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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 24, 2018 17:59:21 GMT -5
The Beat (English Beat in America) - Just Can't Stop It. Even though it's one of the first albums recorded all digital it sounds massive on the original vinyl but the CD loses something. But how often do you have both to compare like this? I think it is possible to sound as good/full though as I have heard some great sounding CDs too (Chris Isaak, and some Clapton I had one vinyl sounds as good on CD). I think maybe The Ventures also sound better on vinyl than CD by a little bit... but it's totally haphazard as to what I have on both formats to compare. I was never all for one or the other, never into replacing the vinyl like some were (it was while people were dumping their vinyl and replacing with CD I was buying the vinyl cheap, and now I'm a little more likely to go CD where that's the cheaper format).
Oh, I have had some old '50s and '60s vinyl that sounded so good, I guess that's what people mean by deep grooves. Little Richard on Specialty, a 10" Masterseal western album, Ritchie Valens on Del-fi, Gene Vincent on Capitol, Chet Atkins on RCA... so they could get it right way back then, but almost always in mono.
I don't know bluetooth. I have the RCA type output cords on a turntable with built-in preamp and a Tascam dedicated CD-RW5000 Pro for burning. My BF ran a studio and let me have one of his two Tascams, so I never run thing through any software until mastering right at the end if something needs it.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 24, 2018 18:45:48 GMT -5
I like CD and vinyl about equally. I buy both and, like you becca, I never got rid of my vinyl when CD came out -- I just embraced the new format and kept the old one too. Hell, I still listen to cassette tapes on rare occasions.
In terms of sound quality, both LPs and CDs have pros and cons (excellent bass response, warmer sound etc with vinyl, crisp highs, crystal clear vocals etc with CD). The only area where I 100% always come down in favour of LPs is with the cover artwork. CDs just can't compete with the larger cover art of LPs. On the other hand, you often get reams of liner notes in a CD booklet, especially if it's a reissue of an old album.
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Post by Pharozonk on Sept 28, 2018 20:16:08 GMT -5
Does anyone have any headphone amp recommendations? I have a Fluance RT81 turntable and AKG K240 headphones if that helps.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 29, 2018 3:27:06 GMT -5
Sorry Pharo, I almost never use headphones to listen to music through...at least, not at home on my hi-fi. It's just not an area in which I have any knowledge, I'm afraid.
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Post by Pharozonk on Sept 29, 2018 7:46:26 GMT -5
I would invest in speakers, but the walls in my apartment are too thin.  |
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Post by Søren on Oct 3, 2018 9:48:26 GMT -5
I gave in and brought my first LP a few days ago, waiting for it to come from the record label in Germany though so no idea what it will sound like yet  One my fav bands rereleased an old album in limited edition on vinyl and couldn't say no. Just need something to play it on now, going to use my granddads turntable in meantime XD |
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Post by Confessor on Sept 8, 2019 3:52:56 GMT -5
Interesting statistic, but slightly misleading. The reason that vinyl is set to outsell CD this year in the U.S. is because the average new LP is, like, three times the price of a CD. According to that article, CDs still accounted for 10 million more physical sales than vinyl in the first half of 2019 in America, and yet the net gross between the two formats was very similar. The prediction that vinyl will earn record companies more by the end of 2019 is likely correct, but is helped by the fact that CD sales are declining steeply and have been for years. Despite its undeniable resurgence as a format, Vinyl is still a much more niche thing than CD has been for the past 35 years. Also, I give it about 5 years before a CD revival starts...and 10 years for it to become mainstream as the current vinyl revival has. |
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Post by Confessor on Oct 29, 2019 11:12:54 GMT -5
Some of my recent vinyl purchases. Most of these were bought in America, during my recent vacation in the Southern States.   The Buddy Holly For The First Time Anywhere album is a mid-80s compilation of outtakes that I've been looking for for a while, but unfortunately it's a pretty lacklustre record, in terms of the performances. You can definitely see why these tracks were either left in the can or embellisshed with overdubs after Holly's death to beef them up a bit. I'm glad to have it in my collection, but it's not an album I expect to return to very often. The copy of R.E.M.'s second album Reckoning is a 2009 180g reissue, and an album that I already have two copies of on CD. But I bought this particular vinyl edition from Wuxtrey Records in Athens, Georgia, which is where R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe and Peter Buck first met. So, it has that layer of significance to it for me now. It was also the only one of the band's early albums that I didn't already have on vinyl. The copy of The Allman Bothers' Band's Eat a Peach is an original 1972 U.S. pressing and is