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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 29, 2016 12:25:08 GMT -5
Catch-22... Prime Minister Trudeau will make an announcement today concerning pipelines. That's a very sensitive subject here, as for some provinces it may mean lots and lots of jobs and money and for others it just means an ecological disaster with no economic counterpart. The PM sort of danced around the subject during the last election, but now he'll have to settle things one way or the other. Whatever he decides, he will be pelted with rotten tomatoes. Well, he wanted the job... Iamnotgoingtoreply.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 29, 2016 20:35:51 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 30, 2016 9:43:22 GMT -5
That's good news indeed. Added to the 10,000,000 jobs created during Obama's tenure, it will help maintain the economic recovery begun after Bush left office and keep the unemployment rate below its historical median, as it is now.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 30, 2016 10:49:24 GMT -5
That's good news indeed. Added to the 10,000,000 jobs created during Obama's tenure, it will help maintain the economic recovery begun after Bush left office and keep the unemployment rate below its historical median, as it is now. You made me laugh out loud, mon ami. It had been awhile. Suddenly a threat by by Carrier turns into great PR for them and Trump and, BTW, equals an economic plan. Carrier says it will keep "close to" 1,000 jobs (of the 1400) at the plant. No word on their other plant, in Huntington (700 jobs) or 400 R and D jobs in Indiana. And Carrier also gets lower taxes and fewer regulations. So now, apparently all it will take for US companies to get sweetheart deals to stay here will be the threat of moving to Mexico. America is great again!
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Post by The Captain on Nov 30, 2016 11:26:16 GMT -5
That's good news indeed. Added to the 10,000,000 jobs created during Obama's tenure, it will help maintain the economic recovery begun after Bush left office and keep the unemployment rate below its historical median, as it is now. You made me laugh out loud, mon ami. It had been awhile. Suddenly a threat by by Carrier turns into great PR for them and Trump and, BTW, equals an economic plan. Carrier says it will keep "close to" 1,000 jobs (of the 1400) at the plant. No word on their other plant, in Huntington (700 jobs) or 400 R and D jobs in Indiana. And Carrier also gets lower taxes and fewer regulations. So now, apparently all it will take for US companies to get sweetheart deals to stay here will be the threat of moving to Mexico. America is great again! Well, I'm sure the 1,000 people who thought they were going to be unemployed are happy that they still have jobs and will be able to pay their rent or mortgages, make their car payments, put food on their tables, and stay off of public assistance, and while the company may be getting tax incentives to stay, these employees will all still be paying local, state, and federal taxes. But, hey, if one would rather see Carrier move those jobs and make more people reliant on the government for their basic needs, I guess this would be disappointing news...
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 30, 2016 12:11:18 GMT -5
You made me laugh out loud, mon ami. It had been awhile. Suddenly a threat by by Carrier turns into great PR for them and Trump and, BTW, equals an economic plan. Carrier says it will keep "close to" 1,000 jobs (of the 1400) at the plant. No word on their other plant, in Huntington (700 jobs) or 400 R and D jobs in Indiana. And Carrier also gets lower taxes and fewer regulations. So now, apparently all it will take for US companies to get sweetheart deals to stay here will be the threat of moving to Mexico. America is great again! Well, I'm sure the 1,000 people who thought they were going to be unemployed are happy that they still have jobs and will be able to pay their rent or mortgages, make their car payments, put food on their tables, and stay off of public assistance, and while the company may be getting tax incentives to stay, these employees will all still be paying local, state, and federal taxes. But, hey, if one would rather see Carrier move those jobs and make more people reliant on the government for their basic needs, I guess this would be disappointing news... That goes without saying, I thought. Of course, Carrier's doing quite nicely, thank you, as a result of holding a gun to Indiana's head. Quick question: will Carrier's employees see an increase in their pay in proportion to the immediate jump in profits Carrier makes from the tax reductions? Quick answer: No. How nice that their contributions to the tax rolls will remain there, while their employer's will be reduced. As for the thousand-plus Carrier employees whose future is still up in the air, well, they just don't fit into the PR narrative, do they? After all, Carrier can pay $3 an hour in Mexico, compared to the 26 an hour they pay here. But the notion that the American President should be some kind of troubleshooting negotiator with individual businesses to get them to stay where they are is ludicrous.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 30, 2016 17:29:55 GMT -5
It just doesn't stop. The guy who was going to drain the swamp is instead filling it to the brim with political stereotypes you wouldn't believe in a Denny O'Neil issue of GL/GA "Hard Travelin' Heroes." To wit, one of His Tweetship's possible choices for EPA chief (as seen on this week's episode of "Celebrity Apprentice: DC") is one Kathleen Hartnett White of the great state and former nation of Texas. One of her claims to fame is that she done proved that we should most definitely thank the Lord for fossil fuels because -- wait for it -- they brought slavery to an end. Mull that one over as you recall that the Industrial Revolution, primed by coal power, began in the mid-1700s, just a moment or two before the South, of its own enlightened volition, freed all the happy people whose lives were spent picking cotton for all those English mills. And granted them citizenship and all the rights pertaining to said citizenship, to boot. Here's the story. I dare you to read her "thesis." The deluxe edition probably comes with a tinfoil hat. America sure is gettin' great again!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 8, 2016 12:54:26 GMT -5
Here's hoping it will be defeated.
