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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 20, 2014 9:58:33 GMT -5
In FF #14, it's explained in a caption that the Puppet Master's sub is "Navy surplus." So, in the Marvel Universe, do they auction submarine's like mob cars? Do they do background checks at all?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 20, 2014 9:59:55 GMT -5
Maybe they sell Polaris subs in funnybook advertisements like in the real world.
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Post by MDG on Oct 20, 2014 12:09:48 GMT -5
In FF #14, it's explained in a caption that the Puppet Master's sub is "Navy surplus." So, in the Marvel Universe, do they auction submarine's like mob cars? Do they do background checks at all? I believe now they offer them to police departments.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 20, 2014 12:12:37 GMT -5
In FF #14, it's explained in a caption that the Puppet Master's sub is "Navy surplus." So, in the Marvel Universe, do they auction submarine's like mob cars? Do they do background checks at all? I believe now they offer them to police departments. Terrorist subs may be lurking in Lake Champlain.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 20, 2014 14:45:18 GMT -5
In FF #14, it's explained in a caption that the Puppet Master's sub is "Navy surplus." So, in the Marvel Universe, do they auction submarine's like mob cars? Do they do background checks at all? I believe now they offer them to police departments. Because Black Manta and his minions may be ready to strike in YOUR town!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 25, 2014 15:34:42 GMT -5
Strange Tales 102 (Human Torch story) “Prisoner of the Wizard” Plot by Stan Lee Script by Larry Lieber Pencils by Jack Kirby Inks by Dick Ayers Cover: The Torch only gets roughly 1/3 of the cover between the masthead and the other two stories. We see him flamed on and flying as he approaches someone we can only assume is The Wizard. The Wizard is holding a gun on him and apparently is sad because he has a very long face. The robot menacing the man in one of the other vignettes is marginally more interesting. The Story: We open with a splash of what appears to be the Torch melting his way through a bank vault door. The title of the story continues the grand tradition of the FF being captured by someone. The next page recaps the last issue and starts our introduction to The Wizard who has a very long face and is the self-professed “World's Greatest Brain/” We find that he's invented an “air chair,” has an ultra-modern home that removes your hat and coat automatically, bested the funkiest “electronic calculating machine” at chess, and performed Houdini like escapes (in a manner that would have had to have killed him if physics worked in the MU the way it does in our universe). So, of course, the only challenge left is for him to “defeat the Human Torch.” Not, y'know, maybe Reed Richards who has a comparable brain...nope...gotta be a teen wonder because he has his own feature. In order to start this plan Wiz invents an “atomic powered drill” that you ride in...and that somehow disposes of the displaced earth and rock and automatically puts up supports because...well because atomic = magic. Of course it's all a ruse to pretend that he's trapped and lure the Torch into rescuing him which the Torch does by flying down as Wiz is “running out of air...because his flame won't speed up the use of oxygen. And we get the obligatory burning through rock. Torch saves him and is invited to Wizzies wonder home to see his etchings, I mean inventions. Wiz wants to take a photo of him with his 3-D photograph and Johnny is curious what he'll look like in a 3-D photo, because apparently he's never seen a statue. But it's a trap. The device shoots out chemicals that douse Johnny's flame...except his face, because that would reveal his secret identity that the world already knows. Wiz locks him in an asbestos cell and then dons a Human Torch suit that duplicates Johnny's powers, yet leaves his face unburnt somehow. Wiz then goes on a crime spree robbing a bank (splash) and letting loose a bunch of prisoners. His Johnny suit is soooo good that he can melt a vault door, burn through a stone prison wall (instead of just flying over it), throw fireballs and turn the flame off to his bare hands that had previously been gloved. He's even so bad that he sky-writes in flame “Down with Law and Order/” The horror. Meanwhile, the chemicals wear off and Johnny can fully flame again (as opposed to just his face). And he is able to flame hot enough to burn through the asbestos (so we better never see him defeated by asbestos again (yeah...that's likely)). As he flies around the police shoot at him for Wiz's actions. He does find the Wizard, but apparently can't attack him because The Wizard is unarmed...because...well the plot says so, dangit. Wiz tells him to come to his home for a final showdown and Johnny makes a mysterious phone call that will fix everything. At the Wiz home, Wizzy shows Johnny pictures that prove he was impersonating Johnny. He offers to fight Johnny mano-a-mano for them with no flame or he'll burn the pics (irony). If Johnny flames off then Wiz will know his secret identity, which is already known to the whole world. But Johnny uses his secret mental powers to make the pics float away and then captures the Wizard. The pics prove to the police that Johnny didn't commit the crimes and we find out that it was Invisible Girl who actually took the pics. She was actually useful for a change. The end. Thoughts… The secret identity is still stupid. Especially since it's