhaul of the system, all the criticism, talking, hating, venom-spitting is meaningless. Why doesn't the popular vote count? Why don't we have an online option to vote in this modern age? It's absurd. Of course we know why TPTB want it like this, but the true unharnessed power has always lied with the majority. At some point rational people are going to have to put all the frivolous crap that dominates our lives on pause, stand up, and make a real change for once. I put myself firmly in that group and fully admit that I don't do enough on that front.
I'm sick and tired of the Democratic party and the Republican party. These useless parties are not indestructible and we don't have to tolerate their dominance if we really don't want it. Even the Roman Empire ended and so can their stranglehold on the political system. Unfortunately, most people seem to be too lazy and or distracted to do what needs to be done.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Nov 10, 2016 2:58:43 GMT -5
Clearly the darkest timeline. Oh well. At least the first lady is easy on the eyes *shrugs*
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 10, 2016 6:38:36 GMT -5
According to the Scientific American, Trump has picked Myron Ebell as a potential head for the EPA. Ebell is climate change denier, naturally. A loud one, too. That's just the kind of terrible decision I was fearing. Oddly enough, the EPA is a creation of the Republican party. Under Nixon, of all people!
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 10, 2016 7:52:42 GMT -5
Are empathy and kindness "unamerican"? Will you laugh at me and call me naive for saying that? While I waited to vote I could overhear people discussing Hillary Clinton, saying things like "that stupid d*ke", "That ugly c**t", "that lying b***h, etc., right in front of me; were they trying to scare me? Oh, they did. I let my hair hang in front of my face and looked down a lot. I tried not to cry. These people live near me? Do you think I am weak or liar? Is there anything worse than a woman who lies? Apparently not, but it's no big deal if men do it, right? This is how some of us are feeling right now... From this link; ...What I do know, is that no matter how lonely you feel right now while you’re reading this at your desk or lying in your bed or waiting in line at Walgreens, you are not alone. There are millions of you ―of us ―searching for uneasy answers, trying not to breakdown on the subway, forcing ourselves to pull our shirts over our heads and attempt to somehow be useful in a country that seem to have no use for us, in a country that we are certain does not want us, that we worry will not keep us safe.
For now, we must hold each other as we fall to pieces, as we simultaneously lose ourselves to our despair and drown in our panic, as we burn with the hottest, bluest flames of hopelessness."And this link; "It’s the people around him I’m worried about. We already know Mike Pence’s track record (conversion therapy, religious freedom bill, etc.). And Trump’s base is overwhelming filled with straight, white individuals. He was endorsed by the KKK for God’s sake. How did we go from electing America’s first black president to someone who is supported by the KKK?
Again, this is the reality. This is the reality and so many other people I care about an love, are facing today. And we will face it tomorrow and the day after that. We will face for the next four years of our lives. What that reality will look like in four years I have no clue. But I’m scared. I’m scared for my wife. I’m scared for my family. I’m scared for the LGBTQ community. I’m scared for my friends who are minorities. I’m. Scared." Here's an excerpt from this link; "...I’m terrified for the young women in my life who, once again are receiving the message that men can say and do whatever the want to women and their bodies without consequence. In fact, there are no limits to what these men can achieve in the Western world even if they wear their misogyny like a badge of honor ―including becoming president. What message does this send to young women about agency they have over their bodies? About what they can achieve in this world in the face of the patriarchy? What’s going to happen to us all? Here's a quote from the comments section of this link; "This absolutely IS about White voters. It is not about 3rd party, not about ‘hey they minorities didn’t vote for Clinton.’ It is about the mobilization of white voters and a racist demagogue. It is about the first election after the gutting of the Voter Rights Act, that was killed the day after Gay marriage blinded us all to how great things were. It’s about redistricting. It’s about the KLAN out in public CHEERING this morning. Its about potently ingrained misogyny to the point that voting for a stunningly qualified woman over a literally unqualified cretin. White America walked into the voting booths, looked to make sure no one could see them, and voted against a Woman and for a racist fear mongering islamaphobe whose VP thinks Electroshock is a great time for queer kids."I am so sorry you had to witness that. I would have been scared, too, or at the very least, I would have been nervous or felt uneasy. People can redirect onto others very quickly when they are angered, so I get that fear. This is what women and other marginalized groups have to deal with daily. And we're sick of it. And it's not settling well with others that we are deciding not to live like this anymore. <3
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