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Post by hondobrode on Dec 2, 2018 17:48:54 GMT -5
People :
Let's tone it down a little bit.
Differing opinions are fine but attacking each other is not.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 2, 2018 18:08:59 GMT -5
How horrific. They're all just happily hanging out like it's a party and those are just Halloween decorations. I don't want to look at it anymore myself. Do you know what year and the location this was taken? August 7, 1930. Marion, Indiana. Indiana was a hot-bed for Klan activity after the Klan revival. My grandmother (born in 1917) witnessed this spectacle. She lived in Marion for a long time. I was probably 12 or 13 the first time I heard all the gory details. The mob dynamited a hole in the jail and lynched two black men accused of robbery and murder. They were going to hang a third man too but he was still very young and the lynchers were persuaded to let him live. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 2, 2018 19:01:21 GMT -5
I guess distributing inciteful fake statistics about a minority is presidential now so long as he didn't know they were fake, or at least can claim he didn't know. But again, what other motivation but hate would make someone distribute such b.s.? Same kind of people are behind going over decades old paperwork and trying to prove how holocaust numbers are inflated... when does our species evolve... when does anyone get made to own their own filth? Woodrow Wilson is now widely understood as a racist president, and Andrew Johnson... but surely you might hope in 2016. I mean they even were talking about how the Voter's Rights Act was no longer needed! Whoops, nowadays some kid in the wrong sort of place for his kind is "armed with a sidewalk" in Florida! Get well soon, and if you are gonna dish it out learn to take it. Has anyone seen Trump take anything well ever? He was even still whining publicly about his fantasy tv show not getting an Emmy it so deserved over some race contest. Creeeee-azy.  |
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 2, 2018 19:09:30 GMT -5
“Strange Fruit” is a song performed most famously by Billie Holiday, who first sang and recorded it in 1939. Written by a white, Jewish high school teacher from the Bronx. One of the greatest and hardest to listen to American recordings. It's what Trump wanted to see happen to those Central Park kids and he showed he had no regard for the law in taking full page ads out demanding it. If I remember correctly NY and NJ did not vote for him, they knew the most about him after all as a supposed genius business man and as a human being. And now there are CIA intercepted communications of the Saudi crown prince ordering the killing of that journalist, but they will still try and say well it could have been him or maybe not... well maybe Poland attacked first. I hate people I care about having to learn the hard way.  |
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 2, 2018 19:28:33 GMT -5
I thought of this song when Mississippi elected Cindy Hyde Smith to the US Senate.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 2, 2018 19:32:52 GMT -5
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Post by spoon on Dec 2, 2018 19:38:44 GMT -5
This is where Trump proved himself racist... what other motivation would anyone have to distribute phony statistics about blacks being violent?
I remember Bill O'Reilly from FOX dealing with this with Trump live on his show within a day or so, it was a re-tweet that got him some heat but he still went through the Presidential nomination. And won.
The idea that Trump retweeting and disseminating racist disinformation puzzles me. There are basically two possible scenarios. Trump put forward crime as one of the main reasons to vote for him - a main area of expertise. In fact, being tough on crime is a statement that appears in virtually every Twitter endorsement of a candidate he's issued since becoming President. So scenario 1 is that Trump, being very knowledgeable about crime, chose to spread what he knew were false stats about the proportion of murders committed by African-Americans in the hope that stirring racial animosity would help his campaign. Scenario 2 is that Trump is faking any knowledge of crime and didn't realize that the stats were fake. The fact that most murders of both white and black people are committed by people of the same race is a very basic fact of crime in the U.S. So if the retweet was due to lack of knowledge, that means that Trump is so incredibly ignorant about crime that no reasonable person should take anything he says about crime seriously. But under scenario 2, it's pretty certain that Trump is immensely racist. Why wouldn't Trump question that some rando tweeting about black people being overwhelming responsible for the murders of white people? Why wouldn't be bother to verify it? Why would he think this (of the hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of replies he receives) is worthy of being retweeted to his followers during the campaign? The logical explanation is that Trump's pre-existing beliefs about African-Americans are so negative, he'd assume it to be true and a major issue to rile public opinion against it. And if Trump cared about fighting racism, at a bare minimum he would respond by apologizing and pledging to educate himself about issues regarding racism and crime. Instead, he didn't even admit the original tweet was factual wrong. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 2, 2018 21:17:18 GMT -5
All this talk about 'racist Trump' and yet its under his administration that black unemployment hit a record low.
Even Trump-hating CNN reported it.
Clearly, racist Trump should have made sure these jobs go to anyone else so the detractors on this board can scream bloody murder like they do just about anything else.
All very true...but specifically what policies enacted by President Trump lead to this? |
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 2, 2018 21:27:14 GMT -5
Screaming bloody murder = giving examples that show racism by Trump.