in superb near mint condition. It looks and sounds virtually unplayed! Again, I was already familiar with this album on CD, but I've been looking for a nice vinyl copy for a while now and this is a better copy than I ever expected to get. Likewise, The Association's Birthday (1968) and The Youngblood's Elephant Mountain (1969) are both U.S. first pressings and in rather nice condition, while Iron Butterfly's In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida album is a late '60s pressing, but not actually a first pressing. The Stories' About Us is a record that I've been after for a while and I picked it up for absolute steal -- only $5! The band are perhaps best known for their early '70s hit "Brother Louie", and this is a second pressing of their second album, which has that hit single added as the final track. My interest in the Stories stems from the participation of Micheal Brown (who was formally with '60s baroque pop band The Left Banke). Brown was the genius behind the Left Banke's sublime, pseudo-classical pop sound. Some of this album is a bit too "mid-70s, middle-of-the-road rock" for my tastes, but some of it is glorious power pop, not a million miles from the likes of Big Star (who were, of course, contemporaries of the Stories). The Sister Rosetta Tharpe LP is a modern 180g reissue of a mid-50s gospel album that she put out and, though it's a bit more refined than her classic 1940s recordings, it's still a very enjoyable record. The Bill Monroe & His Blue Grass Boys album is a mid-80s reissue of an album from 1958 and is the only one of my recent haul I've not actually listened to yet. The other three LPs in the second picture were all bought in the UK, at a local charity shop. The soundtrack to The Long Riders by Ry Cooder is a beautifully played and rather haunting listen, and the soundtrack to 2001: A Space Odyssey has some wonderful classical music on it -- but I mostly wanted a copy for the awesome cover artwork.  The Rock 'n' Roll Greats, Volume 2 is part of a series of '50s R'n'R compilations that EMI's budget "Music for Pleasure" label put out in the late '80s. One of my best friends had the full set of four volumes and we used to listen to them a lot as teenagers, so this was definitely something of a nostalgia purchase for me. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 29, 2019 12:19:45 GMT -5
I at least really like every one of those records. I like the Stories for the same Mike Brown involvement, and Sister Rosetta and 'The Long Riders' with Ry Cooder (do you have all the Rising Sons there is? I have a set of live at the Ash Grove with Ed Cassidy on drums you might dig if you also like Taj Mahal and Jesse Lee Kincaid) are the two I'd most want! The only ones I'd pass on might be 2001, I'd rather have a doc or book on the making of generally, and The Association... a 'best of' for them is enough for me though I've read lots about their albums tracks by people who go deep on these guys, so I might be on the wrong side of history still there. I do have the more recent collections of vintage Tandyn Almer who wrote Along Comes Mary, and Ruthann Freidman who wrote Windy, releases however.  My Dad has a Coral Buddy Holly LP titled 'Holly In The Hills' with a lot of the early country stuff, I've always thought even minor Buddy Holly is better than a lot of other stuff! They kept releasing singles of him and they kept charting through the early '60s, especially in England. I actually prefer the versions that came out then with the Fireballs backing him over the bare home tapes they were working from... The Fireballs were a great group in their own right and whatever people may say about Norman Petty he was a magician with the equipment that existed at the time. Buddy and The Crickets were a huge influence on the English scene and John Lennon & the Beatles in particular. The Crickets (with Sonny Curtis back) also had a lot of releases that did well in England in the '60s. I'd thought that Roller-Coaster label would've made all things Holly available in the UK by now. Okay, back to geeking-out on comics or I'll start browsing Sundazed, Cherry Red and the like... my only target musically just now is the complete Electric Banana DeWolfe box (The Pretty Things by any other name). I have a pile of vintage bluegrass (Monroe, Osbornes, Scruggs) and Carter Family LPs to transfer to CD with my Tascam set-up soon for my dad and I, oh and also his Johnny Horton. Most of the work is in cleaning the vinyl. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 12:54:47 GMT -5
At the charity auction at the Champion City Comic Con on Sunday, there was a first pressing of the Rocky Horror Picture Show soundtrack among the items up for bid. I tapped out on bidding at $25, and it wound up going for about $65. I really have no sense of the going rate for a lot of vinyl these days, so I have no idea what a "good price" would have been for it, but it went for more than I was willing to spend. The shop that donated in a fairly new one here in town, and does comics, records and especially Trek memorabilia, but I have only been to the shop once (not the most pleasant experience despite having wares that interested me so I haven't been back). There is a shop in town that does a lot of vintage vinyl, usually at $4 a pop unless it is something out of the ordinary or in high demand) and I have picked up some stuff form them over the past few months (a handful of Yes albums, the Stones' Beggar's Banquet,some blues etc.
