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Post by Pharozonk on Jun 21, 2014 2:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 21, 2014 3:06:39 GMT -5
Ugh. Stories like this make me furious. The base pettiness of such an act. I'm also disgusted at the attitude of the comic shop owner. Thanks to the kindness of most collectors, and the internet, she'll get her collection back.
If owned a shop, I'd check the story and if I was certain that an angry ex sold her collection without their consent, I'd give it back. How hard is that to grasp you scumbag?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 3:27:03 GMT -5
I can't believe there's nothing she can do legally. They're her comics, her husband stole them, that's theft. I guess she can go wreck his car since they're married, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 3:27:48 GMT -5
I'm also disgusted at the attitude of the comic shop owner. I have a pretty sour view of most comics and collectibles dealers. Doesn't surprise me a bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 3:28:49 GMT -5
I'd like them to publish the name of the store. Yelp has gotten people some justice once or twice in the past.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 21, 2014 3:38:53 GMT -5
She actually states that in her responses: R-Galaxy in Tuscon, Arizona.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 3:48:07 GMT -5
I can't believe there's nothing she can do legally. They're her comics, her husband stole them, that's theft. I guess she can go wreck his car since they're married, right? Unless there's a pre-nup, a marriage in legal terms is a contract, until a divorce is finalized, what's hers is his and what's his is hers essentially, unless there are titles, deed,s etc. that state otherwise. In secular terms (not religious) a marriage is a legal contract that combines the property of two individuals into one essentially, creating a single (fictional) legal entity (and I am sure our legal eagles like Slam will correct any and all mistakes I make here). There is very little "individual" property in a marriage, which is why divorce lawyers make so much money hashing divorce settlements out. If he wanted to be a bigger douche, he could have gotten them appraised at Overstreet prices and had his lawyer enter them as an asset worth that much into the divorce settlement proceedings, and if she wanted to keep them, she would have likely had to given him assets equal to their "book value" instead. What he did was spiteful, but not smart and not technically theft. If a judge wanted to, he could hold up the divorce proceedings until the issue was settled. -M |
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Post by ironchimp on Jun 21, 2014 4:03:12 GMT -5
8000 comics / $400 ?
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 21, 2014 4:53:31 GMT -5
A clear case where the law fails and it's up to civilians to set things to rights. Only by putting pressure on the comic dealer (and husband if at all possible) and by helping her rebuild her collection will justice be done. (No death threats or physical violence, just constant pressure and remindesr that they're both unethical assholes and it won't be tolerated.)
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 21, 2014 6:40:15 GMT -5
I read about this in Cbr as well. The books that were stolen by the husband are really going to expensive to replace. Among the other books she had Conan 1-275 , Defenders 1-152, New TT 1-130, Saga Of the Swamp Thing 1-64 and Tomb of Dracula 1-70. Lots of other stuff . I contacted the blog site to see if I could donate some of my books.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 21, 2014 7:06:53 GMT -5
I sent emails to ABC,CBS, FOX and NBC about this story , maybe the LCS owner can be shamed into doing what he should have done anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 9:38:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 9:50:15 GMT -5
Good lord -- that's, what, a nickel a book? We're into Chuck "My Surname Might as Well be Polish for 'Thief'" Rozanski territory there, or maybe even worse. I mean, hell, I've whined before about how I sold my collection for a song back in the summer of '81 (something like 2,500 issues for $300 ... might've been $350), but even then I averaged more than twice per book what this Tucson creep paid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 10:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 21, 2014 11:11:46 GMT -5
This is actual an interesting case from a legal perspective...almost like part of a bar exam question. To correct one thing MRP said, Arizona is a Community Property Law state. I'm assuming they live in Arizona based on the store that bought the comics. Under community property law any and all comics purchased by and for her prior to her entry into marriage are her separate property and he had no interest in them. So as to those books his actions constitute theft. Of course you have to recognize there is almost nothing police and prosecutors hate to deal with more than family property disputes.
As to any comics purchased during the marriage they would be community property and each would have an undivided 1/2 interest in those books (leaving aside gifts and books purchased with separate funds). However, in this case his actions almost certainly constitute waste of marital assets. As such he could face sanctions from the court for his actions. Additionally the Court could nullify the contract and order return of the books though that gets tough bringing the shop owner in as a party.
I'd be shocked if there wasn't an order entered at the beginning of the divorce proceedings prohibiting any party from disposing of community property. It was one of the first orders is ask for when I still did divorced. If it exists the seller is in contempt.
This is why you need a good divorce lawyer, especially if you have a lot of property.
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