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Post by rberman on Jun 14, 2018 21:39:13 GMT -5
That was supposed to have been skin on Cosmic Boy? I never 'saw' it that way, guess it was too much for even my bare-chested Hawkman obsessed mind (and I don't mean my mind was bare-chested), I thought there was some futuristic pink cloth there all the way up his neck! Maybe if there had been some hair, why wasn't there arm and chest hair? What kind of rip-off superhero waxes!!! Okay, Aqualad, you're exempt from that one... I don't think Grell wanted to draw body hair all of the time. Look what artists had to deal with, every time Wolverine took off his costume... Frank Quitely also drew Logan as hirsute, just like John Byrne. But Dave Cockrum and John Cassaday did not.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 14, 2018 21:44:53 GMT -5
Here's Cocrums Outsiders art, for the origins of Nightcrawler and at least the look of some other X-Men characters... You can see a bit of Storm's design in Trio (I assume that is her, in the lower right) with the poncho cape and basic bodysuit, though Cockrum went well beyond that design. The Y-shape on the belt makes me chuckle, a bit, as it reminds me of the character of Astrea, from the Young Sentinels, aka The Space Sentinels, from Filmation. The series debuted on Saturday morning in 1977; but, the name was tweaked after a certain blockbuster movie was all over the news and entertainment avenues. Note the group on the right, The Strangers; the character on the upper left appears to be the origin of the design for Fang, of the Imperial Guard, in the X-Men and he also has some of the accenting of Colossus' boots. Cockrum's pastiches for the Shi'ar Imperial Guard always made me want to see him do a full on mini-series with them. The design for Trio looks sort of like Storm, but as I mentioned upthread, his design for a character named Black Cat (http://heroeswhohappentobewomen.tumblr.com/post/68665077459/sunday-school-the-creation-of-storm) is really close to Storm. Well, like many artists, I think Cockrum kind of had design elements he liked and they turned up in several characters. I saw the quote about Black Cat, later; but, you can see that he had that idea about a poncho cape and you can see bits and pieces in other designs. I suspect Cockrum was one of those who kind of followed concepts in art and design and filtered in things he liked, whether it was a fashion style, or a design motif, or bit of architecture. You see it in Cockrum's Legion designs, then in the X-Men, and again in the Futurians. Howard Chaykin has it with his characters, with a lot of the 30s/40s crime movie styles, though Chaykin is one of the few to bring in patterns and textures, as much as the basic lines of clothing styles.
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Post by Farrar on Jun 15, 2018 13:08:23 GMT -5
So Kim Metzger was a junior fashion maven? Who knew! Ha! He's written he submitted sketches often back then. And he was mentioned in Adv. #398 as being among those who'd submitted designs when DC asked for ideas for a new Supergirl new costume.
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Post by spoon on Jun 15, 2018 18:16:46 GMT -5
So Kim Metzger was a junior fashion maven? Who knew! Ha! He's written he submitted sketches often back then. And he was mentioned in Adv. #398 as being among those who'd submitted designs when DC asked for ideas for a new Supergirl new costume. Even judging judging by covers, Supergirl had a ton of costume variants in the 1970s & 80s, so they may have actually used some reader suggestions.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 15, 2018 20:21:59 GMT -5
So Kim Metzger was a junior fashion maven? Who knew! Ha! He's written he submitted sketches often back then. And he was mentioned in Adv. #398 as being among those who'd submitted designs when DC asked for ideas for a new Supergirl new costume. I remember Metzger from the Comics Buyers Guide newspaper which i got for a couple of years (along with Goldmine from the same publisher), I can't remember where else I might've seen his name, did he ever 'go pro'? Write or draw comics? Dave Cockrum might've had some help from Paty sometimes on those designs. His Black Cat was another good one, just got the first few of her appearances I never had at the time (I think I had the third appearance). I did have some of the Supergirls from that time and even remember at least one 'costume designs by the readers' page, and I do remember her having a bunch of different costumes 'for real' but I still preffered the one I'd first seen in a Kurt Schaffenberger issue. It developed more of a romance comic style too in the art and even the stories.
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Post by badwolf on Jun 17, 2018 16:48:09 GMT -5
I forgot that Black Cat was originally meant for Spider-Woman! That would have been interesting.
