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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 2, 2014 14:31:28 GMT -5
You do realize they'll be gone in 13 days? And then copies may be on private hard drives, but no longer on the Internet unless somebody decides to host them. Yep. Long enough for people to get what they need, at least. This is.. i think. the third time this has happened in the time I've been here. (Although the first time it was done on purpose.) I think of message board stuff as transitory, anyway I suppose. That's.. a really good idea. I'd like to have the old boards there as a closed archive. Which is unfortunate... But, from my perspective, it would be worth it to cut down on some of the residual craziness. I can see the logic in a quick, clean break from the past. |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on May 2, 2014 14:41:31 GMT -5
By the way...this is the exact quote I got banned for when talking with someone else regarding the cover of Teen Titans #1. Me and another user had differing opinions on artistic approach within the comic book industry. I received a week ban for using the phrase "big knockers" once. You can see the entire post in context here: community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?736-Taking-a-Stand-I-Support-Janelle-Asselin-s-critique-of-Teen-Titans-1&p=12813&viewfull=1#post12813So afterward I took a look at the new forum rules there were updated on the site by Jonah. This stuck out in particular: You can see the entire set of rules here: community.comicbookresources.com/announcement.php?f=2&a=1So what in the world rule did I break? You're telling me "big knockers" wouldn't possibly be in a PG-13 film? What I said wasn't towards anyone in particular and it wasn't out of malice. I wasn't insulting or offending anyone and didn't have those intentions. This is what I'm talking about with not having off-the-cuff conversations now. I'm going to talk to Jonah once my ban is lifted and ask for some explaining. I think I should at least been warned. Already tried emailing the CBR staff. No response of course. Hopefully I don't get a perma-ban for talking back to the master. Ridiculous. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on May 2, 2014 14:46:09 GMT -5
Yep. Long enough for people to get what they need, at least. This is.. i think. the third time this has happened in the time I've been here. (Although the first time it was done on purpose.) I think of message board stuff as transitory, anyway I suppose. That's.. a really good idea. I'd like to have the old boards there as a closed archive. Which is unfortunate... But, from my perspective, it would be worth it to cut down on some of the residual craziness. I can see the logic in a quick, clean break from the past. If the history of human nature shows us anything, it's that it won't work for long. Either the mods will slack off and the craziness will get worse because many of the more reasonable posters have been chased off. Or the boards will remain strictly regulated, with the mod-mandated smiles firmly in place, and the level of discussion will dwindle down to fanboy gushing about the kewlness of the the latest Liefeld wannabe. The debate equivalent of mushed up baby cerial. And what was done wasn't so much a clean break, as it was using a tactical nuke to incinerate a city block because some of the houses had roaches. |
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Post by the4thpip on May 2, 2014 14:55:33 GMT -5
papashogun Avatar May 2, 2014 21:41:31 GMT 2 papashogun said: By the way...this is the exact quote I got banned for when talking with someone else regarding the cover of Teen Titans #1. Me and another user had differing opinions on artistic approach within the comic book industry. I received a week ban for using the phrase "big knockers" once. Ed Benes always illustrates big knockers on his women and throws in ass shots in his interiors. You can see the entire post in context here: community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?736-Taking-a-Stand-I-Support-Janelle-Asselin-s-critique-of-Teen-Titans-1&p=12813&viewfull=1#post12813So afterward I took a look at the new forum rules there were updated on the site by Jonah. This stuck out in particular: PROFANITY Consider CBR a PG-13 site. We allow some swearing, but don’t overdo it. This applies when self-censoring as well, we appreciate the f**king effort but take it easy when using that s**t. Profanity is FORBIDDEN in thread titles, censored or not. You can see the entire set of rules here: community.comicbookresources.com/announcement.php?f=2&a=1So what in the world rule did I break? You're telling me "big knockers" wouldn't possibly be in a PG-13 film? What I said wasn't towards anyone in particular and it wasn't out of malice. I wasn't insulting or offending anyone and didn't have those intentions. This is what I'm talking about with not having off-the-cuff conversations now. I'm going to talk to Jonah once my ban is lifted and ask for some explaining. I think I should at least been warned. Already