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Post by wildfire2099 on May 9, 2017 7:45:34 GMT -5
Maybe the ants are catching him, not just functioning as pillows? Sorta like when in the westerns the hero jumps out of the 2nd or 3rd story window onto his horse and rides away?
Do I get a no prize?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 9, 2017 9:23:28 GMT -5
Maybe the ants are catching him, not just functioning as pillows? Sorta like when in the westerns the hero jumps out of the 2nd or 3rd story window onto his horse and rides away? Do I get a no prize? You get to see a surgeon for crushed testicles.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 9, 2017 11:01:10 GMT -5
There was Ant-Sex going on in that pile, too small for the Comics Code to see.
Ummmm..nice soft ants with slinky tentacles able to reach places only Reed Richards could duplicate. You can even mount a flying ant.Ummmmmm
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 13, 2017 17:06:47 GMT -5
Fantastic Four #11(a) “A Visit With the Fantastic Four” Written by Stan Lee Pencils by Jack Kirby Inks by Dick Ayers Cover: (Kirby/?) To me the only thing interesting about this cover is that it's called a “collectors' item” complete with misplaced apostrophe. I definitely haven't seen that before on a Marvel book. I guess it's marginally noteworthy that Ben is not in any way aggressive on the cover. The Story:
We open with a crowd queuing up to get the latest issue of FF while the FF walk down the sidewalk in civvies. They stop and talk to some kids who are playing Fantastic Four and give a demonstration of their powers. They then go to The Baxter Building where we first meet Willie Lumpkin carrying a huge sack of fan mail and Sue shows us again how the secret elevator works. The four decide to read through the fan mail which includes a spring-loaded boxing glove from the Yancy Streeters for Ben. Since Ben is upset Reed tries out a new formula which turns him from the Thing into Ben Grimm and allows him to run around in his underwear while human. At this point the gang, minus Johnny who has gotten bored, breaks the fourth wall to tell the fans how Ben and Reed met at “State U” and then fought in WWII with Ben being a fighter pilot and Reed a member of the OSS. And Reed mentions the girl he was dreaming about...which is only creepy if you do the math. We then get a two page recap of the origin before Sue talks about some “disturbing letters” she's been getting. It seems that the fans have been writing in that she doesn't do anything to help the team in their adventures. So instead of Stan and Jack actually using her in a reasonable way, Reed decides to lecture the readers with a bizarre diatribe about Abraham Lincoln's mother, complete with Lincoln bust in the background. Why Ben even gets so upset he changes back in to The Thing. But all's well that ends well because Johnny has actually been setting up a birthday party for Sue. Awwww!! Thoughts…This is a really odd story. There's tons to like. And there's tons that is just plain bizarre. I wouldn't want a habit of breaking the fourth wall, but I guess it works in this context. And it's actually cool to get some background on Reed and Ben and see a bit of a glimpse in to the lives of the gang when they aren't adventuring. But...damn...there's some weird stuff here. Tying Ben and Reed to WWII is interesting and kind of cool. Especially Reed being in the OSS. But if you do the math...factor in that Reed and Ben are in their thirties and Sue is in her twenties...then Reed was crushing on Sue when she was a pre-teen. And that's pretty creepy. The specter of Sub-Mariner puts a damper on Reed's professions of love. Look...let's face it. Sue has been useless. Add in the Torch's solo series and she's occasionally been a menace. So how about instead of a truly bizarre diatribe about Lincoln's mother you actually make her useful. Nahhhh...that would never work. And JEEZ! No wonder Ben has a complex. These people are assholes to him. Reed: “Welcome back to the Human race, Partner.” Sue: “Oh Ben. You're a real living doll again.” Sue: “I realize what a fool I've been indulging in self pity when I should be comforting you.” Because