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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 11, 2016 23:25:11 GMT -5
In other news, bigoted d**kheads and a**hats continue to act like bigoted d**kheads and a**hats. The KKK probably would've marched whether Trump won or lost. Just change out the words "Donald Trump victory" for "Hillary Clinton protest". It's worth noting that the official newspaper of the Klan claimed Trump as their very own and their former grand dragon David Duke endorsed Trump. Trump did eventually reject that endorsement, but only after several months and many times being asked to reject it by the press.
No, I don't think they would have marched in protest if Clinton had won. They are cowards. But they have been emboldened by the victory of Trump who they regard as a kindred spirit and feel safer now to climb from under their usual rocks.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 12, 2016 1:53:24 GMT -5
So Massachusetts's message is "out with the tea, in with the pot?" (And Massachusetts is a very difficult name to type).I think that slogan will appear on our flag in the spring, and yes it is difficult to spell. Usually when it comes to spelling and saying places around here I'd blame that on the pigeon language that is English but in this case I guess it's due to the ingenious people that once populated these shores. "Blame it on English"? Why would you blame it on English? You lot don't even speak English, and you certainly don't spell it! Silent letters exist for a reason, and a "subway" is a pedestrian underpass...
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 12, 2016 2:44:26 GMT -5
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 12, 2016 12:59:23 GMT -5
State question 792 finally brought Oklahoma out of the ice age regarding alcohol laws this election year. 5-6 years ago we legalized tattoos and body piercing. I expect us to be the last regarding the legalization of pot. God forbid (in almost a literal sense) people make their own choices regarding what they put it/do to their bodies. IMO, Legalizing pot has nothing to do with that... it's about the taxes. Specifically, I want the government to collect them on Marijuana sales, instead of spending resources arresting completely harmless stoners that aren't bothering anyone. My only concern (I'm in Massachusetts too) is that there doesn't seem to be a good way to test for someone driving under the influence... hopefully someone will come up with that soon now that it's becoming an increasing need.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 12, 2016 13:31:43 GMT -5
State question 792 finally brought Oklahoma out of the ice age regarding alcohol laws this election year. 5-6 years ago we legalized tattoos and body piercing. I expect us to be the last regarding the legalization of pot. God forbid (in almost a literal sense) people make their own choices regarding what they put it/do to their bodies. IMO, Legalizing pot has nothing to do with that... it's about the taxes. Specifically, I want the government to collect them on Marijuana sales, instead of spending resources arresting completely harmless stoners that aren't bothering anyone. My only concern (I'm in Massachusetts too) is that there doesn't seem to be a good way to test for someone driving under the influence... hopefully someone will come up with that soon now that it's becoming an increasing need. I agree that should be the reason to legalize it, but I don't have any faith in a state whose officials kept tattoos illegal into the 21st century. And it's because they are a bunch of old religious folks who don't want to let people decide for themselves.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 12, 2016 13:40:55 GMT -5
IMO, Legalizing pot has nothing to do with that... it's about the taxes. Specifically, I want the government to collect them on Marijuana sales, instead of spending resources arresting completely harmless stoners that aren't bothering anyone. My only concern (I'm in Massachusetts too) is that there doesn't seem to be a good way to test for someone driving under the influence... hopefully someone will come up with that soon now that it's becoming an increasing need. I agree that should be the reason to legalize it, but I don't have any faith in a state whose officials kept tattoos illegal into the 21st century. And it's because they are a bunch of old religious folks who don't want to let people decide for themselves. Seriously? So what happened if someone who already had tattoos moved in from outside?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 12, 2016 13:44:31 GMT -5
I agree that should be the reason to legalize it, but I don't have any faith in a state whose officials kept tattoos illegal into the 21st century. And it's because they are a bunch of old religious folks who don't want to let people decide for themselves. Seriously? So what happened if someone who already had tattoos moved in from outside? Poor wording in my choice. It was illegal to have them done in the state of Oklahoma until 2008. My wife hot three of her four tattoos out of state. The first one here in state she got was just this year. Which lead to people going out of state or having self done tattoos, done by others not trained and in unsanitary conditions. People are going to get/do what they want despite laws. Kind of why Prohibition failed.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 12, 2016 16:23:34 GMT -5
If I could be out protesting right now, I would be. However, with home commitments that would not allow me to travel to any protest, I have opted to try to see what I can do locally to help targeted groups. I have already spent hours speaking with people who are scared out of their minds.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 12, 2016 17:50:00 GMT -5
@popzeus, I am not sure if you meant "quitting" as in that you are thinking of moving, and you see that as giving up, or if you meant quitting the forum. I cannot advise on the moving part, as that is your living situation, and I am not there to witness it. However, if you were considering leaving the forums, all I can do is plead that you don't quit them. We NEED a voice like yours here. Your voice is valued, AND your pain is real. It means a lot to me that you shared and expressed yourself.
