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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 5, 2020 14:52:07 GMT -5
Interesting. I figured the Archie covers and Rifleman ones were recent phenomenon because of the internet. It is just weird to me that those are desired. Like, what is the point of owning that book? To say "ha, Archie says beat off three guys, haha"? I see the humour in it by today's wording but to want to pay $50-100 for that? Nope. Ditto for the Rifleman comic. It is a book I would sell in a heartbeat to fund more meaningful comics. I just find it interesting that people pay hundreds of dollars for a copy. As I say, collectibility on the Rifleman comic is more due to it being a Dell tie-in series and a popular Boomer western tv series. The meme may have gotten some to post it at inflated prices, which seems to be the common thread with the internet, as so many prices I see are grossly inflated, based on actual demand. There are a lot of dreamers out there, though there are also plenty of people with more money than sense. Any time someone asked me what a comic was worth I told them whatever someone is willing to pay and whatever you will accept. That's the basic definition of a market price (where the supply and demand curves intersect). Now, anyone buying it because of a meme is a moron of colossal proportions and should not be allowed to breed, though I suspect that's not much of a danger. Taking a quick look at Mycomicshop.com it appears that that issue is selling (or at least the asking price is) 10 times that of the surrounding issues. That is 100% a result of its use as an internet meme. Had a longish talk with a friend who has run a comic shop in Boise since the late 70s. As the Boomers are aging, dying and liquidating their collections sales on Dell TV adaptations are extremely soft as Gen-Xer's are busy trying to recreate their Bronze Age collections.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Mar 5, 2020 14:54:01 GMT -5
Yeah I have zero interest in old Western stuff or TV adaptations. Unless the covers and art blow me away...there are some wicked Golden Age and Silver Age western covers but I never was a fan of the photo covers.
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Post by MDG on Mar 5, 2020 17:07:52 GMT -5
Taking a quick look at Mycomicshop.com it appears that that issue is selling (or at least the asking price is) 10 times that of the surrounding issues. That is 100% a result of its use as an internet meme. I see it as being driven by non-comics readers who paid jacked-up prices for the "death of superman" and "superman reveals his identity to Lois" issues.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 5, 2020 23:12:50 GMT -5
Just checking ebay with that comic... there's a CGC'ed 5.5 that sold for $355.... one non-CGCed for $113.09.
2 sold in February isn't setting the world on fire, but there's at least a few people out there willing to pay crazy prices for a silly cover.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 0:13:34 GMT -5
Just checking ebay with that comic... there's a CGC'ed 5.5 that sold for $355.... one non-CGCed for $113.09. 2 sold in February isn't setting the world on fire, but there's at least a few people out there willing to pay crazy prices for a silly cover. There are a lot of people in the world who would say paying that price for any comics is silly... But people spend money on things that bring them joy, and we shouldn't judge them for it. There is no "right way" to collect comics. Buy what you like or what interests you and spend what you are willing to spend on it. If another collector doesn't like it and tells you you are doing it wrong, well f*** them. I've mentioned this before, and a lot of people don't like it, but when I was starting out, the guy who ran my lcs who was a long-time collector who had been gotten into the comics market from the sci-fi fanzine and con scene used to say guys who collected Amazing Spider-Man were strictly amateurs, as any idiot with enough money to spend on it could get a complete run and AF 15, they weren't rare or hard to find, you just had to be willing to pay whatever price someone was asking for it. It's all a matter or perspective, no matter what you collect someone is likely to have something to say about it, but really there is no wrong way to collect. Even if it's silly covers that seem overpriced to other people, or first appearances that some news article says will have a tv show or movie appearance even though no one cared about them before that and they were sitting in quarter bins for years before that. Just follow your bliss and don't worry about what others are collecting. -M
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 6, 2020 7:49:24 GMT -5
True, but it seems likely that comic's value will be short lived, and one could have the same joy for signifigantly less by just waiting out the trend
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Post by brutalis on Mar 6, 2020 8:03:56 GMT -5
True, but it seems likely that comic's value will be short lived, and one could have the same joy for signifigantly less by just waiting out the trend True comic book collectors who collect for joy/thrill of the hunt and their own pleasure will do this or even wait for reprints or TPB's or Omnibus. Investors and hoarders who absolutely HAVE to get the original, no matter what or when or cost simply will not wait. The addict's GOTTA HAVE IT NOW syndrome. For years I wanted to read/collect the Savage Sword of Conan and Deadly Hands of Kung Fu and Planet of the Apes magazines from Marvel. Never did as they were all too expensive in the back issue market. They were all too are pricey and more expensive than I wanted to pay. So I waited until there were affordable collected versions.
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Post by nerdygirl905 on Mar 6, 2020 9:15:28 GMT -5
Middle names. Did any hero actually use them, aside of A. Joseph Curry?
