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Post by rberman on Jun 23, 2018 13:14:12 GMT -5
I read Jemm 'back in the day'. It wasn't too memorable, a bit of a retread of J'onn J'onzz in my mind. Maybe it was also lost in the shadow of the Jem and the Holograms cartoon show, or Amethyst Princess Of Gemworld? We did have an Amethyst discussion thread a few months ago: classiccomics.org/thread/5364/amethyst-princess-gemworld-1983-series
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Post by comicsandwho on Jun 23, 2018 17:34:03 GMT -5
Generally, he was portrayed as a reporter, through the Silver and bronze Age, with no specific emphasis on photography, though a camera was usually present. The Reeve film was the biggest influence and certainly factored into the post-Crisis portrayal. It was easier to include Olsen in the film as a photographer than anything else. In the Bronze Age, he was treated as a full reporter, not a cub reporter, as that sort of thing was pretty much gone. Even in the 60s, he was pretty much an adventure reporter, rather than a gopher, hoping to get a chance at a story, which s what a cub was. Didn't Jack Kirby give Jimmy a 'promotion' to full reporter status(without making a big deal of it; like Clark just 'became' the anchorman one day, Jimmy was suddenly a full-time, 'grown-up' reporter?) Kirby introduced two new young characters, Percy and Meg, who were new to the Daily Planet. They pretty much did the 'cub reporter' stuff Jimmy had done for years, with Jimmy now in the position of being like 'big brother' keeping them out of trouble. They hung around for a little while after Kirby, but just faded into the background later on. I'm not sure when the 'Mr. Action' investigative reporting started, maybe 'Superman Family'?
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 23, 2018 17:58:12 GMT -5
I remember reading some silver age Jimmy Olsen comics where he was a reporter, so I think it predates the Kirby run.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 23, 2018 18:35:05 GMT -5
Generally, he was portrayed as a reporter, through the Silver and bronze Age, with no specific emphasis on photography, though a camera was usually present. The Reeve film was the biggest influence and certainly factored into the post-Crisis portrayal. It was easier to include Olsen in the film as a photographer than anything else. In the Bronze Age, he was treated as a full reporter, not a cub reporter, as that sort of thing was pretty much gone. Even in the 60s, he was pretty much an adventure reporter, rather than a gopher, hoping to get a chance at a story, which s what a cub was. Didn't Jack Kirby give Jimmy a 'promotion' to full reporter status(without making a big deal of it; like Clark just 'became' the anchorman one day, Jimmy was suddenly a full-time, 'grown-up' reporter?) Kirby introduced two new young characters, Percy and Meg, who were new to the Daily Planet. They pretty much did the 'cub reporter' stuff Jimmy had done for years, with Jimmy now in the position of being like 'big brother' keeping them out of trouble. They hung around for a little while after Kirby, but just faded into the background later on. I'm not sure when the 'Mr. Action' investigative reporting started, maybe 'Superman Family'? Jimmy was promoted from cub to full reporter in Jimmy Olsen #124 (October 1969), a full year before Kirby came aboard. He first used the "Mr. Action" handle in JO #155 (January '73).