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Post by Farrar on Jun 17, 2018 18:40:51 GMT -5
Even judging judging by covers, Supergirl had a ton of costume variants in the 1970s & 80s, so they may have actually used some reader suggestions. Yep--a couple of examples were in Adventure #407 and #409; in both issues she sported new costumes and the reader-creators were credited.
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Post by Farrar on Jun 17, 2018 19:18:21 GMT -5
I remember Metzger from the Comics Buyers Guide newspaper which i got for a couple of years (along with Goldmine from the same publisher), I can't remember where else I might've seen his name, did he ever 'go pro'? Write or draw comics?Doesn't look like it; in interviews he's stated that over the years he sent scripts (on spec I guess) to the biggies like Marvel, DC and Archie, but alas, it was not to be. But, as you noted, he did work for the CBG for Don and Maggie Thompson for awhile. And here's his letter from Action #396 (a few issues after he came upon seeing his SG design in print)
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Post by chadwilliam on Jun 22, 2018 10:31:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know or recall when Jimmy Olsen went from being a Cub Reporter wanting to follow in the footsteps of Lois and Clark to being Jimmy Olsen, Ace Photographer? I recall him taking pictures a lot in the Superman Reeve films but I don't remember whether or not this transferred over to the comics at the same time. Was it just a Crisis change which was never explained or, much like Clark Kent being told he was now a TV reporter rather than journalist, was it at some point worked into the series? I suspect someone just confused him with Peter Parker and the error stuck but, I'm not sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 10:54:05 GMT -5
Does anyone know or recall when Jimmy Olsen went from being a Cub Reporter wanting to follow in the footsteps of Lois and Clark to being Jimmy Olsen, Ace Photographer? I recall him taking pictures a lot in the Superman Reeve films but I don't remember whether or not this transferred over to the comics at the same time. Was it just a Crisis change which was never explained or, much like Clark Kent being told he was now a TV reporter rather than journalist, was it at some point worked into the series? I suspect someone just confused him with Peter Parker and the error stuck but, I'm not sure. It started in the 70's. It was portrayed inconsistently until the late 80's.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 22, 2018 12:57:43 GMT -5
Generally, he was portrayed as a reporter, through the Silver and bronze Age, with no specific emphasis on photography, though a camera was usually present. The Reeve film was the biggest influence and certainly factored into the post-Crisis portrayal. It was easier to include Olsen in the film as a photographer than anything else.
In the Bronze Age, he was treated as a full reporter, not a cub reporter, as that sort of thing was pretty much gone. Even in the 60s, he was pretty much an adventure reporter, rather than a gopher, hoping to get a chance at a story, which s what a cub was.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 22, 2018 13:09:47 GMT -5
So I read the Jemm, Son of Saturn series today... what ever happened to Greg Potter? Seems like he didn't really do anything else (he had a few Eerie credits, and one Wonder Woman story, and a few other odds and ends)... it's not the best thing ever, but it was a fun, heartwarming story that seems like it deserved to not just be completely forgotten.. just bad timing? (it was just before Crisis)
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 22, 2018 23:32:51 GMT -5
So I read the Jemm, Son of Saturn series today... what ever happened to Greg Potter? Seems like he didn't really do anything else (he had a few Eerie credits, and one Wonder Woman story, and a few other odds and ends)... it's not the best thing ever, but it was a fun, heartwarming story that seems like it deserved to not just be completely forgotten.. just bad timing? (it was just before Crisis) According to his Wikipedia page, he left DC and went into advertising, working as Creative Director at a Connecticut-based advertising agency (reference taken from Wonder Woman #5 letter column). A lot of his credits were when he was younger, as he wrote for Warren as a teenager, then stopped writing while in college, returning to comics in 1984. For a writer, ther was probably a lot more oney in advertising than comics, if you weren't Chris Claremont, Alan Moore or Marv Wolfman , in the mid-80s.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 23, 2018 6:43:22 GMT -5
I imagine that writing and drawing comics is not a high paying job, even today. Seems glamorous to us, but it doesn't pay the bills like other jobs.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 23, 2018 13:03:25 GMT -5
I read Jemm 'back in the day'. It wasn't too memorable, a bit of a retread of J'onn J'onzz in my mind. Maybe it was also lost in the shadow of the Jem and the Holograms cartoon show, or Amethyst Princess Of Gemworld?
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