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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 14, 2023 14:15:07 GMT -5
How do you pronounce Genosha? With a soft G as in Genesis, or a hard one as in Gethsemane? Wikipedia suggests both and I never heard Chris Claremont say it out loud.
I'd personally favour a hard G, as "Gene-osha" sounds a little too much on the nose for a country based on the genetic exploitation of part of its population. Plus Genoshans sound to me like they're often from Dutch stock.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 14, 2023 14:31:53 GMT -5
I pronounced it with a hard G until I realised that it was a play on "gene" or "genetics" so I would now say that it is a soft G.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 14, 2023 20:19:56 GMT -5
How do you pronounce Genosha? With a soft G as in Genesis, or a hard one as in Gethsemane? Wikipedia suggests both and I never heard Chris Claremont say it loud. I'd personally favour a hard G, as "Gene-osha" sounds a little too much on the nose for a country based on the genetic exploitation of part of its population. Plus Genoshans sound to me like they're often from Dutch stock.They'd have had more brothels and hash bars, then.
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Post by foxley on Jul 15, 2023 5:00:28 GMT -5
I've always assumed it was a hard G, because I always thought it was a play on 'Gehenna': one of the alternative names for Hell, but also meaning 'a place or state of misery'.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 23, 2023 6:44:50 GMT -5
Is Starfox a problematic character? Has he used his powers to date rape women ?
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Post by spoon on Jul 23, 2023 9:42:04 GMT -5
How do you pronounce Genosha? With a soft G as in Genesis, or a hard one as in Gethsemane? Wikipedia suggests both and I never heard Chris Claremont say it out loud. I'd personally favour a hard G, as "Gene-osha" sounds a little too much on the nose for a country based on the genetic exploitation of part of its population. Plus Genoshans sound to me like they're often from Dutch stock. I've always pronounced it with a soft G and a short E as Jen-osha. Sure, it might be on the nose, but a hard G is too close to a town in Wisconsin. Also, the soft G is how the country's name was pronounced in X-Men: the Animated Series.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 23, 2023 15:34:51 GMT -5
Is Starfox a problematic character? Has he used his powers to date rape women ? She-Hulk (2005) #6 page 2.
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Post by zaku on Jul 23, 2023 16:33:40 GMT -5
Is Starfox a problematic character? Has he used his powers to date rape women ? Divisive argument...
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 23, 2023 16:47:34 GMT -5
Is Starfox a problematic character? Has he used his powers to date rape women ? Divisive argument... Not really. I think his power amounts to just making people like him, I don’t remember it being characterized as mind control like Moondragon.
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Post by zaku on Jul 23, 2023 17:55:27 GMT -5
Not really. I think his power amounts to just making people like him, I don’t remember it being characterized as mind control like Moondragon. His powers are whatever the writers decide they are. But they made repeatedly clear that women had sex with him because he used his powers on them. I don't really think we can talk about full consent here.
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Post by majestic on Jul 23, 2023 18:41:19 GMT -5
Not really. I think his power amounts to just making people like him, I don’t remember it being characterized as mind control like Moondragon. His powers are whatever the writers decide they are. But they made repeatedly clear that women had sex with him because he used his powers on them. I don't really think we can talk about full consent here. that's awful. Ugh.
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Post by zaku on Jul 24, 2023 0:21:06 GMT -5
His powers are whatever the writers decide they are. But they made repeatedly clear that women had sex with him because he used his powers on them. I don't really think we can talk about full consent here. that's awful. Ugh. Well, it's the same folks who released Avengers 200 and saw nothing problematic in a brainwashed Ms Marvel who was conditioned to become a human incubator. We can say that perhaps at the time there was a lack of sensitivity on certain subjects. And really, superhero comics are the quintessential incarnation of the power fantasies of prepubertal boys. I'm reasonably sure that fighting patriarchy wasn't the first thought of the bunch of white males running the business at the time.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 24, 2023 4:52:57 GMT -5
It wasn’t until he joined the Avengers that the “feel good” power was introduced. I only ever saw him show game with women rather than using his power.
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Post by zaku on Jul 24, 2023 5:20:17 GMT -5
It wasn’t until he joined the Avengers that the “feel good” power was introduced. I only ever saw him show game with women rather than using his power. And how you can be sure he wasn't using his powers..? And really, I think that scenes like this are problematic, powers or not.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 24, 2023 10:35:34 GMT -5
I haven't read anything with Starfox as more of a background character; so I can't answer the original question; but, there is the obvious potential for his stated power to have that context. The problem, once again, is that we are asked to judge without the entire context of the character, in a particular story or group of stories. The panels above can be perceived as problematic; but, without the full context, they may just be misleading. Too many of these kinds of arguments, especially retroactively, try to reduce things down to a very narrow interpretation.
The other issue, stated above, is that these are fictional characters and their powers and personality are too often down to the needs of the creative team, which means someone with a nastier intent will portray them that way and someone with more positive will not. So, condemning the character, rather than the people behind them, is more than a little silly? Is Starfox a rapist or is it that Writer A and Artist B have protrayed him as such, or in a way that can be interpreted as such, in a specific story?
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