Cei-U! Them's the facts, Jack!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 24, 2018 13:49:47 GMT -5
This was the issue that I read - He moves into a slum to do an undercover story.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jun 26, 2018 14:49:47 GMT -5
I cant figure out how to check on my phone... Is Spider-man 16 in bad shape but intact worth 40 bucks?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 17:46:55 GMT -5
I cant figure out how to check on my phone... Is Spider-man 16 in bad shape but intact worth 40 bucks? Lonestar has 2 copies of ASM 16 in Poor (0.5) going for over $100 each, FR/GD over $150. So based on that, I'd say yes, if you are willing to pay that much for a copy. -M
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Post by sabongero on Jun 29, 2018 12:30:50 GMT -5
Would you agree that The Thing is or was perhaps the second most popular character in the Marvel Universe next to Spider-Man in the 60's to mid 80's? I am thinking because of The Thing having been in Marvel Two In One like the way Spider-Man was in Marvel Team Up, that editorial wanted to see the character interact with other Marvel characters in the team up comic books because of the extreme popularity of the character.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 29, 2018 13:33:23 GMT -5
I really liked The thing a lot, such a great character with pathos to his situation, humor that was tinged with sadness at times, endurance. I think I definitely did prefer Two-In-One to Team-Up circa 1979-83. Team-Up depended on who the co-star was, but Two-In-One I bought every time. The Hulk could be up there in interest too but somehow the situation was a bit more limited than the Thing's. Spider-Man wore out some of his Aunt May is really ill this time or needs pills paid for shtick with me. Only if they made it that she was being conned and he couldn't quite do enough about that did it get interesting. Ben Grimm getting returned to human and then having it taken away was always a little moving at least, especially when Alicia treated him a bit like a stranger once after. It seemed pretty complex to me! So I'd rank him equal to Spider-Man or ahead. The early Ditko Spider-Man where he was a nerd and maybe even gave off repellant spider creepy-vibes worked best for me, John Romita had him gain weight and become the cool attractive 'tiger' character Mary Jane saw as opposed to the guy who couldn't imagine Betty at the Bugle really caring about him. They tried to have Spider-Woman give off creepy spider-vibes to most humans when they started her, women really disliking her, but I think that got lost in the shuffle early along. If they'd have kept the Ditko-era skinny loser-loner stuff it would've been a better character to me. They did play up the loser angle still and had the Bugle out to get him, but looking at Romance comic super-fit Peter Parker in the Romita Sr. style you wondered why, it just seemed like he and JJJ had mental disorders.
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Post by rberman on Jun 29, 2018 13:56:04 GMT -5
Would you agree that The Thing is or was perhaps the second most popular character in the Marvel Universe next to Spider-Man in the 60's to mid 80's? I am thinking because of The Thing having been in Marvel Two In One like the way Spider-Man was in Marvel Team Up, that editorial wanted to see the character interact with other Marvel characters in the team up comic books because of the extreme popularity of the character. He was one of the few who got his own cartoon, weirdly Shazam-y though it was.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 29, 2018 14:03:59 GMT -5
I read Jemm 'back in the day'. It wasn't too memorable, a bit of a retread of J'onn J'onzz in my mind. Maybe it was also lost in the shadow of the Jem and the Holograms cartoon show, or Amethyst Princess Of Gemworld? The book started life being about J'onn J'onzz's cousin. So a martian. It was re-tooled when JJ was brought back into the DCU in the JLA.
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Post by comicsandwho on Jun 29, 2018 16:58:11 GMT -5
I really liked The thing a lot, such a great character with pathos to his situation, humor that was tinged with sadness at times, endurance. I think I definitely did prefer Two-In-One to Team-Up circa 1979-83. Team-Up depended on who the co-star was, but Two-In-One I bought every time. The Hulk could be up there in interest too but somehow the situation was a bit more limited than the Thing's. Spider-Man wore out some of his Aunt May is really ill this time or needs pills paid for shtick with me. Only if they made it that she was being conned and he couldn't quite do enough about that did it get interesting. Ben Grimm getting returned to human and then having it taken away was always a little moving at least, especially when Alicia treated him a bit like a stranger once after. It seemed pretty complex to me! So I'd rank him equal to Spider-Man or ahead. The early Ditko Spider-Man where he was a nerd and maybe even gave off repellant spider creepy-vibes worked best for me, John Romita had him gain weight and become the cool attractive 'tiger' character Mary Jane saw as opposed to the guy who couldn't imagine Betty at the Bugle really caring about him. They tried to have Spider-Woman give off creepy spider-vibes to most humans when they started her, women really disliking her, but I think that got lost in the shuffle early along. If they'd have kept the Ditko-era skinny loser-loner stuff it would've been a better character to me. They did play up the loser angle still and had the Bugle out to get him, but looking at Romance comic super-fit Peter Parker in the Romita Sr. style you wondered why, it just seemed like he and JJJ had mental disorders. 