tried emailing the CBR staff. No response of course. Hopefully I don't get a perma-ban for talking back to the master. Ridiculous. You were being mean to Ed Benes! |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 2, 2014 15:01:41 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't have a problem with any of the changes. "We need this community to not be a place which results in women getting rape threats when they post a critique" strikes me as a laudable goal, and I don't think restarting the boards was over-reacting to the situation. (Rape threats? Hacking into this woman's bank account? Geezus fuck!) Well, when you put it like that, it is indeed hard to disagree! There are seriously disturbed individuals out there. Rape threats over a comic-book critique, for crying out loud!!! They can, after a fashion, but we can't just export them over to another board. I'm still not sure it's even ethical to repost anything that I didn't write in the first place. And going through the motions of finding the old posts, turning their html code to something that can be pasted on a BB code board and then deleted all the extraneous code takes a lot of time. Not impossible, but a bummer in any case. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 2, 2014 15:54:11 GMT -5
If the history of human nature shows us anything, it's that it won't work for long. Either the mods will slack off and the craziness will get worse because many of the more reasonable posters have been chased off. Or the boards will remain strictly regulated, with the mod-mandated smiles firmly in place, and the level of discussion will dwindle down to fanboy gushing about the kewlness of the the latest Liefeld wannabe. The debate equivalent of mushed up baby cerial. And what was done wasn't so much a clean break, as it was using a tactical nuke to incinerate a city block because some of the houses had roaches. Well, I think that a tactical nuke was an appropriate response to rape threats. Hopefully you're wrong about the rest, but I dunno... I'm hoping this will result in an all-round improvement. There does seem to be a crazy streak to a lot of comics fans. - Not us, of course. We are exemplary human beings and sexual dynamos - but there is a subset of the adults-who-are-really-into-juvenille-fantasy-characters that don't seem to be properly or effectively socialized, at least on the internet. Attacking the commentator feels like just another way to make them feel powerful, like Bloodsport or whatever the hell they're doing with Batman now-a-days. A large THIS WILL NOT STAND line in the sand might, maybe make some people reconsider their behavior. And if so, it's absolutely worth it. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on May 2, 2014 16:14:26 GMT -5
I would firmly stand behind any and all measures taken against any deviant bastard that participated in the rape/violence threats against her or anyone else. Or any others with consistantly or blatently abusive histories. Nuke the guilty idiots, fine. Why did everything else have to get nuked? Was my membership such an affront that it had be revoked, along with everyone elses? Were review threads of Kyle Richmond, Adam Warlock, et al, so subversive that they had to be burned? Why the new jack-booted, you-will-smile-when-the-emperor-kicks-you-in-the-nuts, repressive attitude? They removed the cancer from the patient by cremating the still living body. |
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Post by the4thpip on May 2, 2014 16:16:09 GMT -5
I am loving everything about this new board except the quote feature.  |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 2, 2014 16:23:21 GMT -5
I am loving everything about this new board except the quote feature. You have to go to the BBCode tab, to erase the parts of the quote you want. |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 2, 2014 16:32:07 GMT -5
Was my membership such an affront that it had be revoked, along with everyone elses? Were review threads of Kyle Richmond, Adam Warlock, et al, so subversive that they had to be burned? I can think of a reason, but he was unable/unwilling to give it, in 58 pages of a thread he finally nuked too. Not saying he was right to do it. Just that there actually might be some logic behind the measure. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 2, 2014 16:39:11 GMT -5
I would firmly stand behind any and all measures taken against any deviant bastard that participated in the rape/violence threats against her or anyone else. Or any others with consistantly or blatently abusive histories. Nuke the guilty idiots, fine. Why did everything else have to get nuked? Was my membership such an affront that it had be revoked, along with everyone elses? Were review threads of Kyle Richmond, Adam Warlock, et al, so subversive that they had to be burned? Why the new jack-booted, you-will-smile-when-the-emperor-kicks-you-in-the-nuts, repressive attitude? They removed the cancer from the patient by cremating the still living body. They figured the whole board needed an enema? They're saying This is a New, Different Environment? I do wish we hadn't been caught in the crossfire... and it IS worrying that people are being banned for bullshit reasons. But I'm actually kind of glad to see the Marvel and DC sections get Crisisised. |