I have a decent turntable, but it's not currently set up as the room I have it in is one of the ones that has been in remodel limbo since my surgery a couple years back and I just started getting back to working on it the past few weeks on my days off from work. Wanting to be able to play the records is one of the main incentives for getting the room done (as well as having access to all my books and trades again instead of having them in crates).
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Post by Confessor on Oct 29, 2019 13:01:08 GMT -5
...'The Long Riders' with Ry Cooder (do you have all the Rising Sons there is? I have a set of live at the Ash Grove with Ed Cassidy on drums you might dig if you also like Taj Mahal and Jesse Lee Kincaid) are the two I'd most want! There was a compilation of, I think, basically everything the Rising Sons ever recorded that Columbia Legacy put out in the early 90s that was on my 'wants list' for ages. ...and then a friend of mine bought it and I actually heard it. Yeah, it wasn't terrible, but neither was it essential...at least, in my opinion. So, I never bothered purchasing it. These days, I do have a couple of Rising Sons tracks on two different L.A.-garage punk/psychedelic compilations, and that's fine with me. On a vaguely related note, at around the same time as that Rising Sons CD came out, there was a compilation of stuff that Lowell George's pre-Little Feat combo The Factory recorded in the late '60s (most of it previously unreleased) that was excellent. It was called Lightning-Rod Man and featured some really great psych-tinged folk rock stuff. It's well worth your time investigating, if you haven't already (think it was issued by the UK's Demon Records, if memory serves). The Association... a 'best of' for them is enough for me though I've read lots about their albums tracks by people who go deep on these guys, so I might be on the wrong side of history still there. I once thought the same as you. I've had the Association's 1968 Greatest Hits album since I was 18 or 19, which is all killer, no filler sunshiney psych-pop, and that was enough for me. But in recent years, I've been delving into the band's albums and, while they're certainly a little patchy, they all contain at least 3 or 4 excellent 'deep cuts' that weren't released as singles or featured on that Greatest Hits album. That makes them worth the purchase price in my book. My Dad has a Coral Buddy Holly LP titled 'Holly In The Hills' with a lot of the early country stuff, I've always thought even minor Buddy Holly is better than a lot of other stuff! They kept releasing singles of him and they kept charting through the early '60s, especially in England. I actually prefer the versions that came out then with the Fireballs backing him over the bare home tapes they were working from... The Fireballs were a great group in their own right and whatever people may say about Norman Petty he was a magician with the equipment that existed at the time. Oh yeah, I know the Holly in the Hills album. My Dad was a big fan too, and it was via raiding his record collection that I first discovered Buddy Holly as a 12 or 13-year-old. I instantly fell in love with his sound and music. In fact, although I love lots of other old '50s rockers, I consider Buddy Holly to be the King of Rock 'n' Roll. F**k Elvis! Holly was much, much more creative and much more important to the development of popular music as we know it today. |
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Post by Confessor on Oct 29, 2019 13:37:36 GMT -5
At the charity auction at the Champion City Comic Con on Sunday, there was a first pressing of the Rocky Horror Picture Show soundtrack among the items up for bid. I tapped out on bidding at $25, and it wound up going for about $65. I really have no sense of the going rate for a lot of vinyl these days, so I have no idea what a "good price" would have been for it, but it went for more than I was willing to spend. Well, condition is everything with vinyl. So, without knowing how well preserved the actual record was (and to a lesser extent, the cover), it's kinda hard to know if $65 was a "good price". I would guess that a near mint copy would be around that price in a used record shop, but if the condition