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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 1, 2018 17:04:31 GMT -5
We were basically told the way to make a deal was that Trump had to look like he'd gotten a 'win', something he could boast of at his bizarre rallies (um, you know they are totally bizarre still right?). Tens of millions of business people in the U.S. and Canada doing business but petulant celebrity ego man didn't have anything to do with it so he had to force himself in the middle of it all and throw it all into turmoil and doubt for a year and half. The only way things got done was for people being responsible and doing their job representing those tens of millions of business people to put their personal opinions and egos aside and make the best of a pointless situation forced upon us all. Foreigners all cheaters and malevolent, unless they're in anti-democratic fascist dictator countries I guess. Fake stats on black violence re-tweeted by Trump... what motivation can there possibly be for that? Other than? Ever an apology for his 'mistake' on that one? This alone should have kept anyone from empowering him. I admire George Bush Sr.'s responsibility in cleaning up after record spender Reagan even though it made him look bad with some base. Reagan more than tripled the U.S. national debt; it was the time of blank checks to anything military and sometimes that went to $8,000 coffee pots. Reagan did say some good things I remember however, like urging fellow Republicans to work toward getting military style assault weapons out of neighborhoods, support the Brady bill, and that the communist Soviet Union was an evil empire (but as with ex Nixon and Ford people continuing to rise to the surface there are a lot of ex CCCP people still effecting Russia today). But I digress... Bush Sr., McCain, Eisenhower, Lincoln... these are the Republicans to be thankful for. And Reagan did have a fair amount of real experience going into the job as did Bush Sr., but somewhere he found himself selling arms to Iran (as well as Iraq) and arming people in Afghanistan without checking out who they were other than anti-Soviet. Bush was the responsible one who cleaned up afterward.Um. I don't wish to speak ill of the dead and all that, but let's ease up on the deification of George H.W. Bush, the Great Accommodater. Bush was no angel. He quickly "de-moderated" himself to suit the Reagan brand of much farther right conservatism, including Reagan's "voodoo economics" that he criticized during the campaign, when it came time for him to be the V-P nominee. Suddenly he didn't like ideas he'd previously supported, like the Equal Rights Amendment. As President, he vetoed the Civil Rights Act of 1990 (he'd always been in the right wing of the GOP on voting rights)and generally tended to play toward the right wing of the party. No surprise, then that he'd unleashed ratf*cker supreme Lee Atwater on Michael Dukakis during the '88 campaign, which gave us the shameful and nakedly racist Willie Horton ads. In one of his final shady acts, he pardoned half a dozen or so of the Iran-Contra criminals on his way out the door in December 1992,, including Caspar Weinberger knowing that if he were to go on trial, he himself would be implicated because he was a featured player in Weinberger's detailed notes. That move neatly lays the groundwork and provides cover for the current President to do just that for himself. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 17:55:20 GMT -5
Wonderful use of an annoying Internet meme. . LOL
here's the original if you aren't familiar with it: ![]() |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 1, 2018 17:58:07 GMT -5
Let's not forget the fact that he was the head of CIA. That comes with it a whole passel of Machiavellian crap that we will likely never know. Bush I was pretty much forced to deal with the mess that Reagan had made of the economy with his tax cut but still spend policies. And to his credit he did even though the political price was high. And he was a World War II vet and served honorably. But there was every bit as much bad as there was good.
The fact that he's the least objectionable Republican President of my lifetime is something.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 1, 2018 21:48:06 GMT -5
My favorite George H.W. Bush quote.
He said this about his loss to William Clinton in 1992:
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 1, 2018 21:50:43 GMT -5
And here's George H.W. Bush meeting Babe Ruth. Bush was on the Yale baseball team and he was chosen to accept Babe Ruth's memoirs on the baseball field when the Babe presented them to Yale. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 1, 2018 22:11:00 GMT -5
Um. I don't wish to speak ill of the dead and all that, but let's ease up on the deification of George H.W. Bush, the Great Accommodater. Bush was no angel. Fair enough, it's probably mainly in contrast to a lot of the other Republican presidents after Eisenhower that he can seem so decent, plus all the laudatory stuff on tv now. I've said that if I'd had a vote, at the time I'd have voted Reagan, Reagan, Dukakis, Perot. I don't necessarily agree with my earlier self. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 1, 2018 22:13:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 22:59:03 GMT -5
There is a Bureau of Justice Statistics BJS exists and hardly gets quoted by Trump. Good Call beccabear67 for sharing this lie by Trump. |
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Post by impulse on Dec 2, 2018 11:25:57 GMT -5
This is where Trump proved himself racist... what other motivation would anyone have to distribute phony statistics about blacks being violent? I remember Bill O'Reilly from FOX dealing with this with Trump live on his show within a day or so, it was a re-tweet that got him some heat but he still went through the Presidential nomination. And won. Here's your "proven racist" The old "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" card. Lol. As if one posed photo cancels out his entire history and policies. Please. A lot of people on the right are trying to act like this is same old business-as-usual right vs left stuff as if Trump is a typical republican president. I don't know if it's willful ignorance, lack of accurate coverage in right media coverage, or too much cognitive dissonance or what, but a lot of people don't seem to realize Trump is something else entirely and he's awakened something really bad in a lot of people. I think running for president is going to bite him in the long run with regards to all of his dirty laundry from decades is coming out. I hope sane people can just hold the country together long enough to right this |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 11:43:54 GMT -5
And here's George H.W. Bush meeting Babe Ruth. Bush was on the Yale baseball team and he was chosen to accept Babe Ruth's memoirs on the baseball field when the Babe presented them to Yale. I'm giggling over how much Babe Ruth looks like Lindsay Graham in this picture.
no political comment one way or the other, I just think it's funny.