you're a hideous freak who isn't human. With friends like these who needs enemies? On the other hand, it was kind of cool the way they interacted with the kids playing FF...well except Ben was kind of a dick. The plot…There's good and there's bad. It's a terribly mixed story. And I absolutely wouldn't want one of them often. But the background info and the Day in the Life feel was fun. Grade: C+ The art...Fairly standard for the time...though The Thing looks particularly weird in some panels. Grade: C. The toll: A light pole that Ben crushes while showing off (one count malicious injury to municipal property). Ben crushes another dumbbell. Grade for historic importance: C. It's the first appearance of Willie Lumpkin. And there's some cool background info. It's not a super important story...but its got merit.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 13, 2017 18:32:33 GMT -5
Fantastic Four #11(b) “The Impossible Man” Written by Stan Lee Pencils by Jack Kirby Inks by Dick Ayers Cover: (Kirby/?) To me the only thing interesting about this cover is that it's called a “collectors' item” complete with misplaced apostrophe. I definitely haven't seen that before on a Marvel book. I guess it's marginally noteworthy that Ben is not in any way aggressive on the cover. The Story:
With a second story we get a second splash page showing the Impossible Man and the FF commenting on him. Then IM touches down in a hobo camp asking for food. The hobos tell him he should get a job so he'll have cash. They then tell him to go to a bank and get it...so he changes into a rocket and goes and takes the money from the bank. So IM goes to the bank and takes money from the bank and Mr. Howell. The FF is contacted to check on IM who they find in a restaurant eating. IM explains he's on vacation and doesn't understand why he wasn't stopped from taking the money...which means that the FF must attack and we get a prolonged fight scene that showcases the various powers of the FF and the wacky shape-shifting abilities of IM. Luckily after multiple pages of this silliness Reed comes up with the brilliant idea to ignore IM and since he gets bored he goes away. Sigh. Thoughts…The hobos are “legitimate hobos”. I'm uncertain what illegitimate hobos are. But the legitimate ones are kind of assholes. Mr. Howell the banker...Hmmmmmm. The bank apparently employs three armed guards (which seems excessive) have magic bullets that don't deform when they ricochet and don't hit anyone but an alien that's turned to steel. Instant evolution. Ummmm...I don't think evolution works that way. But at least it's not magic. No wonder IM is confused. They start out at punching and then end up ignoring him. Maybe if they'd tried to talk to him from the start maybe it all could have been avoided. But then we wouldn't have had multiple pages of wacky antics. IM is in the Myxyzptlk/Loki vein. But it appears he was very unpopular with the kids and didn't show up again for a long old time. The plot…There really wasn't much that was new or interesting here. It's mostly just a lot of wacky hijinks. Grade: C- The art...Fairly standard for the time...though The Thing looks particularly weird in some panels. Grade: C. The toll: One restaurant destroyed. Multiple cars destroyed. A helicopter destroyed. To be fair, most of this is Impossible Man damaging things...but the FF have some culpability too. Grade for historic importance: C. It's the first appearance of Impossible Man who will return.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 13, 2017 18:53:44 GMT -5
And thus we end the comics cover dated February 1963. Marvel published 10 comics cover dated Feb. 1963. Four superhero books, four romance books, a western, and an Atlas monster mag.
I would call this the end of the proto-MU. Why? Well, because I don't think it's any hyperbole to say that the books cover dated March 1963 ushered in the full on Marvel Universe. How is that for foreshadowing, True Believers?
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Post by Cei-U! on May 13, 2017 19:40:06 GMT -5
Can't remember where I heard it, but FF #11's cover inker was Kirby himself, one of only a few times at Marvel that he inked himself.
