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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 18:28:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know of a story where Superman (or possibly Superboy) explains that his home planet's name is pronounced KRIP-tun rather than krip-TAHN? You never know, people on Krypton might have had accents too... You Americans say...TO-MAY-TOE after all
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 18:39:49 GMT -5
oh! I wasn't just curious about the horror books. Just the physical quality of that brand of book. I may give them a pass then if they are not up to Fantagraphics quality. I've only seen a couple volumes from earlier in the run. They might get better - Man, they are not about showing off their interior pages on their site, though. That is not a good sign. Eeeek. Yeah, I'm gonna give them a skip unless I find a GREAT deal. I was looking at the "Phantom Lady" ones, and ouch, those are a bit pricey. I wouldn't mind paying the price if they were at least of Fantagraphics quality, but if not, no way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 20:14:20 GMT -5
I discovered this website looking for a reading order of the Nocturna stories through Batman and Detective (thanks shaxper!). I was a bit too young to understand comics when these were published, so I only had 2-3 random issues and now as an adult I want to seek out the entire story. That's the setup. Now the question... I feel that because of my age I missed some good stuff in the late 70's/early 80's and would like to collect a good "experience" from this era. There's lots of "must read X" threads on this website, but I'm looking to capture some nostalgia here. So, what comics (regardless if they're classic "must reads" or not) capture this era best? I'd say Avengers was kind of the "it" book for Marvel (X-Men being the up and comer who was just coming into it's own but Avengers was the standard bearer through the 70s) and the Shooter run in the late 70s including the Ultron-Nefaria-Korvac sagas (so say 160-177-all of which plus more is collected in the one Avengers Epic collection from that era The Final Threat)gives you a great feel for what experience of reading Marvel in the late 70s was like if you are looking for a one-stop sample. Maybe add in the Final Threat storyline by Starlin that ran in Avengers Annual 7 and Marvel Two-in-One Annual #2 form those years as well. It gives you a glimpse of shared sandbox storytelling Marvel style, heroes with feet of clay-the Marvel specialty, a taste of the cosmic entities of the Marvel U, a glimpse at Thing (from FF) and Spidey in the 2-in-1 annual and the typical Levitz paradigm* style storytelling that was the Marvel specialty (even though named after a DC guy). -M *For those unfamiliar with the term, the Levitz paradigm is what many writers working in the industry call the style of serial storytelling used in comics where you have A-D plots, where the A plot is your main story and gets most of the pages in your issue, the B plot is your subplot and gets a page or two in the issue, and your C and D plot sore things brewing that get no more than a few panels. When your A plot is resolved, B becomes A, C becomes B, D becomes C and a new D is introduced, ad infinitum, so the story seems ot be continually evolving. However, a change in write rcan leave some of the lower tier plots abandoned on a mainstream book over time.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 4, 2016 20:19:29 GMT -5
I discovered this website looking for a reading order of the Nocturna stories through Batman and Detective (thanks shaxper!). I was a bit too young to understand comics when these were published, so I only had 2-3 random issues and now as an adult I want to seek out the entire story. That's the setup. Now the question... I feel that because of my age I missed some good stuff in the late 70's/early 80's and would like to collect a good "experience" from this era. There's lots of "must read X" threads on this website, but I'm looking to capture some nostalgia here. So, what comics (regardless if they're classic "must reads" or not) capture this era best? Len Wein's Swamp Thing is one of my favorites, and I also like Marvel's Conan from the 70's too.
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Post by MatthewP on Feb 4, 2016 22:58:42 GMT -5
All I have to compare from Fantagraphics is the Donald Duck/Uncle Scrooge books; I think those look a lot cleaner than what I remember of the PS Artbooks. I'll have to dig up my PS books when I get home to see if I'm remembering correctly. Is there anyway you can post a scan/pic of some of the lesser quality stories within so I can see how they look? If they're crappy reprints, I won't waste my money. But, MAN! I'm a sucker for anything with Roy Thomas' name slapped on it. Same for Bill Everett, but yeah. Here's a pic of a couple of the not-so-great looking pages - but really it looks better in the photo than in the book. In the book the colors are much more muted, making all the panels look dark. I tried messing with the picture color settings to make it look more like the book, but it still looks better here. Kind of annoying that they couldn't have made it brighter in the actual book! And a pic of some of the more typical nice bright pages: Really not bad. It does look rougher (and in some cases darker) in the book than in these pics, but that's the nature of the original comics from way back then.
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Post by realjla on Feb 5, 2016 1:13:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know of a story where Superman (or possibly Superboy) explains that his home planet's name is pronounced KRIP-tun rather than krip-TAHN? You never know, people on Krypton might have had accents too... You Americans say...TO-MAY-TOE after all "Is this...Planet HOO-stun?"
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Post by shaxper on Feb 5, 2016 1:16:50 GMT -5
I discovered this website looking for a reading order of the Nocturna stories through Batman and Detective (thanks shaxper!). I was a bit too young to understand comics when these were published, so I only had 2-3 random issues and now as an adult I want to seek out the entire story. That's the setup. Now the question... I feel that because of my age I missed some good stuff in the late 70's/early 80's and would like to collect a good "experience" from this era. There's lots of "must read X" threads on this website, but I'm looking to capture some nostalgia here. So, what comics (regardless if they're classic "must reads" or not) capture this era best? In my mind, the defining mainstream titles of the late 1970s and early 1980s were X-men and The New Teen Titans. Of the two, I'm starting to think Titans aged better. It was always a little hokey, but X-Men was the more serious title back then and reads a little more melodramatic in hindsight.