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Post by impulse on Dec 2, 2018 12:36:24 GMT -5
Your incredulity towards the right and Trump supporters in particular, which drips with contempt and a dose of arrogance, hardly qualifies you as the objective voice of reason. You call me arrogant and contemptuous, but it seems like you're the one who walked in here with a chip on their shoulder and looking for a fight. Your posts have been tinged with hostility. Instead of "Trump did a decent thing" it's "Trump did a decent thing, get ready for the librul meltdown on cue regardless." My point isn't an attack. It is an observation. Trump is SO MUCH WORSE than the typical Republican that in my opinion the standard go-to's from the last 15-20 years no longer fit. I don't understand how otherwise rational people can see all that is going on and be okay with it, so I wonder if they actually are seeing it. Fox News notoriously doesn't cover anything that paints Trump in a negative light, so I am left thinking a lot of people are not seeing the full extent of what is going on as covered by literally every single other remotely credible news source. Like what? What do his supporters think he is doing well for this country? What is better now because he is president, and not just better now because it was continuing on its existing trajectory like the economy? Multiple times I've seen people ask for this, and no one ever gives a real answer. I would love to see him doing some actual positive that is actually because of him and either unrelated or simply not correct. I can understand how and why people originally supported him based on what he said, but the reality is demonstrably so much worse and not what he said that I don't understand how people still support him. I would like to see someone on the right make an argument that is not an ad hominem attack, a deflection, or just nitpicking word choice. Help me understand what good Trump is doing. I would love to know that not everything he does is hurting the country. Do you actually think we want the POTUS to fail the country? Of course not. We want him to fail at what he is trying to do because what he is trying to do is awful. I want him to do good for America, and he seems determined not to. Just wait and see what we know by this time next year. I suspect there will be a lot more evidence that his intentions are not as good as his supports want to think. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 2, 2018 15:51:09 GMT -5
I remember Bill O'Reilly from FOX dealing with this with Trump live on his show within a day or so, it was a re-tweet that got him some heat but he still went through the Presidential nomination. And won. Here's your "proven racist" The old "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" card. Lol. As if one posed photo cancels out his entire history and policies. Please. A lot of people on the right are trying to act like this is same old business-as-usual right vs left stuff as if Trump is a typical republican president. I don't know if it's willful ignorance, lack of accurate coverage in right media coverage, or too much cognitive dissonance or what, but a lot of people don't seem to realize Trump is something else entirely and he's awakened something really bad in a lot of people. I think running for president is going to bite him in the long run with regards to all of his dirty laundry from decades is coming out. I hope sane people can just hold the country together long enough to right this One page earlier I wrote "Fake stats on black violence re-tweeted by Trump... what motivation can there possibly be for that?" So again, what possible motivation could there be to re-tweet something so vile? In a sane world that would've been the end of him even before all the 'grabbing them by the P____' and forcing kisses on women stuff same out (leaked, he hates leaks, except wikileaks, that he loooooves) while calling others ugly and dogs etc., at least for anyone with anybody self-respect. Where is the dealing with this? Wasn't O'Reilly shot down in shame as a major bully and hypocrite, lost his relatively (next to a president) unimportant position? Seems like Trump is if anything more guilty... marking rent applications with C for colored in the past and paying for ads demanding the deaths of some black kids mistakenly tagged as Central Park rapists. Oh, but he wasn't running for president then! Y'know I would've thought comic readers immune from the powers of guys like this...  And oh, do I just love the whiny blame opponents for wanting him to fail line... how lame an excuse (and there always is some excuse and someone else to blame), and after the most do-nothing houses controlled by the Republicans for most of Obama's tenure not even allowing basic needed infrastructure spending yet voting to repeal the affordable care act (based on a Republican governor's plan) what 70... or 80 times? Before the FCC was so weakened Fox's Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh could simply and factually not have been been broadcast, nor Russia Today 'news' channel either. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 2, 2018 16:30:32 GMT -5
Um, having your picture taken with black people is not exactly proof that you're not a racist. One of many examples immortalized by Bessie Smith:  |
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Post by impulse on Dec 2, 2018 16:53:25 GMT -5
Um, having your picture taken with black people is not exactly proof that you're not a racist. One of many examples immortalized by Bessie Smith: How horrific. They're all just happily hanging out like it's a party and those are just Halloween decorations. I don't want to look at it anymore myself. Do you know what year and the location this was taken? |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 2, 2018 16:58:02 GMT -5
Um, having your picture taken with black people is not exactly proof that you're not a racist. One of many examples immortalized by Bessie Smith: How horrific. They're all just happily hanging out like it's a party and those are just Halloween decorations. I don't want to look at it anymore myself. Do you know what year and the location this was taken? August 7, 1930. Marion, Indiana. Indiana was a hot-bed for Klan activity after the Klan revival. |
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