Cei-U! I summon the blue moon!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 13, 2017 19:53:21 GMT -5
Can't remember where I heard it, but FF #11's cover inker was Kirby himself, one of only a few times at Marvel that he inked himself. Cei-U! I summon the blue moon! I've seen it credited to Kirby as well. But the GCD credits it to Kirby with a question mark. So I'm not going to go out on a limb.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 14, 2017 21:28:44 GMT -5
I always thought Impossible Man was a bit silly...except the New Mutants annual where he has a 'duel' of sorts with Warlock.. THAT was pretty awesome.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 20, 2017 17:02:05 GMT -5
Tales to Astonish 41 (Ant Man story) “Prisoner of the Slave World” Plot by Stan Lee Script by Larry Lieber Art by Don Heck Cover: (Kirby/Ayers) I'm of two minds about this cover. On the one hand it definitely gives you sense of the size of Ant-Man and plays to those strengths. On the other hand it looks like he's trapped by a bug in a janitor's closet...and that ain't too cool. The Story: Hank Pym is going to visit a fellow scientist. The gent doesn't open the door so Hank decides to do a bit of unlawful entry as Ant-Man. He finds that the scientist isn't there, but the door was locked from the inside. Hank ponders how he could have gotten out of the house, conveniently forgetting he got in with the door locked. Upon returning home, he hears on the news that eminent scientists are coming up missing and figures he'll be next. He's so sure that he pays no attention when a window washer comes in to give a free washing to his labs windows and uses a “paralyzing liquid” on him. Pym is then transported to another dimension where a military strongman, Kulla, wants the Earth scientists to create an Electro-Death Ray to help him defeat the freedom lovers. Pym almost instantly mouths off and is sent to solitary confinement where he can change into Ant-Man. Hank shrinks down and has to fight and then control alien bugs after he is able to figure out their frequency. He then sneaks out of the cell just as the death ray is completed (guess they didn't need Pym after all). He breaks an electric eyebeam and is found out, whereupon he has to fight Kulla and his guard. Kulla is about to squash Pym with a hammer when Hank orders his alien bug friends to kill Kulla. YEP...they kill him with the death ray. Dead. The other scientists can't figure out where Ant-Man came from...because Hank Pym gets dragged off to the dungeon and Ant-Man serendipitously shows up. Nope...can't figure that one out at all. Marvel scientists are really dumb. Thoughts… This is probably the third time in the nascent MU that we've had a story of scientists being kidnapped by aliens or extra-dimensionals to do science for them. And again they're very scientifically advanced but somehow need the Earthers to do that one thing for them...in this case a death ray. They can move between dimensions and have a paralyzing formula, but can't create a frickin' death ray. And why don't they kidnap Reed Richards and Bruce Banner while they're at it. Banner, in particular, seems to be right up the alley for a death ray. Hank now can control alien bugs. Which makes no sense. It used to be that the ants helped him because he could talk to them. Just two issues ago he had to fight all the insects around because he couldn't control them but the Scarlet (Pink) Beetle could. Bu t now he can control alien bugs. We actually get someone trying to squish Ant-Man with his foot for the first time...which is actually pretty cool. The death ray really doesn't seem to be any better than a regular gun when it's used on Kulla. So I”m not sure why they really needed to kidnap those scientists. Yes...Hank acts in self defense. But I'm still shocked the Comics Code allowed him to kill Kulla. As to the art...Heck's panel layouts are a LOT more interesting and diverse than anything we've seen from Kirby so far. I don't know if Jack was just horribly overworked at this point or what, but overall his work on the early MU has been...weak. Heck is doing some interesting stuff in this issue. The Story. Ummm...another repeat plot. With a ton of nonsense. Bah! Grade: D- The Art: Don Heck makes his super-hero debut. I know a lot of people don't like Heck's work. I know that I've not cared for it at times. But I also find that not only has it grown on me, but that his work is very dependent on inkers. Bad inkers absolutely butcher his work. Overall, I'd say he is a breath of fresh air at this point in the MU. My only complaint is that Ant-Man was consistently Kirby's best Super-hero book to date, so I'd rather Heck had taken over something else. Art – B+ The toll: Hank KILLS a dude!!!! Grade for historic importance: B+/F I'm giving this two grades. The first is for the fact that its Don Heck's debut on super-hero books. The second is because this is a nothing story that had no effect whatsoever on Marvel history.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 12, 2017 21:44:47 GMT -5
Strange Tales 106 (Human Torch story) “The Threat of the Torrid Twosome ” Plot by Stan Lee Script by Larry Lieber Art by Dick Ayers Cover: (Kirby/Ayers) The cover suffers from far too much cover verbiage, muted coloring and the action isn't terribly compelling. I have to wonder if the appearance by the entire FF is a sign that all is not well with Johnny leading a book solo. The Story:
