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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 9, 2016 20:01:36 GMT -5
I still like Hillary and am shocked, but, I was originally for Bernie, and wonder if he could have beat Trump. I think he could have. Basically similar platforms, but Bernie was genuine, and people didn't distrust him (e-mail scandal, Benghazi, Clinton Foundation). I'll bet we're going to see John Kasich run again. I could maybe vote for a raging moderate Republican. I voted for Bernie in the primaries. I have no doubt in my mind he would have destroyed Donald in this election. There are various places blame can be put on for this election. DNC, white supremacy, white women (yes, mine messed up as well), folks who didn't vote, etc. I have hit all of them. You left out one. People disliking Hillary. And it' not all about race. Less blacks voted for Hillary as opposed to Obama. less Hispanics voted for Hillary as opposed Obama. Less 18-30 year olds voted for Hillary as opposed Obama. Hillary-the lesser candidate
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 20:06:42 GMT -5
I voted for Bernie in the primaries. I have no doubt in my mind he would have destroyed Donald in this election. There are various places blame can be put on for this election. DNC, white supremacy, white women (yes, mine messed up as well), folks who didn't vote, etc. I have hit all of them. You left out one. People disliking Hillary. And it' not all about race. Less blacks voted for Hillary as opposed to Obama. less Hispanics voted for Hillary as opposed Obama. Less 18-30 year olds voted for Hillary as opposed Obama. Hillary-the lesser candidate Okay, Ish. That is fine.
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 9, 2016 20:12:21 GMT -5
If anything good comes out of this, I hope it inspires Americans of all political stripes to become more active in the political process. The real "silent majority" was the almost 46% of registered voters who didn't bother voting at all. Legitimize the voting process and simplify it. It's always been an over complicated joke. That's why we only have two parties with a shot at ever winning anything. Blame the system, not the people that are forced to live under it. Absentee/mail in ballots have made it so you don't even have to leave your house to vote though. How much more can it be simplified?
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Post by The Captain on Nov 9, 2016 20:23:05 GMT -5
Legitimize the voting process and simplify it. It's always been an over complicated joke. That's why we only have two parties with a shot at ever winning anything. Blame the system, not the people that are forced to live under it. Wait, simplify it? Anything you need to know is at your fingertips via Google. Unfortunately, no one can simplify the motivation for you to go out and push a button, or fill in a bubble on a form, for the candidate you want. That is on YOU. It is pretty dang simple. I am only speculating on what PapaShogun means by "simplify" the voting process, but it may be that any party other than Republican or Democrat has an uphill climb the size of Mount Everest just to make it onto the ballot, and even if they do, their candidates don't get to participate in the debates in order to get their message out. The deck is stacked against them from the outset by arcane rules surrounding elections, because the two major parties have made it so in order to keep themselves in power. As for your comment about "the candidate you want", I think this election was a really good example of what happens when you get two candidates that no one wants. I didn't vote, not because I didn't want to or was too lazy, but because my company scheduled me to be in Texas for training on Election Day. However, even if I had been at home in Pennsylvania, I would have voted for Gary Johnson if I bothered to even go out, and only do that as a form of protest vote against the two substandard candidates the major parties were offering.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 9, 2016 20:23:56 GMT -5
Some of that lower turnout among African-Americans had to do with those changes in the Voting Rights Act.
And Trump took the Cuban-American vote in Florida because he wants to reinstate the embargo.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2016 20:53:48 GMT -5
I know, I know We anti-Hillary folks are just the worst You don't need to like Hillary to think Trump is a racist, sexish buffoon that has a smaller vocabulary than my 8 year old. It'll be interesting to see what happens when he doesn't deliver on the wall and canceling the trade agreements like he promised. It makes me very sad for my country that enough people fell for his scare mongering and double talk to get him elected. The process is a big part of the problem of course, offering us such a miserable alternative as Hillary Clinton, but at least I wouldn't have to worry that she was going to start nuclear holocaust if someone disagreed with her. And I'd argue the exact opposite. Not ENOUGH people succumbed to the scaremongering BS that Hillary pulled. Some of you guys sound so scared shitless it's as if you think Trump is sitting in the Oval Office as we speak with his finger twitching above the red button. It's like I'm reading the Brexit posts all over again in here. Seems to me a YUGE portion of Americans are tired of "politics as usual" in Washington. Hell, look at the turnout for Hillary in DC. 93% of the vote. She's the very definition of the big government, status quo politician. Factor in her incredibly shady past and present (but oh, yeah, Trump made a derogatory term against women 11 years ago) and you have a good idea why this election broke the way it did.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 20:58:24 GMT -5
Being a woman, I am more scared by the greenlight he has given his supporters to be misogynists, racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, homophobes, and ableist.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 9, 2016 21:16:38 GMT -5
Being a woman, I am more scared by the greenlight he has given his supporters to be misogynists, racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, homophobes, and ableist. But those people have always had that "greenlight", because they don't care what other people think. Having Hillary in the Oval Office wasn't going to make them stop and say "hold on, maybe I should change my attitude now that a woman is POTUS." They're immune to outside influence attempting to cow them into submission, because in their minds, they're right and we're wrong, regardless of opinion or fact to the contrary.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2016 21:24:25 GMT -5
Being a woman, I am more scared by the greenlight he has given his supporters to be misogynists, racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, homophobes, and ableist. Misogynists? Remind me, who has Hillary been married to for the last 30+ years? Homophobes? Remind me, but how many middle-eastern fascists and sultans have donated millions of dollars to the "Clinton Foundation" while they toss homosexuals off of the rooftops of 4 story buildings as punishment for their sins?
