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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 13, 2016 8:03:14 GMT -5
And, couple others like this and this scares me a lot and I don't want our Country going to a Civil War because of our last Presidential Election ... I'm maybe paranoid -but scared seeing riots in California and Students walking out Class Rooms and all that. This is not good and I don't like to talk about politics because it's a difficult for me to convey my thoughts to all of you here. Students walking out of their classes and peacefully protesting, should not scare you. What should scare you is that Trump trolled the Hell out of America his entire campaign. And his supporters fell for it. Why? Because they were already of the various hate-types he fed throughout his campaign. He made them feel empowered. I find it scary, that not even the day after the election, the hate crimes against targeted groups began. But now that people are protesting? All of sudden folks want unity. They want us to work together. The protests, as per usual, are not called "Protests", they are called "riots" by Trump supporters. I am not violent. I do not ever condone violence. But I don't work with hate. I do not compromise my stance for racists, misogynists, xenophobes, homophobes, islamophobes, and albeists. They want unity now that Trump has reneged on some of his campaign promises to them, then they need to stop hating first. They need to quit being hate. *Sorry if this seems like I was going off on you, Juggernaut, I certainly did not mean that at all.*
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 13, 2016 9:17:14 GMT -5
What should scare you is that Trump trolled the Hell out of America his entire campaign. And his supporters fell for it. Why? Because they were already of the various hate-types he fed throughout his campaign. He made them feel empowered. I'd really like to know what kind of hate-type I am and how Trump trolled the hell out of me with his mind-control. I don't see how agreeing with his stance on ILLEGAL immigration makes me a racist. Those people who overstay their visas or illegally cross the US-Mexico border KNOW what they are doing is wrong. The figure for illegals is estimated to be in the vicinity of 11-12 million. Should another 11-12 million be allowed to waltz in? Further more, I am 75% white. Although the other 25% barely shows, not once did Trump attack it. In fact, Trump was the guest of honour at this event below, attended by some of my family who look indian. Trump's wife is an immigrant, she's now a LEGAL US citizen. So are many Hispanics who applied for citizenship, took the pledge and are now US citizens. Unless someone can point to anything said at any Trump rally where Trump said THESE legal immigrants are no longer welcome in America. To just have a free-for-all open house on all illegal-immigration makes it unfair to those who have followed the process to become legal citizens in the country. I'd like anyone to provide evidence where Trump, at any rally over the past year, was only representing WHITE interest. The KKK might embrace Trump, but the Trump campaign never invited these morons as representatives. He didn't mind control anyone, but thanks for dumbing that sh!t down in order to make me look like some sort of paranoid a-hole. That's much appreciated. Fine, I'll modify that first sentence for you because it was probably a bit harsh, and not completely honest: "What should scare you is that Trump trolled the Hell out of America his entire campaign. And his supporters fell for it. Why? Because they were already of the various hate-types he fed throughout his campaign, or they simply did not mind it because it did not affect them. He made them feel empowered." I actually do not mind Melania, and I hope she rocks as a first lady. And I SURELY won't be participating in sl*t-shaming her, like I have seen others do. And that is all I am addressing from your post.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 9:32:01 GMT -5
FYI, FWIW, this thread has reached some sort of boiling point. Much as I love current affairs and politics, I haven't wanted to come here the last few days because of the toxic environment, but I thought that might just be on me because of my candidate losing. A member here has said privately that this thread has really hurt them and that they are taking a hiatus and may not be coming back at all. Think about that. What I can say is, if this anti-Trump absurdity continues in this thread for the next 4 years, it is going to make talking to people on the comic book sections more difficult, if not impossible. Putting people on ignore, which I have, defeats the whole purpose of enjoying other places on this board where those same people could have valuable input. But I am honestly pissed at the anti-Trump sentiment and think the only thing I can do is...eff off.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 13, 2016 9:32:45 GMT -5
Fine, I'll modify that first sentence for you because it was probably a bit harsh, and not completely honest: Why post "not completely" honest material to make your point? Is that fair? Disappointed. Your shouting from the other side has pissed me off. Since this has gotten personal, and apparently cannot be taken to PM, fine: I modified my sentence to reflect more honesty, after stepping back to have a better look at that particular aspect of my original post. If that is not good enough for you, not much more I can do. And if my "shouting from the otherside" has pissed you off, and you want to go there, imagine how happy I am that another woman supports a man who has said such horrible things about women, and has empowered misogynists in this country to feel okay grabbing women. And there's much, much more than even that, that you are simply okay with. I think our disappointments are matched at this point. And that's the last I am going to say to you on this matter. Take from it what you will, and you can have the last word. I won't be addressing you anymore in this thread.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 13, 2016 9:52:57 GMT -5
OK, hold it! This is a reminder that personal attacks towards individuals or whole groups of people in the forum will not be tolerated in this thread or any other. This thread has gotten mighty poisonous of late and that will NOT be tolerated by the mods. If people don't mend their ways and cut it out with the personal attacks, then this thread will be locked.