Allowing proper sex education and easy access to contraception would have a better effect on reducing the number of abortions than this kind of ideologically-driven curtailing of individual freedom.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Dec 8, 2016 13:17:00 GMT -5
Ohio Moves To Ban Abortion After 6 Weeks Of Pregnancy That’s before some women even realize they’re pregnant. WASHINGTON― Ohio’s Republican-led House and Senate passed legislation Tuesday night that would ban abortions as soon as a fetal heartbeat can be detected― as early as six weeks into a pregnancy.
The measure was attached at the last minute as an amendment to an unrelated child abuse bill. It has no exceptions for rape or incest.
If it’s passed into law, physicians could face a year in prison if they perform an abortion after a heartbeat is detected or if they fail to check for one before a procedure.
The measure is the most extreme abortion restriction in the country, effectively banning the procedure before most women even realize they’re pregnant, pro-abortion rights advocates said.
“After years of passing anti-abortion law under the guise of protecting women’s health and safety, they lay bare their tru motives: to ban abortion in the state of Ohio,” said Dawn Laguens, a spokesperson for the Planned Parenthood Action Fund.
Ohio lawmakers have been trying to pas the “heartbeat bill” since 2011, but some activists feared that it was so extreme and unconstitutional that it could lead courts to overturn other, less stringent abortion restrictions. The Supreme Court refused to review Arkansas’ 12-week abortion ban earlier this year, which lower courts had blocked. The high court ruled in Roe v. Wade in 1973 that states are not allowed to prohibit abortions before the fetus is viable, usually around 22 to 24 weeks into the pregnancy.
Republicans said they now feel emboldened to pass the bill because President-elect Donald Trump is likely to appoint anti-abortion conservatives to the Supreme Court.
“A new president, new Supreme Court appointees change the dynamic, and there was consensus in our caucus to move forward,” Ohio Senate President Keith Faber (R-Celina) told the Columbus Dispatch.
The bill now moves to the desk of Gov. John Kasich (R). He has not indicated whether he will sign it. I'm sure no one here wants to talk about this, but this is one of the things I was trying to touch on in this thread before, and I felt like that on a number of occasions I was mocked for being "childish" or "naive" and it made me feel stupid for trying to share my perspective on things. I am not stupid and I am not a crybaby though. All of this is still bothering me and it hurts even more because I feel responsible for this thread being locked and now being avoided. People communicate differently and WE should ALL be mindful of that and not try to make them approach conversations in a way that does not come naturally to them. I would LOVE to talk about it. This kind of stuff makes me LIVID. Republicans need to stay out of women's bodies, and quit telling women what to do with their bodies. And, imo, there is not a single person who should have a say over what a woman does with HER body. Especially not a man. Nobody. NO ONE. If I want to have 15 abortions, heck yeah. My body. My womb. No one else's.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Dec 8, 2016 13:19:26 GMT -5
I'm sure no one here wants to talk about this, but this is one of the things I was trying to touch on in this thread before, and I felt like that on a number of occasions I was mocked for being "childish" or "naive" and it made me feel stupid for trying to share my perspective on things. I am not stupid and I am not a crybaby though. All of this is still bothering me and it hurts even more because I feel responsible for this thread being locked and now being avoided. People communicate differently and WE should ALL be mindful of that and not try to make them approach conversations in a way that does not come naturally to them. No, you are not a stupid crybaby. <3 And you are NOT responsible for getting this thread locked before.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 8, 2016 13:51:53 GMT -5
The bill is patently unconstitutional. Even with the current court supplemented by a Trump nominee. But this is why it is so damn important to work not just at a national level, but at a local level to get these troglodytes, who are also gerrymandering their seats to safety, out of office.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 8, 2016 13:57:15 GMT -5
I'm sure no one here wants to talk about this, but this is one of the things I was trying to touch on in this thread before, and I felt like that on a number of occasions I was mocked for being "childish" or "naive" and it made me feel stupid for trying to share my perspective on things. I am not stupid and I am not a crybaby though. All of this is still bothering me and it hurts even more because I feel responsible for this thread being locked and now being avoided. People communicate differently and WE should ALL be mindful of that and not try to make them approach conversations in a way that does not come naturally to them. No, you are not a stupid crybaby. <3 And you are NOT responsible for getting this thread locked before. 100 times this, you aren't weak, stupid or a cry baby; your opinion is as valid as everyone else here. And you certainly weren't the reason this thread was put on pause either, it was an emotional election and everyone got a little hot under the collar so we paused it so everyone could cool down.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 8, 2016 17:34:16 GMT -5
The Ohio abortion bill is exactly what I've come to expect from the so-called party of smaller government. Bigger government.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 8, 2016 17:59:33 GMT -5
The Ohio abortion bill is exactly what I've come to expect from the so-called party of smaller government. Bigger government. They aren't and have never been the "party of small government." They're all in favor of bigger government, just in different areas.
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Post by Spike-X on Dec 10, 2016 18:00:51 GMT -5
Here's hoping it will be defeated. Allowing proper sex education and easy access to contraception would have a better effect on reducing the number of abortions than this kind of ideologically-driven curtailing of individual freedom. Funny how the people who claim to be so very against the idea of abortion are always the ones fighting tooth and nail to restrict those things, too. Why, you'd almost think their real agenda was to control women's sexuality, and use it as a weapon against them.
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