was less than near mint, $65 was probably over the odds. I have a decent turntable, but it's not currently set up as the room I have it in is one of the ones that has been in remodel limbo since my surgery a couple years back and I just started getting back to working on it the past few weeks on my days off from work. Wanting to be able to play the records is one of the main incentives for getting the room done (as well as having access to all my books and trades again instead of having them in crates). You'll love it when you get your turntable up and running, I'm sure. I love playing CDs too, but there's something special...something about the "ceremony" of lowering the stylus onto the vinyl and having to get up half way through the album to turn it over...that you can't beat. Vinyl forces you to interact with the media much more than more modern music formats do, and I believe that's part of its magic. That's without mentioning the lovely analogue warmth and fantastic bass response of the sound of vinyl. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 30, 2019 11:10:51 GMT -5
On a vaguely related note, at around the same time as that Rising Sons CD came out, there was a compilation of stuff that Lowell George's pre-Little Feat combo The Factory recorded in the late '60s (most of it previously unreleased) that was excellent. It was called Lightning-Rod Man and featured some really great psych-tinged folk rock stuff. It's well worth your time investigating, if you haven't already (think it was issued by the UK's Demon Records, if memory serves). I do have something of that The Factory somewhere... there may even be two different groups of that name (one was in England)... I'd have to dig, maybe it's with The Spike-Drivers and Perth County Conspiracy. There's been sad news lately for Little Feat fans with Paul Barrere passing. I live on Richie Hayward island. I consider Buddy Holly to be the King of Rock 'n' Roll. You're braver than I, though I appreciate the sentiment. "Never dis the big E" I was taught. There is a story that seeing Elvis when he was passing through that part of Texas helped inspire Buddy (and Roy O.), but then maybe Elvis' path was somewhat prepared for by Bill Haley and Bob Wills? |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 30, 2019 11:32:52 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I know the Holly in the Hills album. My Dad was a big fan too, and it was via raiding his record collection that I first discovered Buddy Holly as a 12 or 13-year-old. I instantly fell in love with his sound and music. In fact, although I love lots of other old '50s rockers, I consider Buddy Holly to be the King of Rock 'n' Roll. F**k Elvis! Holly was much, much more creative and much more important to the development of popular music as we know it today. This is demonstrably true. |
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Post by Confessor on Oct 30, 2019 17:39:47 GMT -5
I consider Buddy Holly to be the King of Rock 'n' Roll. You're braver than I, though I appreciate the sentiment. "Never dis the big E" I was taught. There is a story that seeing Elvis when he was passing through that part of Texas helped inspire Buddy (and Roy O.), but then maybe Elvis' path was somewhat prepared for by Bill Haley and Bob Wills? Not just a story, but a photograph of pre-fame Buddy Holly backstage at an Elvis show in Texas circa 1955. That's Buddy on the far right in the spectacles...  Elvis Presley, of course, influenced everybody who got into r'n'r in the late '50s and early '60s, but I think Buddy has been more influential on the rock and pop of the last 60+ years overall. On a personal level, I also prefer Buddy's music to Elvis's by miles. |
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One my fav bands rereleased an old album in limited edition on vinyl and couldn't say no. Just need something to play it on now, going to use my granddads turntable in meantime XD 
The Rock 'n' Roll Greats, Volume 2 is part of a series of '50s R'n'R compilations that EMI's budget "Music for Pleasure" label put out in the late '80s. One of my best friends had the full set of four volumes and we used to listen to them a lot as teenagers, so this was definitely something of a nostalgia purchase for me. 