This thread has been in existence for a fair old while now and, for the most part, posters have always been civil to each other, despite their differing political leanings. That says a lot about the tightness of our community and mutual respect that posters have for each other. Let's see that continue, please. Attack the policies or politicians, but not your fellow posters, either directly or indirectly.
Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 10:08:25 GMT -5
And, couple others like this and this scares me a lot and I don't want our Country going to a Civil War because of our last Presidential Election ... I'm maybe paranoid -but scared seeing riots in California and Students walking out Class Rooms and all that. This is not good and I don't like to talk about politics because it's a difficult for me to convey my thoughts to all of you here. Students walking out of their classes and peacefully protesting, should not scare you. What should scare you is that Trump trolled the Hell out of America his entire campaign. And his supporters fell for it. Why? Because they were already of the various hate-types he fed throughout his campaign. He made them feel empowered. I find it scary, that not even the day after the election, the hate crimes against targeted groups began. But now that people are protesting? All of sudden folks want unity. They want us to work together. The protests, as per usual, are not called "Protests", they are called "riots" by Trump supporters. I am not violent. I do not ever condone violence. But I don't work with hate. I do not compromise my stance for racists, misogynists, xenophobes, homophobes, islamophobes, and albeists. They want unity now that Trump has reneged on some of his campaign promises to them, then they need to stop hating first. They need to quit being hate. *Sorry if this seems like I was going off on you, Juggernaut, I certainly did not mean that at all.* That's okay and I understand your views and all ... thanks for clearing a couple things up for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 10:37:18 GMT -5
I do think the notion of Trump empowering men to grab females by their genitals is...quite foolish.
When that tape broke, Trump got blasted by everyone including the women closest to him his campaign.
He apologised, said it was wrong, just BS 'locker room' talk.
Now I can't speak for women who are goody 2 shoes and never say anything wrong, but I do know myself, and many of my female friends have said things about men that we wouldn't like leaked out. Especially at girls-night-out, or hen parties, where we talk about men we'd boff, or have boffed and don't want our husbands knowing. And some of it might be complete BS. I'm just saying, girls do it too.
Colour me wrong if Trump changed the laws and empowers coochie-grabbing. But I sincerely do not think so.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 13, 2016 11:40:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 11:43:47 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Saudi Arabia.
Christians cannot go there and build a Church to worship God. That is a sin and can get you executed.
But mosques can be built all over the place.
And disagreeing with this blatant hypocrisy makes one a bigot.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 13, 2016 11:44:31 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 13, 2016 12:21:38 GMT -5
1- Not surprised. Obama and his government backed the insurgency against Assad, back when it was hoped said insurgency would result in toppling a dictator who'd been bombing his own citizens. Now personally, I thought from the start that it wasn't a good idea because it was essentially Iraq redux. It's pretty hard to topple a dictator when there isn't a unified resistance to his reign. Furthermore, for all is faults, Assad had on Syria the same effect Hussein had in Iraq: he kept communities from going after each other. All the current resistance movements against Assad are ethnic- or religion-based, which is never a good idea. But whatever the case may be, right now there is a civil war in Syria, with Russia siding with the government. Assad expects that once Obama's government is replaced, he will find a more sympathetic ear in Washington. (And frankly, at this point, I can't even say that would be a bad thing... Things have degenerated so much in Syria that at this point, anything that brings a measure of order back would be preferable to a perpetual war. The Tunisia-style Arab Spring hoped for in Syria will not happen, and Obama's backing of a hypothetical "moderate" opposition is alas naive). 2- Putin is ready to restore positive relations with the US. No kidding? Putin wasn't discreet about his support of Trump. Now I am waiting to see how the Republican hawks will react; you know, the ones who claimed Obama was a do-nothing president back when Putin was invading Crimea and eastern Ukraine. Won't they insist that the new president force Putin to give back Crimea? (Rhetorical question. Of course they won't. They don't care about Crimea). 3- Can't say anything about Mexico, but here in Canada the attitude is "well, crap, this sucks mightily but we can't have an agreement that only goes one way and so if our massively more powerful neighbour insists we must renegotiate NAFTA, we will renegotiate". Paradoxically, reopening the agreement will please a lot of our own populist movements who insist that the US have been stealing jobs and dumping their products over here. I'm personally neutral on the issue. Economists say NAFTA's a good idea, but I'm not an economist. Besides, I'm not for the global liberalization of the economy; I don't want multinationals to trump (no pun intended) national interests. 