Johnny is practicing flying drills on the outskirts of town. When he finishes he takes pains to conceal his identity...though we overhear two youngsters talking about how he always changes his duds at the same time. Meanwhile, Carl Zante, has shown up at Sue and Johnny's house with a proposition for Johnny. Johnny doesn't understand how Zante can know he's the Human Torch, until Sue explains everyone knows and have just been going along with his stupidity. Zante is an Acrobat and wants Johnny to team up with him to fight crime. He plays on Johnny's vanity saying he's the most important member of the FF and that Reed is hogging all the money and the glory. Of course his thought bubbles show that he's playing Johnny for a fool...something that isn't very hard. Johnny flies off and confronts Reed who says that all the money they make goes into scientific research and they share the glory equally. This apparently does not satisfy the hot-head who goes off to join Zante, the Acrobat, as a member of The Torrid Twosome...no...that's not a porn title. Johnny even whips up a new costume, complete with a kicky beret out of some stray unstable molecule material that is laying around. Johnny seems to have gotten high marks in Home Ec. Sue tries to convince him not to go, but Johnny knows better. Zante conveniently has their first case...rescuing a guy trapped in a bank vault. That won't make any alarms go off in someone as dense as Johnny Storm. Johnny burns his way through the bank vault door and...low and behold...there's nobody there. Zante sprays him down with liquid asbestos and shoots him in the arm...and would have killed him if the gun didn't jam. Zante tries to escape, but Sue has brought the entire FF to town to help Johnny. They capture Zante in an instant...but then let him go, because Johnny wants to take him down himself, even though he's injured to the extent he can't fly right. Johnny does manage to capture Zante (one would hope, since he's just a decent acrobat) and then rejoins the FF...leaving his new costume made of unstable molecules behind for the world to find. Thoughts…
We're finally shed of the secret identity stupidity. It was a dumb idea. And the outcome just makes Johnny look like an idiot. It's not the last time he'll look like an idiot this issue. Zante actually shoots Johnny. And it's very clear he would have killed him had his gun not jammed. That's some serious stuff for this period. Easily the most blood-thirsty villain we've seen so far. Johnny claims to have been trying to draw Zante out into the open at the end of the story. But it's clear from his thought bubbles that he was completely drawn in by Zante and his story. This shows two things. Johnny isn't very bright (see also the secret identity). And he's a kid given to puffing himself up. I'll go with that, because otherwise he's a lying sociopath. It makes no sense whatsoever for the FF to release Zante and risk him escaping or hurting someone so that Johnny can finish the fight. Zante has shown he's willing to kill and Johnny is injured. It's stupid and irresponsible. But they had a few more pages they needed to fill. The explanation that the FF doesn't get a salary seems to place this story chronologically before Amazing Spider-Man #1 (foreshadowing). It doesn't, however, explain how the FF pay for living. The Torrid Twosome!! Even in 1963 that was NOT a good idea for a name. But then Johnny seems to change clothes in the alley a lot. I gotta think it's not a good idea to toss a costume made of unstable molecules into a random trashcan. The Story. The plus is we lose the secret identity. The minus is that this is otherwise another crappy Human Torch solo. Grade C- The Art: I've not been a fan of Kirby/Ayers in general. This is just Ayers. And overall it's better than what we've seen on this particular strip before. Grade: B- The toll: A bank vault door. Bank window. A stretch of melted asphalt. Grade for historic importance: C-. The Acrobat will only come back one time...but it's a fairly important return. A bit hard to rate this one.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 13, 2017 13:17:27 GMT -5
Heh, I wonder if they just simply realize the secret id thing was silly, or they were responding to fans... seems almost 4th wall breaking the way you describe it.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 13, 2017 13:35:55 GMT -5
Heh, I wonder if they just simply realize the secret id thing was silly, or they were responding to fans... seems almost 4th wall breaking the way you describe it. The fans brought it up in the letters page. And there was a response in one of the earlier Strange Tales issues that talked about how Johnny's buddies from FF #1 knew his secret, but they'd gone to college or the army or something. But the explanation still didn't hold water since the entire FF was outed at Miracle Man's stage show in FF #3 and again at the Washington dinner (which I believe was televised) in FF #7. I think it was both a response to the letters column and to it being a stupid idea. And I think it came about either because Stan forgot, or Larry Lieber didn't know what was going on in FF, or more likely both. Secret identities were traditional so I think they just went with it.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 16, 2017 17:08:07 GMT -5