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Post by Spike-X on Feb 5, 2016 3:43:03 GMT -5
Captain Trips from the Wild Cards novels had to take various drugs to access his various super-powered alter-egos. In comics: Patriot from Young Avengers started taking Mutant Growth Hormone to gain superstrength and became addicted. Speed McGee from The Flash used a combination of steroids and implants to give him super speed equal to Wally's and became an addict. Johnny Quick in JLA: Earth 2 uses some kind of addictive drug called Speed Juice to gain his powers. Kraven the Hunter gained his powers from a jungle herbal serum. This drug seems to have had a deleterious effect on the sanity of his sons who have tried to take over his mantle. I think there was a storyline where Captain America was on something. It was the "streets of poison " storyline. Batman took Venom before Bane did. The original Hourman was hooked on miraclo. And let's not forget Roger Ramjet, constantly popping those proton energy pills.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 6:42:53 GMT -5
Here's a pic of a couple of the not-so-great looking pages - but really it looks better in the photo than in the book. In the book the colors are much more muted, making all the panels look dark. I tried messing with the picture color settings to make it look more like the book, but it still looks better here. Kind of annoying that they couldn't have made it brighter in the actual book! And a pic of some of the more typical nice bright pages: Really not bad. It does look rougher (and in some cases darker) in the book than in these pics, but that's the nature of the original comics from way back then. Thank you for these! I can see where those duller pages look quite awful. What I don't understand is why would they go through the process of touch up for some but not all of the pages? And the Phantom Lady ones were the ones I was looking at, too, so again, thank you for putting these up for me.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 5, 2016 7:48:31 GMT -5
I'm not a DC guy, but I am greatly enjoying The Flash on TV, so I'm looking for some Flash books to get. In the post-Crisis era, I've read about the Geoff Johns run being the best, but what is the opinion of you fine folks? Should I go and try to hunt it down?
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Post by Dr Johnny Fever on Feb 5, 2016 8:17:30 GMT -5
*For those unfamiliar with the term, the Levitz paradigm is what many writers working in the industry call the style of serial storytelling used in comics where you have A-D plots, where the A plot is your main story and gets most of the pages in your issue, the B plot is your subplot and gets a page or two in the issue, and your C and D plot sore things brewing that get no more than a few panels. When your A plot is resolved, B becomes A, C becomes B, D becomes C and a new D is introduced, ad infinitum, so the story seems ot be continually evolving. However, a change in write rcan leave some of the lower tier plots abandoned on a mainstream book over time. I had no idea about this paradigm, but it explains perfectly what I like about comics from this era. Reading those random comics as a kid I always felt like I was reading a story much larger than what was contained in those 20+ pages. It didn't feel like the comic was incomplete, but rather there was a real world happening behind the scenes (eg. when Commissioner Gordan stop talking to Batman he didn't just freeze until their next meeting, but rather I believed he when back to his office to file paperwork ). That makes for great world building. Thanks for the Marvel suggestions, but I'm a DC guy for the most part. Other than the Swamp Thing and Titans suggestions (which I'll checkout), what was tops from DC that fits the late 70's to early 80's era/paradigm?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 5, 2016 9:49:39 GMT -5
I'm not a DC guy, but I am greatly enjoying The Flash on TV, so I'm looking for some Flash books to get. In the post-Crisis era, I've read about the Geoff Johns run being the best, but what is the opinion of you fine folks? Should I go and try to hunt it down? I haven't read a ton of it, but I find Barry Allen pretty boring... I'd go with Wally West era for sure. You could start from the beginning of his series (Which is pretty standard superhero fare), or start with the 1st Waid run, where they get into the Speed Force stuff. The Wally-Linda relationship is one of the better (and underated) couple portrayals in comics, IMO. I'm not a Johns fan, either on Flash or in general... I'd say Waid's run is WAY better, and the initial run (Guice, I think?) is also very good.
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 5, 2016 10:13:49 GMT -5
I'm not a DC guy, but I am greatly enjoying The Flash on TV, so I'm looking for some Flash books to get. In the post-Crisis era, I've read about the Geoff Johns run being the best, but what is the opinion of you fine folks? Should I go and try to hunt it down? Not as big a DC fan either, but the one post-Crisis run I always heard a lot of praise for was the Waid run. edit: Oh and a there were a lot of really big fans of William Messner-Loebs run. edit2: Both Waid and Johns have had multiple runs on the Flash. I think consencus is that their first runs are best in both cases.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 5, 2016 10:33:07 GMT -5
Thanks! There was actually a poll put up over at our former home just last week asking which run was better, Waid's or Johns'. It is currently heavily tilted toward Waid (47-19, or something close to that), but most of that is due to his development of Wally West during the run. Johns' run is the one that used and really developed the Rogues, which is something I am interested in.
You know what? I'll try to track down both of them. Problem solved.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 10:40:05 GMT -5
Wally West will always be my Flash. I recognize and appreciate (and enjoy!) both Jay and Barry, but Wally's time as Flash is my favorite. He is one of my fave characters. His comics just hit the spot with me.
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