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Post by MDG on Mar 14, 2018 14:01:04 GMT -5
Here's the full page for context... -M That's gotta be one of the earliest examples of craftint boards in comic books. Is it Everett?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 14, 2018 14:05:30 GMT -5
Here's the full page for context... -M That's gotta be one of the earliest examples of craftint boards in comic books. Is it Everett? Yes it's Everett. It's from the first Namor story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 14:17:12 GMT -5
That's gotta be one of the earliest examples of craftint boards in comic books. Is it Everett? Yes it's Everett. It's from the first Namor story. That's Interesting and thanks for sharing it.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 14, 2018 14:34:05 GMT -5
It must just be that panel and that angle then. With the whole page yeah that looks more like Namor.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 14, 2018 14:36:09 GMT -5
That first Sub-Mariner story originally appeared in the black-and-white Motion Picture Funnies Weekly #1-and-only. All subsequent episodes were designed for color so no Craftint necessary.
Cei-U! I summon the deep grey sea!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 14, 2018 18:41:28 GMT -5
(A) Bill Everett Sub-Mariner is the only true Sub-Mariner. Accept no substitutes. (Especially the Lee/Kirby version, which completely misses the point.)
(B) I head that in the first printing (at least) of Marvel Comics # 1 the primitive printing at the time was not up to reprinting such fine line-work, and the end result looked helluva crappy.
(C) What's Craftint?
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 14, 2018 19:25:45 GMT -5
(A) Bill Everett Sub-Mariner is the only true Sub-Mariner. Accept no substitutes. (Especially the Lee/Kirby version, which completely misses the point.) (B) I head that in the first printing (at least) of Marvel Comics # 1 the primitive printing at the time was not up to reprinting such fine line-work, and the end result looked helluva crappy. (C) What's Craftint? (A) I disagree about the Lee/Kirby Subby but no matter. (B) The result looked crappy because color was thrown over Craftinted art, resulting in the muddy look you see. And the printing of the time was perfectly capable of duplicating fine linework, as a look through other comics contemporaneous with Marvel Comics #1 attests. (C) Craftint was a brand name for Duotone, a paper stock with preprinted patterns that could be brought up by application of a developing fluid. Lots of newspaper cartoonists used it, Roy Crane (Wash Tubbs, Captain Easy, Buz Sawyer) being considered the absolute master of Craftint shading. Cei-U! I summon the 411!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 15:27:24 GMT -5
Cei-U! ... Craftint, I was going to ask that question today and you've already answered it.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 24, 2018 11:29:43 GMT -5
What the heck happened to this guy, he's only 61?
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 24, 2018 12:12:05 GMT -5
What the heck happened to this guy, he's only 61? I wanna say that photo is circa 2014, and there are several photos from around that time where he looks rather thin and gaunt, also with a headwound, of some kind. There have been stories of at least alcohol; but, I don't see the obvious signs (reddened areas from broken blood vessels, etc...) and the stories I heard were never first-hand and had no corroboration. There was speculation of cancer, though no confirmation. I suspect he has had some kind of serious health issue, though Miller has always tended to be on the skinny side. He definitely looked ill around this time. He looked better in that 2017 photo, with Stan, though still rather thin. My guess would be a major health issue, relatively recently, coupled with genetics that tend toward thin. Possibly other contributing factors; but, only Frank knows the truth and he doesn't seem to be talking.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 24, 2018 12:19:40 GMT -5
He looks healthier here and sounds as lucid as in interviews from the early 80s...
There's a definite physical issue in this video, also from 2017. He seems to have an issue with his back or neck, as he is stiff and sort of hunched. Years of toiling over an art desk? Auto accident? Bone issue?
Only Frank knows...
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 24, 2018 12:41:51 GMT -5
This is early Frank (circa Dark Knight) from The Masters of Comic Book Art, hosted by Harlan Ellison...
This was a great video, with interviews with Miller, Neal Adams, Bernie Wrightson, Jack Kirby, Will Eisner, Harvey Kurtzman, Moebius, Dave Sim, Art Spiegelman and audio of Steve Ditko, reading an essay.
Here's the whole video...
Warning, it was done in 1987; so, very 80s music and clothes. Also, no artwork from Marvel; only DC and independents.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 24, 2018 13:28:58 GMT -5
You're right, he looks like he was fighting Cancer.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Mar 26, 2018 17:39:10 GMT -5
When MJ turned down Peter's initial marriage proposal in ASM #182, she left for a while. She did not return until ASM 242. Was this part of the writing plan at the time that everyone just seemed to go along with? Wolfman was the writer at the time...were his plans to move away from MJ entirely? Black Cat then came about and we have a lengthy period of time where she becomes his main love interest. I was just curious if Marv was anti-MJ and had bigger plans for an Black Cat/Spidey coupling. Who ended this romance in terms of the writer at the time? I might have to dive back into my ASM to re-read this stuff but though someone here could provide a deeper behind scenes insight, as you fine folks usually do:)
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Post by badwolf on Mar 26, 2018 18:23:18 GMT -5
(C) Craftint was a brand name for Duotone, a paper stock with preprinted patterns that could be brought up by application of a developing fluid. Lots of newspaper cartoonists used it, Roy Crane (Wash Tubbs, Captain Easy, Buz Sawyer) being considered the absolute master of Craftint shading. I've heard about Duotone for years but never knew how it worked! To be honest I don't like it. Not necessarily in this instance but...John Byrne used it a lot on his Namor run (maybe because Everett did?)
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