'JJJ has a mental disorder' was actually an ongoing thing when Marv Wolfman was writing AMAZING in 1979-80(He wrapped it up on his way out the door, as Denny O'Neil took over briefly; some people gloss over that period between Len Wein and Roger Stern when discussing Spider-scripters). As for the 'Ditko vs. Romita' thing: Ditko's 'square faces with manic bug eyes' approach has never done anything for me...and, despite Stan's dialogue, I found myself struggling through the 'Marvel Tales' reprints waiting for the artistic style I preferred to come along. Romita was a breath of fresh air. I can understand people wishing Ditko could have stayed...but not why people preferred Peter to stay a teenager in high school. Spider-Man's secret identity is not Archie Andrews...and Peter deserved to grow up, 'get the girl'(once in a while), and have a life beyond being made fun of by Flash 'Moose' Thompson(thankfully, he was allowed to mature, as well). It was confusing enough trying to figure out the age of Frankiln Richards compared to everyone else in the Marvel Universe; I'm glad Peter wasn't subjected to 'selective non-aging' as well.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 29, 2018 17:46:30 GMT -5
Romita was a breath of fresh air. I can understand people wishing Ditko could have stayed...but not why people preferred Peter to stay a teenager in high school. Spider-Man's secret identity is not Archie Andrews...and Peter deserved to grow up, 'get the girl'(once in a while), and have a life beyond being made fun of by Flash 'Moose' Thompson(thankfully, he was allowed to mature, as well). It was confusing enough trying to figure out the age of Frankiln Richards compared to everyone else in the Marvel Universe; I'm glad Peter wasn't subjected to 'selective non-aging' as well. To me they made Peter Parker pretty much like all kinds of other characters at Marvel only with an Aunt May and feeling like a loser for no apparent reason other than the Bugle headlines, and later Gwen Stacy being killed. Having a skinny somewhat awkward or weird character (which Cyclops was also originally) was different. They remade him visually and he was less unique, just like having the muscle-bound Cyclops. A waste of a great set-up. People already were saying how if you took the masks off of Captain America, Ant- Man, and Hawkeye they all were indistinguishable, why make any character more generic and less unique. I will say that Romita Sr. did still manage to make Peter an individual without the glasses or thin build, but it made the angst a lot more difficult to take seriously at all looking at him with the same build, muscles and lack of eyeglasses as all the rest. Maybe it was done to conform with the '60s tv cartoon show made about the same time... I still hear that voice whenever I read a Spider-Man comic!
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Post by comicsandwho on Jun 29, 2018 17:57:43 GMT -5
Romita was a breath of fresh air. I can understand people wishing Ditko could have stayed...but not why people preferred Peter to stay a teenager in high school. Spider-Man's secret identity is not Archie Andrews...and Peter deserved to grow up, 'get the girl'(once in a while), and have a life beyond being made fun of by Flash 'Moose' Thompson(thankfully, he was allowed to mature, as well). It was confusing enough trying to figure out the age of Frankiln Richards compared to everyone else in the Marvel Universe; I'm glad Peter wasn't subjected to 'selective non-aging' as well. To me they made Peter Parker pretty much like all kinds of other characters at Marvel only with an Aunt May and feeling like a loser for no apparent reason other than the Bugle headlines, and later Gwen Stacy being killed. Having a skinny somewhat awkward or weird character (which Cyclops was also originally) was different. They remade him visually and he was less unique, just like having the muscle-bound Cyclops. A waste of a great set-up. People already were saying how if you took the masks off of Captain America, Ant- Man, and Hawkeye they all were indistinguishable, why make any character more generic and less unique. I will say that Romita Sr. did still manage to make Peter an individual without the glasses or thin build, but it made the angst a lot more difficult to take seriously at all looking at him with the same build, muscles and lack of eyeglasses as all the rest. Maybe it was done to conform with the '60s tv cartoon show made about the same time... I still hear that voice whenever I read a Spider-Man comic! Same here..well, I alternate with whoever did the voice for 'Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends'. Maybe the switch to Romita, and making Pete into a 'hearthrob with problems like the rest of us', as opposed to 'skinny weird kid with problems like the rest of us' rubbed people the wrong way. I'm not sure if 'Romita Peter' was modeled after any specific person (trying to think of '1966-ish' younger actors...'Burt Ward, the Spectacular Spider-Man'?) I could see Stan Lee wanting to approach it as 'Just because someone looks like they 'have it all together' outside, with not a care in the world...[skipping past the Stan Lee vamping]...'they can STILL have problems! And, hoo-BOY, as Peter got PROBLEMS!' * 'Aunt May needs medicine! She had a heart attack because my new haircut made me look like Richard Chamberlain!'*
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Post by badwolf on Jun 30, 2018 21:20:59 GMT -5
Why does this Red Lantern have "Mom" on his chest?
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