Journey Into Mystery #90 (Thor story) “Trapped by the Carbon-Copy Man” Plot by Stan Lee Script by Larry Lieber Art by Al Hartley Cover: (Kirby/Ayers) Thor is in peril, being encased in ice by some creature that looks like a walking ruby, but is apparently the Carbon-Copy Man. There's nothing here that says carbon or copy...but okay. It's a perfectly okay cover that might have made a kid buy it to find out if Thor would escape. But it's nothing special. The Story: On another planet far beyond our galaxy, human-like aliens are preparing for an invasion. We have to assume they're going to invade Earth, or else we wouldn't have much of a story. Why they want to invade a planet in a distant galaxy is another matter...it just doesn't matter. We see around three dozen spaceships take off...this may become an issue later. Meanwhile Don Blake has decided to tell Jane Foster how he feels about her. But just as he starts, Odin reminds him that he is bound to never reveal his secret identity. So he goes off and Jane thinks he's been frightened by the thunder, unlike that brave handsome Thor. As he wanders off Blake finds that the laws have been changed. Cars now drive on the sidewalk. People must walk in the gutter. The bridge is being painted polka dot. Returning to his office he finds that Jane thinks this is all perfectly rational. It also appears that Jane has become a Republican and quits her job because Blake has been treating people without charging them. Blake turns into Thor to find out what is going on. But he's chased out of the mayor's office by armed guards. He decides to use the mystic powers of his hammer to “send his mind back in time and space to Asgard on a day when Odin counseled his sons.” The rest of us call this memory and don't need a mallet to access them. Using this advice and the power of logic and deduction, Thor determines that people are acting weird because they've been replaced by duplicates. Occam's Razor works again. Thor searches the city and finds a “hidden” spaceship. He conveniently decides to put his hammer down for a moment to check out the ship so that when it springs a magnetic trap on him, he will turn into Don Blake. The aliens come back and capture Blake who finds they've also captured the mayor and Jane Foster. The Skrulls....I mean The Xartans, can imitate anything. And it only makes sense to impersonate a nurse. They plan to impersonate key people to confuse the populace while a huge invasion force awaits and after the Earthers are “confused and frightened” they will attack. Confused and frightened by painting the bridge polka dotted. Blake tells them they won't succeed while Thor is around and offers to lead them to Thor if they give Blake his freedom. Blake sends them on a wild goose chase and grabs his hammer allowing him to become Thor again. He then battles Zano, the son of the alien leader, who turns into an ice monster and then a giant gladiator. But Thor and his hammer prevail, only to have to fight Ugarth, the leader who turns invisible. But Thor makes it rain, revealing him, wraps him in a net and then throws him out into space where the armada is, which will somehow scare them away for some unknown reason. Thor then tricks the five...or maybe four remaining Xartans into changing into trees. And since trees can't think, they are trapped forever as shade for Skrull cows. Thoughts…It really makes zero sense for aliens from a distant galaxy to conquer Earth. It makes less sense for them to try to do so in an utterly ridiculous manner. It makes even less sense for them to come in force and then deposit a few individuals to masquerade as such important people as a nurse in a private Doctor's office. Because that's a lot better than the President or an important General. These are some really stupid aliens. The Don Blake secret identity still makes no sense. And it's not helped by Odin telling him he's “bound not to reveal it.” Why? What purpose does any of this serve. Ultimately...it serves no purpose other than to try to shoe-horn in some drama. Memory is a super power...who knew? Occam's Razor tells us that if people aren't acting like themselves...they must have been replaced by exact duplicates. That's clearly the most likely and logical answer. Oh look. He put down his hammer. What could go wrong? Oh look....magnets work on humans. There is pretty much no part of this story that makes any sense. It's largely a re-hash of FF #2 only with a lot stupider plan by the aliens. The Story. This is just awful. Honestly there's no redeeming value here at all. A waste of wood-pulp. Grade: F. The Art: As bad as the story is...and it's really bad...the art is worse. Al Hartley was a pretty good romance and teen comic artist. But he had zero business doing super-hero books. The only redeeming part of the art is that Jane looks pretty attractive. Other than that it is a total mess. Grade: F. This poor chump has extra joints in his left arm. The toll: Thor doesn't seem to have destroyed anything at all in this one. Weird. Grade for historic importance: D-. Apparently Zano and the Xartans reappear in X-Factor. I have no idea why. It can't possibly have been a good idea. I truly believe this is the worst story of the Marvel Age thus far.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Sept 17, 2017 9:05:50 GMT -5
Having never read many of these early Thor appearances, I bought Essential Thor Vol. 1 a few years ago. The dreck is strong until the Tales of Asgard feature begins.
"Trapped forever as shade for Skrull cows" is a marvelous line, certainly better than anything in this dreadful story. Bravo!
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