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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 13, 2014 21:20:43 GMT -5
Fit of pique, not fit of peak. That aside, excellent analysis! Cei-U! I summon Howdy Doody's big brother! I honestly knew that was wrong...And I honestly was just too lazy to look it up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 21:23:46 GMT -5
Fit of pique, not fit of peak. That aside, excellent analysis! Cei-U! I summon Howdy Doody's big brother! I honestly knew that was wrong...And I honestly was just too lazy to look it up. So, that bag o'spuds is really a bag o' couch potatoes....slacker royalty -M
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 14, 2014 0:53:40 GMT -5
By the way, Slam, I slowed down so you could catch up with me (I'm currently in May 1963). Don't allow having a life to slow you down. We need to get to the Galactus Saga before Christmas, or there will be hell to pay...
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 14, 2014 9:28:52 GMT -5
By the way, Slam, I slowed down so you could catch up with me (I'm currently in May 1963). Don't allow having a life to slow you down. We need to get to the Galactus Saga before Christmas, or there will be hell to pay... At the rate I'm going...I may well never catch you. Particularly as the line starts to expand. March 1963 is the critical month...the real beginning of the Marvel Universe and the start of the expansion of the line. Bring on the Hell because I can't see me getting to Galactus by Christmas. I'm also trying to anticipate how I'm going to deal with muliti-part stories. Sigh!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 14, 2014 9:36:22 GMT -5
I hear you. It's easy going not only because of the dearth of titles early on, but because most of them are 12 or 13 pagers. It's amazing how much longer they take to read compared to some of the new stuff I'm reading; I read Walt Simonson's Ragnarok #2 last night and it barely took me 10 minutes, even pausing to admire the panels. Most old comics take me 20-30 minutes.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 14, 2014 9:47:13 GMT -5
The reading takes awhile. The writing takes a lot longer. And I'm going almost panel by panel looking for stuff to comment on. So I end up reading each story two or three times. And then I have to worry about Kurt catching me when I'm too lazy to look up the spelling of words.
I summon the Oops.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 19, 2014 11:05:33 GMT -5
Tales to Astonish 37 (Ant Man story) Plot by Stan Lee Script by Larry Lieber Pencils by Jack Kirby Inks by Dick Ayers Cover: We see our hero (barely visible) is being shot out of his travel catapult at the Protector. Another static cover with muted colors. The MU is not setting the world on fire because of its covers. The Story: We open with a 2/3 splash of Ant-man being menaced by The Protecter (yeah...it's spelled wrong in the title). The splash is a fair bit more interesting than the cover. We then see jeweler Gerald Marsh staggering to his feet (pay attention...this will become nonsensical later) and a police car racing to the scene of his shop. The wail of the siren is picked up by the Ant-Network and Ant-Man springs into action. Apparently he responds to every police call. We get a two-page intro to our hero...see him shrink...and shoot himself from his magic cannon into a pile of ants (because that has to be softer than the awning over the window). We do get an editor's note telling us there was a diagram of the ant portions of Pym's lab in the last issue. Our hero meets with Marsh who was attacked by The Protector, who has been shaking down jewelers for protection money. Since Marsh hadn't paid he used his “disintegrator gun”to disintegrate Marsh's jewels and half his display case (pay attention...that becomes important later). Then for good measure he knocks Marsh unconscious. Why he disintegrates the jewels instead of taking them for payment...we don't know. As Ant-Man leaves, and catches a ride on a passing car, he is watched by mysterious eyes. Back at the Ant-Lair Pym sets his ant buddies to respond to the verbal stimuli of “Protector and disintegrating gun”. I'm pretty sure that ants don't actually hear like we do what with not having ears...but okay. But somehow they do hear and Ant-Man cannons to the scene...but the ants can't for an ex-skeleton hardened hill...so he has to land in a baby carriage, jump into the cuff of a pair of trousers and then to the ground. It might have been easier and safer to go there full size and then shrink. But The Protector is there shaking down a jeweler and wearing an outfit he clearly put together from a thrift store. Our intrepid hero confronts him with the bane of villains everywhere...a pearl necklace. Yeah...really. And in true Keystone Cops fashion The Protector slips on the pearls and falls on his keister. Then, instead of trying to finish the battle while his opponent is down, Anty decides to take the battle outside where there is more room (and more opportunity for the foe to escape or find weapons). The Protector uses a squirt gun, stolen from a convenient passing child, to wash Ant-man into a storm drain. Now this is far before the days of the Super Soaker...and we have that issue of him retaining his normal strength...but...yeah. Honestly, if you're a super hero and you need to be concerned about a child's water pistol...you maybe should find a new line of work. Like super scientist. But Anty saves himself from the sewer by a handy lollipop stick while The Protector escapes. I'm sure if he had to do it all over he'd have tried to capture him inside. The obvious plan at this point is to rent a jewelry store and wait for the Protector to come shake him down. Which is exactly what Hank does. And it works, as The Protector comes and demands protection money. To demonstrate his power he disintegrates half a display case and all of its contents (this will become important). Exactly how the poor jeweler is supposed to make any money to pay the protection with a large part of his inventory gone is an open question. The Protector leaves and Hank turns into Ant-Man. At miniature size he notices that there is oil where Protector was standing and he then uses the Ant Network to track him to a tenement building. But alas, the Protector has set a trap, because it was self-evident to him that Ant-Man would eventually track him down. And our hero falls prey to something more deadly than a squirt gun...the dreaded vacuum cleaner. Luckily Hank remembers he has his normal strength and is able to punch his way out of a