This forum might not be so used to the voice of a woman sharing the deep and painful stories you have shared with us, but I am very proud that you were courageous enough to do so. I think we all are. And anyone who would say otherwise has the problem, not you. Please do not feel embarrassed. THAT is not on YOU. <3
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 12, 2016 20:22:56 GMT -5
I second what Lolatadatodo said. We need more unique perspectives around here, Dian, especially from women. Hope you stick around.
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 12, 2016 20:28:19 GMT -5
FYI, FWIW, this thread has reached some sort of boiling point.
Much as I love current affairs and politics, I haven't wanted to come here the last few days because of the toxic environment, but I thought that might just be on me because of my candidate losing.
A member here has said privately that this thread has really hurt them and that they are taking a hiatus and may not be coming back at all.
Think about that.
I think it's safe to say that despite all of us not seeing eye to eye on every issue every day all the time, we need to respect each other and have an open community of mutual trust and understanding.
We, the mods, believe in free speech, but also want to abid by the parameters set here from the beginning.
"Can't we all just get along ?"
and can we at least pride ourselves on being a little better than the Lowest Common Denominator, or flaming web site ?
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 12, 2016 22:21:30 GMT -5
Well said. Like I said before, I usually avoid political forums. I sold books for 20 years and elections were more and more of a nightmare. We literally counted the number of books from each side, on any display, to ensure perfect balance; yet, someone would see one book out of 20 or 30 and be offended, accuse us of bias, and state they would never shop in our store again. Those books never sway anyone to the other side; they usually preach to the choir. Same in these kinds of threads. Politics and religion are topics in which people have strong feelings and it doesn't take much for a reasoned debate to turn emotional and become poisonous. having been an instrument of political expediency (the military) I have little love of politicians and don't feel we've had an honest, rational and caring president since Carter, and look how he was torn down and maligned. He stayed his course and continued and working for the betterment of humanity. Can't say the others of my lifetime (50 years) did anything remotely comparable. Maybe he didn't make the best decisions; but, I prefer his approach more than most I have seen.
Anyway, anonymity emboldens people into saying things they wouldn't utter in public, for good and ill. Too many use it to instill fear, in an attempt to boost their own self-image. Our lives have been filled with too much fear and loathing and it needs to stop. People buy up guns because they are afraid some unknown terror will come at them in the dark. People hide indoors for fear of boogeymen or weird clowns. News programs feed one fear-inducing story after another, to then present commercials for products to sooth and reassure you. Politicians use fear to sway your opinion, usually baseless or extremely exaggerated fear. Too many people who fall into minority groups, whether ethnic, orientation, gender, religious, philosophical, or physical have been made to feel fear that violence will be done to them, at worst, or verbal abuse at best.
This is a country that was founded by flawed, but enlightened men and women, who were swayed by arguments of reason and a belief that people could govern themselves with compassion and welcome others into the fold. They didn't always practice what they preached; but, they did strive for it. As Franklin Delano Roosevelt so aptly said, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself!" Hatred is born of fear of the unknown. It's well past time for Americans to stop reacting in fear, living in fear, and creating fear in others. Strength comes in unity, in finding our common ground and building upon it. We, here, have a common ground of a love of comics and the characters and heroes who live on their pages. I learned morality and compassion in the comics I read, to stand up for a principle and to lend a hand when it was needed. Those are values to embrace. My hero was Superman, of the Bronze Age, a man who tried to reform his old enemy, Lex Luthor, because they were once friends. He saw the good in Lex and kept trying to reach it. The world could use a lot more of that right now.