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 21:31:05 GMT -5
Being a woman, I am more scared by the greenlight he has given his supporters to be misogynists, racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, homophobes, and ableist. But those people have always had that "greenlight", because they don't care what other people think. Having Hillary in the Oval Office wasn't going to make them stop and say "hold on, maybe I should change my attitude now that a woman is POTUS." They're immune to outside influence attempting to cow them into submission, because in their minds, they're right and we're wrong, regardless of opinion or fact to the contrary. You really honestly think that I am *that* clueless to think that it would magically disappear if Hillary got into office? That is to assume that I think presidents are going to get into office and just fix things. Hell, I'm happy if a president just doesn't make things WORSE at this point. And, yeah, I damn know that those horrible hateful things have always been there, but this election has brought it out. It has made people think it's okay to express these things because they think they are ACCEPTABLE things.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 21:34:43 GMT -5
Being a woman, I am more scared by the greenlight he has given his supporters to be misogynists, racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, homophobes, and ableist. Misogynists? Remind me, who has Hillary been married to for the last 30+ years? Homophobes? Remind me, but how many middle-eastern fascists and sultans have donated millions of dollars to the "Clinton Foundation" while they toss homosexuals off of the rooftops of 4 story buildings as punishment for their sins? Bill wasn't running for president this go-round. Also: this go-round where his WIFE was running for president ( you know which one I'm talking about, right?), he wasn't telling men to just grab women by their pussies. So. Your second point: Dude, you support Trump. Do not even try to play like you care about homosexuals. lol. Please.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2016 21:45:56 GMT -5
Misogynists? Remind me, who has Hillary been married to for the last 30+ years? Homophobes? Remind me, but how many middle-eastern fascists and sultans have donated millions of dollars to the "Clinton Foundation" while they toss homosexuals off of the rooftops of 4 story buildings as punishment for their sins? Bill wasn't running for president this go-round. Also: this go-round where his WIFE was running for president ( you know which one I'm talking about, right?), he wasn't telling men to just grab women by their pussies. So. Your second point: Dude, you support Trump. Do not even try to play like you care about homosexuals. lol. Please. 1. And? Surely a woman that would stay with a misogynistic pig like Billy Boy solely to advance her political career would be downright "deplorable", right? And most surely she wouldn't attack another with such an ironic claim...right? 2. Seems like a massive cop out to me. Surely if the plight of the homosexuals is an issue you hold so close to the vest...you should have a much stronger opinion about such a travesty...right?
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 21:49:34 GMT -5
And this happened to someone already. I'm sure I can track down far more incidents without barely looking.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 21:53:57 GMT -5
Bill wasn't running for president this go-round. Also: this go-round where his WIFE was running for president ( you know which one I'm talking about, right?), he wasn't telling men to just grab women by their pussies. So. Your second point: Dude, you support Trump. Do not even try to play like you care about homosexuals. lol. Please. 1. And? Surely a woman that would stay with a misogynistic pig like Billy Boy solely to advance her political career would be downright "deplorable", right? And most surely she wouldn't attack another with such an ironic claim...right? 2. Seems like a massive cop out to me. Surely if the plight of the homosexuals is an issue you hold so close to the vest...you should have a much stronger opinion about such a travesty...right? 1. I'm not going to argue misogyny with you, man, not when you do NOT experience it, and you should NOT be even arguing it with me in the first place. 2. You got a citation for that? I mean, from a reputable source? And then we can be done with this.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2016 21:57:53 GMT -5
1. And? Surely a woman that would stay with a misogynistic pig like Billy Boy solely to advance her political career would be downright "deplorable", right? And most surely she wouldn't attack another with such an ironic claim...right? 2. Seems like a massive cop out to me. Surely if the plight of the homosexuals is an issue you hold so close to the vest...you should have a much stronger opinion about such a travesty...right? 1. I'm not going to argue misogyny with you, man, not when you do NOT experience it, and you should NOT be even arguing it with me in the first place. 2. You got a citation for that? I mean, from a reputable source? And then we can be done with this. So...answer the questions or no?
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