paper vacuum cleaner bag (it's not even a wet paper bag). He then starts a fan which blows the dirt and dust from the bag into the Protector's face disabling him while the police (alerted by ants who can spell) arrive to take him into custody. And low and behold, the reveal is that it's...Aunt Jebedissa...no...Old Man Jenkins...no...sorry Scooby...it's it's Marsh, the Jeweler. Ant-Man suspected him because it made no sense for The Protector to beat him up when his business is poor (Pym clearly doesn't understand how protection rackets actually work). His “feats of strength” were due to platform shoes and metal rods and springs (a poor explanation of what is clearly a mechanical exo-skeleton drawn by Kirby). Except the only real feats of strength we saw were when he attacked Marsh. And the disintegrate gun didn't actually work. It emitted a “puff of smoke” and then he'd steal the jewels and leave sand in their place. Another case solved by The Ant-Man. Thoughts… There is no reason for Marsh to be staggering to his feet in the first story panel. NOTHING HAPPENED. And nobody is there yet. It's stuff like this that made me thing that these stories were done Marvel style and Lieber wasn't tracking Kirby. It appears that Lieber was just an awful scripter. And the Disintegrator doesn't disintegrate the jewels...he steals them in seconds and leave sand in their place. But...the display cases are clearly disintegrated. Again...Lieber is clueless. You can do some cool stuff with a mini-hero...but they aren't doing it here. If you're a super-hero and you're being menaced by squirt guns and vacuum cleaners there's a problem. A third Scooby Doo unmasking in a row from Leiber. Pym never seems to think to grow to full size when he's in perilous peril. He's not the brightest of super-scientists. Could one actually rent a fully stocked jewelry store in 1962. Pym clearly has some significant cash reserves. If you can build a mechanical exoskeleton that gives you enhanced strength...maybe you should get out of the jewelry biz and...y'know...do that for a living. The art here is really pretty darn good. How is it that Kirby/Ayers looks so good here and so dang bad on Fantastic Four and Human Torch. Page 3, Panel 1 showing Ant-Man after he's catapulted flying toward the reader is a thing of beauty. The Story. This story is awful. There's virtually nothing here that makes any sense at all. The Art: This may be as good as we've seen from Kirby/Ayers. There is a definite sense that Kirby is really enjoying the ant's eye view of the world. And Ayers isn't doing his usual hatchet job on the faces and figures. The toll: A broken pearl necklace. A jewelry showcase. Hank is pretty darn good about not causing collateral damage. Grade for historic importance: F. Lame one-shot villain in a nothing story. . Story – D - Art – B +
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 19, 2014 11:18:22 GMT -5
I would defend this story but it's pretty much indefensible.
Cei-U! I summon the squirt gun!
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 19, 2014 11:27:28 GMT -5
I love it when tiny heroes make use of props (like the Atom using a pencil to pole vault) or get menaced by everyday objects (like the squirt gun or the vacuum cleaner, or like that time the Porcupine took off Ant-Man's helmet with tweezers and then dropped him in a bathtub full of water and left him to drown). Why have a tiny super-hero if you can't make use of everyday objects in silly ways? (Although I can see why tiny super-heroes don't do so well because you eventually run out of ideas.)
But you're absolutely right about the Protector's scheme. I bought TTA #37 for $5 (in the 1970s) when I was about 13 and my friends and I really had a blast making fun of this.
But, yeah, that Kirby/Ayers art is SWEET!
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 19, 2014 11:45:03 GMT -5
I read Fantastic Four #7 the other day and despite the way it was savaged in this thread, I liked it. There's a goofy charm to a lot of the early Marvels that draws you in. Also, there was a lot of fast paced movement in the story and different locales that made it interesting. First they're at a dinner, then they are fighting their way out of the banquet, afterwards they are swept off into another world. I like how he reduced them all at the end. Nowadays, they would have made it a 6 parter with all those scene changes.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 19, 2014 17:21:59 GMT -5
Larry Leiber is to Stan Lee as Yoko Ono was to John Lennon. Neither Larry or Yoko would be in the business without their more talented partners looking out for them. If you liked Stan Lennon, you had to put up with Larry Ono
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 20, 2014 3:01:24 GMT -5
It does amuse me how early in Marvel's Silver Age, petty thieves could easily afford exoskeleton's, giant robots and submarine's (see The Puppet Masters next appearance in FF!).
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Post by Confessor on Oct 20, 2014 6:44:45 GMT -5
Another static cover with muted colors. The MU is not setting the world on fire because of its covers. I love the muted colours on the covers of early '60s Marvel comics, especially compared to later, more garish re-colourings of those covers (mid-'80s Marvel Tales, I'm looking at you). But you raise a point that I've often wondered about: how did those early Marvel's attract ever increasing numbers of readers, when the brighter covers of their competitors must've "jumped out" much more at kids browsing the spinner racks? Larry Leiber is to Stan Lee as Yoko Ono was to John Lennon. Neither Larry or Yoko would be in the business without their more talented partners looking out for them. If you liked Stan Lennon, you had to put up with Larry Ono That's one hell of an analogy...but I like it.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 20, 2014 9:33:23 GMT -5
It does amuse me how early in Marvel's Silver Age, petty thieves could easily afford exoskeleton's, giant robots and submarine's (see The Puppet Masters next appearance in FF!). The Puppet Master was bad enough in his first appearance. His midtown apartment had to be the size of a warehouse to hold all the puppets, dioramas, life size robot puppet and jet-powered flying horse puppet. Just how much "radioactive" clay did that guy have?
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 20, 2014 9:38:00 GMT -5
I read years later that there is a person that supplies criminals with the tech for a fee. I guess anything can be explained away.
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