4- White house abandons TPP : see above. What's the point anyway, if the next president is gonna dump it? 5- Dow Jones is up... well of course!!! A president who doesn't believe in global warming? A party that insists National parks should be opened to drilling and fracking? A government that wants to emasculate the EPO? How could that be bad for business??? The only candidate that could have had a negative effect on Wall Street, in my opinion, would have been Sanders. Markets love capitalists but not socialists. What I really want to see is if the gap between the rich and the poor will get narrower in the coming years. That gap strikes me as the single greatest threat to the social fabric of the US. It isn't unemployment (which Obama brought down to around 5%); it isn't terrorism (which kills fewer Americans than bees) and it isn't trade accords (which allow people to buy cheap stuff, something they are now addicted to). It's that the rich are running the show, and rigging it more and more in their favour.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 12:36:20 GMT -5
Peaceful anti-Trump demonstrators from recent LA Times. Not a US flag in sight, maybe it was already burnt.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 13, 2016 12:52:46 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Saudi Arabia. Christians cannot go there and build a Church to worship God. That is a sin and can get you executed. But mosques can be built all over the place. And disagreeing with this blatant hypocrisy makes one a bigot. I'm not a fan of our "special" relationship with Saudi Arabia either but this sentiment drives me crazy. I'm not about to call you a bigot or anything nasty because after all the years of posting with you I think I've come to know you a fair but and I think you're a great person but I have to ask you to look at the logic of your argument. First you highlight how wrong it is that Christian churches are considered sinful and punishable by execution in Saudi Arabia, which if true I'll agree is terrible, but then you lament the hypocrisy that their Mosques are freely allowed to be built here which seems a like a serious disconnect from your first statement. If it's terrible that people of a different faith are not allowed to build places of worship in country x than it would also be terrible if the same for country y, it's only when you try to posit that it's terrible for country x to ban y's religion but okay for y to ban x's because they did it to us first that hypocrisy occurs. But even logical arguments aside you have to take into consideration the very reason this country became so popular in the first place: freedom from religious persecution. If we decide that people can't build Mosques in this country because some idiots who practice Islam are waging war on us and because Saudi Arabia bans Christianty than we aren't that city on a hill any more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 13:10:20 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of our "special" relationship with Saudi Arabia either but this sentiment drives me crazy. I'm not about to call you a bigot or anything nasty because after all the years of posting with you I think I've come to know you a fair but and I think you're a great person but I have to ask you to look at the logic of your argument. First you highlight how wrong it is that Christian churches are considered sinful and punishable by execution in Saudi Arabia, which if true I'll agree is terrible, but then you lament the hypocrisy that their Mosques are freely allowed to be built here which seems a like a serious disconnect from your first statement. I'm just saying I think it's a double standard that Saudis take advantage of. The revolving religious door and opened-mind is closed to christians and jews and anyone else in Saudi Arabia and is punishable by death, but they take full advantage of freedom to worship in the USA. If anyone can tell me this is fair, go ahead.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 13, 2016 13:16:17 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of our "special" relationship with Saudi Arabia either but this sentiment drives me crazy. I'm not about to call you a bigot or anything nasty because after all the years of posting with you I think I've come to know you a fair but and I think you're a great person but I have to ask you to look at the logic of your argument. First you highlight how wrong it is that Christian churches are considered sinful and punishable by execution in Saudi Arabia, which if true I'll agree is terrible, but then you lament the hypocrisy that their Mosques are freely allowed to be built here which seems a like a serious disconnect from your first statement. I'm just saying I think it's a double standard that Saudis take advantage of. The revolving religious door and opened-mind is closed to christians and jews and anyone else in Saudi Arabia and is punishable by death, but they take full advantage of freedom to worship in the USA. If anyone can tell me this is fair, go ahead. I think my initial post did a pretty good job of explaining why it's fair, if it's wrong for them to persecute certain groups it's just as wrong for us to persecute people here who happen to share their faith, in fact that would be hypocritical .
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