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Post by cellardweller on Jun 10, 2018 21:50:31 GMT -5
Question for the X-Book fans.....I have vague memories of the X-teams coming together for a party/celebration of some sort. At the end Xavier asks everyone to join hands and have a "psychic bond" moment. It was sometime during the first run of Generation X.
Anyone know what I'm talking about? Anyone know what book/issue it took place in?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 10, 2018 22:12:54 GMT -5
She was getting trashed online so much that she cancelled her accounts. What was her character like in the movie? Nothing special. She was a rebel technician who got pulled into a failed scheme to try to stop the Imperial fleet from tracking the rebel fleet. She was also a love interest for Finn. Notice that this is more a description of her plot function. They didn't give her much character. She also had a (twin?) sister who died heroically in the opening scene. She did seem to mostly exist to develop Finn's character though, rather than establish her own. There is also a YA novel focusing on her and her sister (or so I've heard.. didn't read that one yet). I didn't find her particularly interesting or engaging, but the actress did a fine job with the little she had to work with, I'd say. If I was to have any beef, it's with the attempt to add diversity to the cast. This is Star Wars.. the diversity should come showing lots of different cool alien designs... not our diversity. A big part of the evil of the Empire was they treated humans as superior (at least, that was added in later to good effect). If they want to keep going with that, there should be more aliens in the Resistance... all we see if Tu'lo in a couple wallpaper shots and Chewie, really. Why not have some of the supporting characters be new aliens we haven't seen before? Good for action figures, too.
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Post by rberman on Jun 10, 2018 22:46:27 GMT -5
If I was to have any beef, it's with the attempt to add diversity to the cast. This is Star Wars.. the diversity should come showing lots of different cool alien designs... not our diversity. A big part of the evil of the Empire was they treated humans as superior (at least, that was added in later to good effect). If they want to keep going with that, there should be more aliens in the Resistance... all we see if Tu'lo in a couple wallpaper shots and Chewie, really. Why not have some of the supporting characters be new aliens we haven't seen before? Good for action figures, too. I don't mind the racial diversity among humans as (1) a reasonable thing to expect in a galactic civilization and (2) a smart marketing move in an era where the international market is becoming at least as important as the domestic market for action movies. However, you raise a good point that we haven't seen many memorable new alien races in any of the new films. Just from memory: ANH: Jawas, Sand People, Wookiee, Greedo (Rodian), Elephant nose spy guy, all the cantina races that became action figures because $$$, Dewback, Dianoga (trash compactor monster) TESB: Wampa, Tauntaun, Yoda, Ughnaut, various bounty hunters, mynocks, space slug RotJ: Gamorrean, Twi'Lek, Salacious Crumb, Rancor, Hutt, Ewok, Nien Nubh, Calamari, Sarlacc TPM: Gungan, Watto, Sebulba and various pod racers, Trade Federation, Jedi council members (Plo Koon and Ki Adi Mundi being standouts) AotC: Kaminoans, Dexter, Geonosians, arena critters, Zam the assassin RotS: Grievous, riding lizard TFA: Maz Kenada, random cantina races, rathtars, that chintzy food selling guy R1: All I can recall is Saw Guererra's mind reading squid thingie. TLJ: Blue milk cow; porgs, island midgets. crystal doggo, racing animals. random casino aliens. Solo: Haven't seen yet.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 10, 2018 22:56:45 GMT -5
I had always read that Cockrum's favorite character was Nightcrawler That's how I've always read/known it to be too. Maybe we read the same interview where he said that. I don't remember Claremont stating any great favoritism for Nightcrawler though. I don't know who brought the Errol Flynn fan aspect to him. Obviously Phoenix and her 'song of power within her' thing was a Claremont favorite as rising from the ashes in some form or other became pretty much a party piece of so many X-Men books, so I would think Phoenix was his favorite. John Byrne seems the one who developed Wolverine the most once he came in, and then Kitty Pryde/Sprite.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 11, 2018 0:19:39 GMT -5
Has anyone ever done an in depth analysis of all of the Marvel moments mentioned throughout the issues of the Marvels series? I am currently reading through it and there are so many moments that it references, I am sure I am missing many as I have not read as much Silver/Bronze Age stuff as others on here. In book two, the Sentinels make an appearance (I am assuming around the time of X-Men #14?). There is also the wedding of Sue and Reed (FF Annual #3). On another page, we see a snapshot taken by someone of Daredevil fighting Stiltman which I believe is issue #8. I found this link, which points out some other unique references from the story but does not really go into much detail about references to Marvel chronology. www.cbr.com/comic-book-easter-eggs-a-look-at-alex-ross-and-kurt-busieks-marvels-2/ The TPB has a full set of annotations in the back compiled by Busiek himself.