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Post by superecwfan1 on May 2, 2014 16:53:41 GMT -5
So why was it that Jonah shut down Classic's? It was the one place where good manners ruled. Honestly I was rather surprised. Its great to see you back. Before I was.....well...banned I asked if new CBR was all this new stuff ....would they bring back old posters like you and Paul. |
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Post by impulse on May 2, 2014 17:15:01 GMT -5
All righty!!! Let's try some good, old-fashioned manual multi-quoting! I apologize now if this formatting gets all jacked up. I would just like the new CBR Forums to copy the layout of the old one. It would make it much simpler to use, and I believe lead to things getting back to normal at a much quicker pace. Right on. I have no problem with the stated intent of what they were doing. I'm just appalled at how they went about it. Edit: To be clear, I did also mention that I thought telling folks how to feel about the changes might not take them where they want to go. That could explain someone getting the impression that I am against an open/fun/accepting community. Seriously. There are few things that piss people off more than telling them how they should feel, particularly when you just did something that upset them. Regardless of whether or not they think they are doing right, they had to know people would be upset. I'm surprised and disappointed at how callous they have been about it. Deleting all the old, badly moderated threads along with all the good, useful threads from the past decade will sever to do one thing, though: Sweep CBR's accountability under the rug. See, that's what I'm thinking. Couldn't they have accomplished the same thing with a big massive notice on the main page, absolutely nuking and destroying the problem threads and banning all of the trolls and unsavory folks they have been clearly itching to do away with for a while, throwing up the new mission statement and rigidly enforcing it? The impression I got is that Classic Comics, Media, Image, and many others had nothing to do with these problems and were utterly unaware. If the X-boards are a cesspit? Fine, nuke them. New threads for the new issues will be up in minutes anyway. Yeah, I wish they would, too. That's personally the biggest loss for me. All that content, history, memories. I was distraught at first before i realized they had the old boards up for the two weeks. I thought they had just eliminated everything with no warning, and that was so far from okay. Now that I know better, I'm downloading like a fiend, but there's not an easy or quick way to do it. Its great to see you back. Before I was.....well...banned I asked if new CBR was all this new stuff ....would they bring back old posters like you and Paul. All right! Glad you made it over. It's a bit silly you got banned, but i guess you didnt step in line.. |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 2, 2014 17:24:26 GMT -5
Couldn't they have accomplished the same thing with a big massive notice on the main page, absolutely nuking and destroying the problem threads and banning all of the trolls and unsavory folks they have been clearly itching to do away with for a while, throwing up the new mission statement and rigidly enforcing it? The impression I got is that Classic Comics, Media, Image, and many others had nothing to do with these problems and were utterly unaware. If the X-boards are a cesspit? Fine, nuke them. New threads for the new issues will be up in minutes anyway. To do that properly, you need a lot of people putting a lot of hours. Seeing how insufficient moderation was one of the problems, you end up getting what you pay for, which in this case is nothing. |
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Post by impulse on May 2, 2014 17:26:06 GMT -5
Couldn't they have accomplished the same thing with a big massive notice on the main page, absolutely nuking and destroying the problem threads and banning all of the trolls and unsavory folks they have been clearly itching to do away with for a while, throwing up the new mission statement and rigidly enforcing it? The impression I got is that Classic Comics, Media, Image, and many others had nothing to do with these problems and were utterly unaware. If the X-boards are a cesspit? Fine, nuke them. New threads for the new issues will be up in minutes anyway. To do that properly, you need a lot of people putting a lot of hours. Seeing how insufficient moderation was one of the problems, you end up getting what you pay for, which in this case is nothing. Touche. Shoot, I'd pay money for an easy way to keep my old threads easily... And I guess there will be a lot less people and discussions to mods, so their workload should be improving soon.  |
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