Adult dialogue = calling Rachel Maddow Mad Cow or Don Lemon Lemonheads?
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Post by impulse on Dec 2, 2018 23:27:02 GMT -5
Yup. Cite years-ongoing trend as if Trump (or any president really) had anything to do with it? Check. While insulting people who you disagree with? Check. Get called on it and deflect by attacking poster and not the ideas? Check.
Post actual accomplishments/reasons you support him? Still waiting.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 2, 2018 23:43:07 GMT -5
Adult dialogue = calling Rachel Maddow Mad Cow or Don Lemon Lemonheads?
Do you raise this when labels are used on Trump?
Of course not, that must seem extremely adult to the likes of you.
Um, actually I have. Earlier in this thread I said if someone is against name-calling (like Trump does so much of) it seems wrong to indulge in it yourself and that covers all sides. Not everyone is extreme, I have many conservative political opinions and beliefs, but then whatever Trump may be he's hardly conservative. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 3, 2018 6:14:54 GMT -5
All this talk about 'racist Trump' and yet its under his administration that black unemployment hit a record low.
Even Trump-hating CNN reported it.
Clearly, racist Trump should have made sure these jobs go to anyone else so the detractors on this board can scream bloody murder like they do just about anything else.
What you posted is indeed a fact about black unemployment, yet nowhere in the article is there the slightest intimation that any of it had to do with the actions of POTUS Donald J. Trump (I've decided to no longer use nicknames for him, since apparently that is a yuge no-no even though he himself is a master of it). It's almost as if the economy was recovering on its own and he just had the luck of being the guy in the Oval Office when this news came out. Next thing we know, you'll give him credit for the sun coming up this morning or water being wet since those both happened during his term as POTUS as well. I really don't understand you. You seem smart, but then you post things like a picture of POTUS Donald J. Trump with some black folks and say it's proof he's not racist, or that he should have had jobs go to non-blacks, as though he has any control over it. I don't believe you are uninformed about how politics and the economy work, so my only other thought is that you're trolling as performance art. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 3, 2018 6:47:16 GMT -5
*Sound of a gavel frenetically hitting wood*
Order! Order on the board! This assembly will refrain from calling each other names and stick to discussing politics, or the thread will be locked!
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Post by impulse on Dec 3, 2018 8:39:09 GMT -5
I don't believe you are uninformed about how politics and the economy work, so my only other thought is that you're trolling as performance art. In a thread where bashing Trump 24/7 is par for the course, I would appear as a troll to those whose hateful/resentful line I refuse to tow. I've also said much earlier on, when I used to post as RAZORMAID, that my hubby (who's American) has family who were part of a campaign team in one of the winning states and one that was lost by a not-so-huge margin. This thread has basically descended into the depths of someone calling Trump supporters slavering racists and other condescending remarks where they are addressed with scorn and incredulity, perhaps that is the performance art you prefer.
I'm still just over here waiting for someone to post one single positive accomplishment by Trump as POTUS. One begins to wonder whether any actually exist. In general, folks who make fact-supported arguments and cite credible sources tend not to bump into the problem of being perceived as trolling. Not saying that's what you're doing, but if you had some and posted them it seems to me it could clear a lot of this up and help folks understand your perspective more than bashing Hellary and Don Lemonhead and the other Dumbocrats, accusing us of 24/7 whining, etc. Also there would be a lot fewer complaints about Trump if he would stop doing and saying awful things. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 3, 2018 8:49:32 GMT -5
I don't believe you are uninformed about how politics and the economy work, so my only other thought is that you're trolling as performance art.
In a thread where bashing Trump 24/7 is par for the course, I would appear as a troll to those whose hateful/resentful line I refuse to tow. I've also said much earlier on, when I used to post as RAZORMAID, that my hubby (who's American) has family who were part of a campaign team in one of the winning states and one that was lost by a not-so-huge margin. This thread has basically descended into the depths of someone calling Trump supporters slavering racists and other condescending remarks where they are addressed with scorn and incredulity, perhaps that is the performance art you prefer.
I don't understand what is "hateful" or "resentful" about discussing the words, action, and policies of POTUS Donald J. Trump in an open and honest manner. Many of us don't think he's doing a great job, and we see the damage his divisive and angry rhetoric is having on this country and, to a larger extent, the world at large. The man deserves to be bashed. He traffics in bullying not only his opponents but members of his own party who do not kiss his ring. His demonization of every race, creed and color of "other" people has led to a huge upturn in hate crimes and anti-Semitism in the US. His shady business dealings with Russia have more than likely compromised his judgment in regard to his attitude toward them on the world stage. As others have asked you, just what is it that you find so appealing and positive about POTUS Donald J. Trump, because many of us struggle to see even the slightest shred of decency in the man? |
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