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Post by The Captain on Mar 6, 2020 9:38:14 GMT -5
True, but it seems likely that comic's value will be short lived, and one could have the same joy for signifigantly less by just waiting out the trend True comic book collectors who collect for joy/thrill of the hunt and their own pleasure will do this or even wait for reprints or TPB's or Omnibus. Investors and hoarders who absolutely HAVE to get the original, no matter what or when or cost simply will not wait. The addict's GOTTA HAVE IT NOW syndrome. For years I wanted to read/collect the Savage Sword of Conan and Deadly Hands of Kung Fu and Planet of the Apes magazines from Marvel. Never did as they were all too expensive in the back issue market. They were all too are pricey and more expensive than I wanted to pay. So I waited until there were affordable collected versions. Your first paragraph is quite interesting to me, as I've been recently put in that position as a collector. As I wrote elsewhere, my LCS has a copy of Werewolf by Night #32 that they are currently getting pressed. This is pretty much my last "Grail" book, and due to having made a fair chunk of money selling Magic:The Gathering cards at the end of last year, I was fully able and prepared to drop multiple $100s on that issue... ...until yesterday. While picking up my pull list, the one employee who knows my love of Bronze Age Marvel casually mentioned to me that Marvel will be releasing a facsimile edition of that issue in May. What was going to be a $200+ purchase of the original is now going to be a $5 purchase. I just want the story. Spending all that money to own the original doesn't have any utility to me, especially in light of having a perfectly-acceptable alternative available at a fraction of the cost.
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Post by brutalis on Mar 6, 2020 10:17:49 GMT -5
True comic book collectors who collect for joy/thrill of the hunt and their own pleasure will do this or even wait for reprints or TPB's or Omnibus. Investors and hoarders who absolutely HAVE to get the original, no matter what or when or cost simply will not wait. The addict's GOTTA HAVE IT NOW syndrome. For years I wanted to read/collect the Savage Sword of Conan and Deadly Hands of Kung Fu and Planet of the Apes magazines from Marvel. Never did as they were all too expensive in the back issue market. They were all too are pricey and more expensive than I wanted to pay. So I waited until there were affordable collected versions. Your first paragraph is quite interesting to me, as I've been recently put in that position as a collector. As I wrote elsewhere, my LCS has a copy of Werewolf by Night #32 that they are currently getting pressed. This is pretty much my last "Grail" book, and due to having made a fair chunk of money selling Magic:The Gathering cards at the end of last year, I was fully able and prepared to drop multiple $100s on that issue... ...until yesterday. While picking up my pull list, the one employee who knows my love of Bronze Age Marvel casually mentioned to me that Marvel will be releasing a facsimile edition of that issue in May. What was going to be a $200+ purchase of the original is now going to be a $5 purchase. I just want the story. Spending all that money to own the original doesn't have any utility to me, especially in light of having a perfectly-acceptable alternative available at a fraction of the cost. Good for you Cap! $5 is the better buy IMO. you can use the saved funds for something(s) else. I used to have the WBN monthly collection and sold it off years back for a fairly good sum to finance some home repairs. Now have the entire run in Essential Black and White. Sat on the fence in pondering color version as the Omnibus came out and it went up/down in pricing (currently up again) for new/used and the 3 2018 TPB's were all affordable but are rising in prices. While color enhances, I truly like the B/W version as it feels more like the old Universal horror movies. It is crazy in that you can get the entire Omni for around $120 used, but if you want the TPB's #1 will run you $100 and the other 2 are $25-30 each. And you cannot find the Essentials used anywhere affordably.
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Post by MWGallaher on Mar 6, 2020 12:42:34 GMT -5
Middle names. Did any hero actually use them, aside of A. Joseph Curry? Robert Bruce Banner, a.k.a. the Incredible Hulk, is probably the most prominent.
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 6, 2020 12:58:07 GMT -5
Middle names. Did any hero actually use them, aside of A. Joseph Curry? Robert Bruce Banner, a.k.a. the Incredible Hulk, is probably the most prominent. Don't forget Cornelius Steve Rogers. Okay, I made that up.
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Post by rberman on Mar 6, 2020 14:10:09 GMT -5
Have there ever been any creator interviews with creators of covers that are regarded as having sexual innuendo on the cover? Covers that come to mind include Rifleman #10. Maybe back then minds were not as in the gutter? It would be interesting to know when a book like this gained collectability. Surely not instantly. Ditto for some Archie covers like the "beat off three guys" and "pearl necklace" covers. So I guess two questions....has anyone ever talked about these covers after the fact? And two, when did they become collectible? Like are we talking since 2000 or was a book like Rifleman #10 always laughed and and picked up because of that cover. I believe Scott Shaw!, famed for his Oddball Comics slideshows, has said that Joe Orlando confirmed to him that the innuendo on this one was intentional: That did not occur to me. The original art for this just sold today for $6000.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 6, 2020 16:45:44 GMT -5
On the subject of middle names, does John Henry Irons work, or is John Henry considered his first name?
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Post by Phil Maurice on Mar 6, 2020 17:13:23 GMT -5
On the subject of middle names, does John Henry Irons work, or is John Henry considered his first name? I hit a similar snag with the protagonist of Omega the Unknown, James-Michael Starling. James-Michael appears to be his first name. Definitely not a hero, but the most famous middle-name user in comics has to be J. Jonah Jameson, right?
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