Cei-U! I summon the FYI!
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 11, 2018 0:27:07 GMT -5
I didn't watch Star Wars the Last Jedi so I'm out of the loop, Why do people hate Kelly Marie Tran ?
Cei-U! I summon the barf bag!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jun 11, 2018 6:37:03 GMT -5
Here's a question based on this: I had always read that Cockrum's favorite character was Nightcrawler, whom he considered an atheist like himself, so he was mad when Chris Claremont decided that Kurt was a Christian (and later, a Roman Catholic in particular). I've never heard that either of them was particularly drawn to Colossus, who over the years has mainly been known for his relationship with his sister Illyana and various women including Kitty Pryde, and apparently Callisto. So... is Cronin correct or not? I mean, you could e-mail him. That doesn't sound right to me. Could be backwards - Claremont's favorite character was eventually Storm (source: I think I read that somewhere) but it might have been Colossus in the beginning. Nightcrawler was 100% Cockrum's creation and pre-dates the new X-men as a concept.
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Post by rberman on Jun 11, 2018 8:51:43 GMT -5
Here's a question based on this: I had always read that Cockrum's favorite character was Nightcrawler, whom he considered an atheist like himself, so he was mad when Chris Claremont decided that Kurt was a Christian (and later, a Roman Catholic in particular). I've never heard that either of them was particularly drawn to Colossus, who over the years has mainly been known for his relationship with his sister Illyana and various women including Kitty Pryde, and apparently Callisto. So... is Cronin correct or not? I mean, you could e-mail him. That doesn't sound right to me. Could be backwards - Claremont's favorite character was eventually Storm (source: I think I read that somewhere) but it might have been Colossus in the beginning. Nightcrawler was 100% Cockrum's creation and pre-dates the new X-men as a concept. Yes, I can definitely see Storm and Wolvie as Claremont favorites, especially when Wolvie drove sales. I see Colossus as a relatively neglected character from the beginning.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 11, 2018 12:08:05 GMT -5
I had always read that Cockrum's favorite character was Nightcrawler That's how I've always read/known it to be too. Maybe we read the same interview where he said that. I don't remember Claremont stating any great favoritism for Nightcrawler though. I don't know who brought the Errol Flynn fan aspect to him. Obviously Phoenix and her 'song of power within her' thing was a Claremont favorite as rising from the ashes in some form or other became pretty much a party piece of so many X-Men books, so I would think Phoenix was his favorite. John Byrne seems the one who developed Wolverine the most once he came in, and then Kitty Pryde/Sprite. Nightcrawler was most definitely Cockrum's favorite character. He created the character for a Legion of Superheroes spinoff proposal, called The Outsiders, which also features a proto-Storm (mainly in the design). It didn't fly at DC and he brought the designs with him to Marvel, using Nightcrawler specifically and modifying the female character into Storm's design. A couple of other turned up in the Shi-ar Imperial Guard (a Legion pastiche, from the beginning). Cockrum added the Errol Flynn stuff, as that's how he drew Nightcrawler, when he used his image inducer to give himself a human-looking form, a gimmick which was eventually dropped, then briefly used when they went into the climax of the Shi'ar storyline (where we had the transition from Cockrum to Byrne). Cockrum was a big fan of swashbucklers and it factored into the design and character of Corsair and the Starjammers. Cockrum also did the Nightcrawler mini-series, in 1985-86, which featured Nightcrawler in piratical action, on the cover... Cockrum both wrote and drew that mini. Byrne is the one who kept Wolverine from being killed off (Claremont was tired of the character) and helped turn him into a fan favorite. Kitty was Byrne's creation, as she was based on a friend from art school, though much of her personality was drawn from Louise Simonson's daughter (with Jeff Jones), Julie. So, she was kind of a mix of Byrne, Claremont and Simonson's input. Phoenix was definitely a Claremont favorite and Storm became one later and, if you read across the series, you'll notice she becomes more like Phoenix.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 11, 2018 15:24:31 GMT -5