apparently known that Sue is Invisible Girl and also lives in the same town as her brother and The Human Torch. And with that...I may leave this issue alone. Or not. We'll see. In doing some research, I was shocked at how often The Wizard has appeared. I always thought of him as low B-List or C-List as a villain, but he appears significantly more than the Puppet Master who I have always considered a bigger baddy. Weird. The Wizard isn't terribly interesting. Really a play on the mad-scientist motif. I do like his long face though. The Torches powers are entirely plot driven. While he burns out his powers all the time in FF, he never does in this story even though he's flamed on pretty much the whole time. And keeping his face flamed while the rest of him was covered in chemicals was pretty absurd. And he can now burn through asbestos...I bet later he can't though. The Wizard has a gas powerful enough to blow open a steel safe...but the pressure doesn't pulp his bones...uh...yeah. Magic. This is the second time that Johnny's powers have been duplicated almost precisely. And the Skrulls duplicated the entire Four's powers. It seems they aren't that unique and heroic after all. The Wizard isn't much of a genius if he takes incriminating photos of himself. I expect that of a teen putting his stupidity on YouTube. Not of the “Greatest Brain in the World. I still don't get going after the Torch. His inventions made millions. If he's going after anyone to “prove” himself it should be Reed. This is the same old “silly motivation villain” trope we've seen for decades in comics. The Story. This is marginally better than the last story. Which is kind of damning with faint praise. It's kind of a silly meaningless story. Many issues...nothing terribly interesting. The Art: Is Kirby/Ayers. Not at their best. Not at their worst. The toll: The wall of Wizzy's asbestos cell.
Grade for historic importance: B. First Wizard. Which I didn't think was that big a deal. But he's a pretty heavily used villain. Story – C-/D+ Ehh. Art – C.
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 25, 2014 16:04:38 GMT -5
The first Wizard story is one that I love despite its flaws. I love these CRA-ZEE Silver Age Human Torch stories! Especially when they have Kirby/Ayers art.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 25, 2014 17:46:59 GMT -5
I think I'd rather read the two robot stories
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 25, 2014 18:40:46 GMT -5
I think I'd rather read the two robot stories Those are good too!
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 25, 2014 19:14:01 GMT -5
The Wizard, like the Ringmaster and a number of other long-faced Kirby villains, is almost certainly modeled after John Carradine.
Cei-U! I summon the famous phiz!
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 25, 2014 20:55:24 GMT -5
The Wizard, like the Ringmaster and a number of other long-faced Kirby villains, is almost certainly modeled after John Carradine. Cei-U! I summon the famous phiz! John Carradine was one of a kind! He could give a great performance in a great Hollywood classic like "Of Mice and Men" and then he could play Dracula in a great genre film like "House of Frankenstein" or a not-so-great genre film like "Billy the Kid vs. Dracula." And then there's "Frankenstein Island," named the official worst Frankenstein movie ever made by at least one cult-film guide.
And then there's "Bluebeard," Voodoo Man," "The Unearthly" and "The Black Sleep."
And let's not forget that he's one of the hunters that interrupts the monster and the blind man in "Bride of Frankenstein."
And "The Howling." "The Shootist." "The Monster Club." (I could do this all night.)
Oh, yeah! "Stagecoach!"
Next time I read a story with the Wizard, I'll read his lines out loud with a John Carradine imitation.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Oct 25, 2014 23:28:21 GMT -5
Poor Slam-never knowing how many Larry Leiber comics he would have to read when he committed himself to this thread. Hang tough, true believer, hang tough
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 25, 2014 23:56:40 GMT -5
Poor Slam-never knowing how many Larry Leiber comics he would have to read when he committed himself to this thread. Hang tough, true believer, hang tough Oh I knew. I've read every one of these at least once, though in most cases it's been at least a decade. I don't think I get to anything I haven't read before until I get to Sgt. Fury.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 26, 2014 8:16:00 GMT -5
I'm currently stuck at May of 1963 and I find it hard to muster the resolve to get past those Leiber issues, particularly on Thor. The last time I did this (last time I got to late 1966) I kept having to fight the urge to ignore anything not written or drawn by Lee/Kirby/Ditko. It's so hard! Marvel seriously needed the injection of Buscema and Romita Sr. in the mid-60's.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 26, 2014 11:21:32 GMT -5
I'm currently stuck at May of 1963 and I find it hard to muster the resolve to get past those Leiber issues, particularly on Thor. The last time I did this (last time I got to late 1966) I kept having to fight the urge to ignore anything not written or drawn by Lee/Kirby/Ditko. It's so hard! Marvel seriously needed the injection of Buscema and Romita Sr. in the mid-60's. That's part of why I'm taking it fairly slow. I read that issue of Strange Tales a couple days ago. But life got in the way of writing the review. I read Hulk 4 yesterday..but the new Blacksad also came yesterday...so I re-read the first album.
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