I'll get off my soapbox now, except to add this; I,too, hide behind an alter-ego, codystarbuck. Allow me to introduce myself; my name is Jeff Nettleton, I am a 50 year-old man from central-Illinois, the son of two teachers, a Navy veteran, and a comic reader and lover since 1970. I live with my girlfriend of 9 years, Barb, who has a son and two grandkids. We have a black cat, named Girlie. It's a pleasure to talk comics and related topics here, and hope no one feels like they should leave because of something I or anyone else has said. The world needs communities and this is a good one.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 12, 2016 23:24:50 GMT -5
I have already been corrected for my wrongs in this thread. So, I know Hondorobe is not talking about meeeee.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 23:37:42 GMT -5
@popzeus
Please don't leave us and I understand your feelings and all that ... right now I'm seeing YouTube Videos of American Civil War 2
And, couple others like this and this scares me a lot and I don't want our Country going to a Civil War because of our last Presidential Election ... I'm maybe paranoid -but scared seeing riots in California and Students walking out Class Rooms and all that. This is not good and I don't like to talk about politics because it's a difficult for me to convey my thoughts to all of you here.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 12, 2016 23:50:36 GMT -5
Well said. Like I said before, I usually avoid political forums. I sold books for 20 years and elections were more and more of a nightmare. We literally counted the number of books from each side, on any display, to ensure perfect balance; yet, someone would see one book out of 20 or 30 and be offended, accuse us of bias, and state they would never shop in our store again. Those books never sway anyone to the other side; they usually preach to the choir. Same in these kinds of threads. Politics and religion are topics in which people have strong feelings and it doesn't take much for a reasoned debate to turn emotional and become poisonous. having been an instrument of political expediency (the military) I have little love of politicians and don't feel we've had an honest, rational and caring president since Carter, and look how he was torn down and maligned. He stayed his course and continued and working for the betterment of humanity. Can't say the others of my lifetime (50 years) did anything remotely comparable. Maybe he didn't make the best decisions; but, I prefer his approach more than most I have seen. Anyway, anonymity emboldens people into saying things they wouldn't utter in public, for good and ill. Too many use it to instill fear, in an attempt to boost their own self-image. Our lives have been filled with too much fear and loathing and it needs to stop. People buy up guns because they are afraid some unknown terror will come at them in the dark. People hide indoors for fear of boogeymen or weird clowns. News programs feed one fear-inducing story after another, to then present commercials for products to sooth and reassure you. Politicians use fear to sway your opinion, usually baseless or extremely exaggerated fear. Too many people who fall into minority groups, whether ethnic, orientation, gender, religious, philosophical, or physical have been made to feel fear that violence will be done to them, at worst, or verbal abuse at best. This is a country that was founded by flawed, but enlightened men and women, who were swayed by arguments of reason and a belief that people could govern themselves with compassion and welcome others into the fold. They didn't always practice what they preached; but, they did strive for it. As Franklin Delano Roosevelt so aptly said, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself!" Hatred is born of fear of the unknown. It's well past time for Americans to stop reacting in fear, living in fear, and creating fear in others. Strength comes in unity, in finding our common ground and building upon it. We, here, have a common ground of a love of comics and the characters and heroes who live on their pages. I learned morality and compassion in the comics I read, to stand up for a principle and to lend a hand when it was needed. Those are values to embrace. My hero was Superman, of the Bronze Age, a man who tried to reform his old enemy, Lex Luthor, because they were once friends. He saw the good in Lex and kept trying to reach it. The world could use a lot more of that right now. I'll get off my soapbox now, except to add this; I,too, hide behind an alter-ego, codystarbuck. Allow me to introduce myself; my name is Jeff Nettleton, I am a 50 year-old man from central-Illinois, the son of two teachers, a Navy veteran, and a comic reader and lover since 1970. I live with my girlfriend of 9 years, Barb, who has a son and two grandkids. We have a black cat, named Girlie. It's a pleasure to talk comics and related topics here, and hope no one feels like they should leave because of something I or anyone else has said. The world needs communities and this is a good one. Well done Jeff. I used to go by the screen name of Jolly Mon. Over time it began to bother me that I was speaking from a position of anonymity which to me amounted to hiding. That's why I switched to DE Sinclair, which is my actual initials and last name. To be more explicit, the D stands for Dennis. According to my Dad, I was in fact named after the comic strip character Dennis the Menace, so I guess that being into comics was inevitable. The E I'll keep to myself because I can't stand my middle name.
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