She was getting trashed online so much that she cancelled her accounts. What was her character like in the movie? Nothing special. She was a rebel technician who got pulled into a failed scheme to try to stop the Imperial fleet from tracking the rebel fleet. She was also a love interest for Finn. Notice that this is more a description of her plot function. They didn't give her much character. The idea that anyone should give the actress s**t for playing the character is utterly ridiculous. Those people who attacked her online are just scum of the Earth. Rose was a totally superfluous character and the suspiscion among the less tolerant sections of SW fandom is that she was simply there to check a "diversity" box (which is probably true, let's be honest). But that's clearly no excuse to insult, intimidate or harass the actress playing the character. Personally, I think that Rose, Finn and Poe Dameron were all utterly surplus to requirements in The Last Jedi. But the problems with that film -- of which there were many -- lay with the director, screenwriter, producer etc. Not with the actors who starred in the film. EDIT: Not that any of the filmmakers should be verbally attacked either. It's only a sci-fi movie, after all.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 11, 2018 15:47:47 GMT -5
While I agree with the sentiment of this Esquire piece and utterly condem all the arsehole trolls who have attacked Kelly Marie Tran, that article is one of the most ill-informed and blatantly biased pieces of mainstream journalism that I've read in a long time. The fact that it comes from such a renowned source as Esquire is pretty shocking. The author's attendant suggestions that anyone who doesn't agree with him somehow doesn't really understand Star Wars, or that The Last Jedi is a masterpiece of modern cinema simply because it made a lot of money is, as we would say in Britain, a load of old boll*cks.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 11, 2018 19:01:40 GMT -5
Here's a question- I read on CBR Erik Larsen say they get the same amount of money from Images best selling title as they get from their worst selling book. in other words, whether TWD sells 300K or 2K they get the same amount of money from those creators. What kind of fee do they get per book ? I imagine @mrp , might know.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 11, 2018 21:42:21 GMT -5
Poe was important in his complete incompetence, but I agree you could have completely removed Finn and Rose and not missed anything plot wise. I did enjoy the Canto Bright field trip, though. The whole thing with the alien horses and the little kids being inspired was super hokey, but I thought it worked. I agree that's probably where people get annoyed... diversity to check a box is counter productive, IMO.. which is why I think she should have been a cool alien instead
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 21:43:16 GMT -5
Here's a question- I read on CBR Erik Larsen say they get the same amount of money from Images best selling title as they get from their worst selling book. in other words, whether TWD sells 300K or 2K they get the same amount of money from those creators. What kind of fee do they get per book ? I imagine @mrp , might know. I believe it is $5000.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 22:58:21 GMT -5
Here's a question- I read on CBR Erik Larsen say they get the same amount of money from Images best selling title as they get from their worst selling book. in other words, whether TWD sells 300K or 2K they get the same amount of money from those creators. What kind of fee do they get per book ? I imagine @mrp , might know. I don't know the amount, but Image gets a fee for publishing, not a share of the profits, so yes it is the same rate for every book, and how successful the book is doesn't affect Image's take. Now a book that doesn't achieve certain sales level may not be able to afford to keep paying the fee for each issue and trade, which could affect how long the book runs with Image, but it's not Image's decision to cancel a book because it doesn't do well or to keep publishing a successful book, that's the creator's decision. -M
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