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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 25, 2023 5:59:52 GMT -5
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 25, 2023 6:11:04 GMT -5
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Post by foxley on Jul 25, 2023 6:35:43 GMT -5
Hey bud! I've missed you!
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 25, 2023 6:53:18 GMT -5
Thank you, I appreciate that. I miss people here, too.
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Post by tartanphantom on Jul 25, 2023 7:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 25, 2023 8:04:58 GMT -5
Thank you - individually and to everyone for the welcomes!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 25, 2023 8:13:54 GMT -5
Let the wrestling thread drifts begin! JK
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 25, 2023 8:17:07 GMT -5
Thank you, I appreciate that. I miss people here, too. Who are you? I keed. I keed.
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 25, 2023 8:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by zaku on Jul 25, 2023 8:32:26 GMT -5
Thank you - individually and to everyone for the welcomes! Welcome back!!!
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 25, 2023 8:33:41 GMT -5
Thank you!
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Post by zaku on Jul 25, 2023 8:55:14 GMT -5
Just to return to the subject of this image: I don't think everything can be excused with "it was a different time". There are things that are ethically wrong now and were ethically wrong then. It's kinda hard to sit on the sofa and enjoy, I don't know, "The Littlest Rebel" or "Birth of a Nation" thinking "that's okay, slavery was ok back then so I see this movie free from the biases of modern sensibilities." Even in the 80s a woman could feel violated in certain situations. But she was simply taught at the time that it was all right and good to be objectified by men and she had no right to complain. Heck, it's probably being explained to many even now. So when it comes to consent and sexual harassment, it's not just a fad, something that's in today and not tomorrow. It is something of which there is more awareness. What do we have here? Starfox laying his hands on someone he literally knew, I don't know, seconds ago? He squeezes her cheeks like she's some show animal. Imagine this scene in front of you. An acquaintance of yours, after one or two minutes that he has met someone, grabs her cheeks as in her image. Do you really think your friend is just a latin lover who is very good at hooking up or "Something's wrong here."? So what are the options? 1) he's using his powers. There's no need to even explain how wrong it is 2) he's using his natural "charm" to which we add his status as a superhero and avenger. At that point he grabs her like she's his property in front of everyone. If you think this last option in the 80's was perfectly acceptable and such a harmless and innocent practice was ruined by, I don't know, politically correct, wokeness or whatever, well, I throw my hands up.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 25, 2023 10:02:39 GMT -5
Just to return to the subject of this image: I don't think everything can be excused with "it was a different time". There are things that are ethically wrong now and were ethically wrong then. It's kinda hard to sit on the sofa and enjoy, I don't know, "The Littlest Rebel" or "Birth of a Nation" thinking "that's okay, slavery was ok back then so I see this movie free from the biases of modern sensibilities." Even in the 80s a woman could feel violated in certain situations. But she was simply taught at the time that it was all right and good to be objectified by men and she had no right to complain. Heck, it's probably being explained to many even now. So when it comes to consent and sexual harassment, it's not just a fad, something that's in today and not tomorrow. It is something of which there is more awareness. What do we have here? Starfox laying his hands on someone he literally knew, I don't know, seconds ago? He squeezes her cheeks like she's some show animal. Imagine this scene in front of you. An acquaintance of yours, after one or two minutes that he has met someone, grabs her cheeks as in her image. Do you really think your friend is just a latin lover who is very good at hooking up or "Something's wrong here."? So what are the options? 1) he's using his powers. There's no need to even explain how wrong it is 2) he's using his natural "charm" to which we add his status as a superhero and avenger. At that point he grabs her like she's his property in front of everyone. If you think this last option in the 80's was perfectly acceptable and such a harmless and innocent practice was ruined by, I don't know, politically correct, wokeness or whatever, well, I throw my hands up. When I was a youngster , I " went in for the kiss " more than a few times. Many times it was welcomed a few times I was rebuffed. That's the way courting was. Is it that way now? I don't know . Many males are intimidated by the political climate , but talk to older females and they will tell you that rejecting advances was part of the way things were. Holding someones face is not rape, no matter what some people want to say in 2023. Using mind control is a cheat and a comic thing. It's not real in our world. We can disagree without anything becoming divisive or hostile. What Moondragon did to Thor , where she mind controlled him into having sex with her? That was rape.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 25, 2023 11:20:23 GMT -5
To bounce off what Icc posted, as a 46 year old online gamer (and denizen of discord) I talk to a lot of male teens and 20 somethings, and yes the climate of today's society involving the interactions of young men and young women has intimidated a lot to take a very cautious approach to move forward or just consign to a life alone. I've had at least half a dozen young men hit me up in discord PM asking for advice on what to do about interacting with women because one "misstep" and the retaliation is swift and brutal.
I talked a young Indian man down from suicide via discord call because he was so depressed and alone and felt that he would never find someone to spend his life with. And he was trying actively and was getting discouraged. And not one single interaction (obviously if he was being truthful) with any young woman set any alarms off for me, and I am VERY protective of the women in my life I care about. My wife said she thought she was going to have to chain me to the sink where her cousin's daughter started dating. She was one of the few babies/toddlers that wasn't afraid of me so we got close at a young age.
Now the only time a young lady might have asked for advice it was mostly to ask me to discern if a young man's actions showed interest in her or not. Young ladies rarely had the same apprehension of approaching a young man. And there is absolutely a reason for that. When there is nothing at stake you can be bold as you want. When everything is at stake you obviously proceed cautiously or avoid the situation all together.
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Post by zaku on Jul 25, 2023 11:29:25 GMT -5
Just to return to the subject of this image: I don't think everything can be excused with "it was a different time". There are things that are ethically wrong now and were ethically wrong then. It's kinda hard to sit on the sofa and enjoy, I don't know, "The Littlest Rebel" or "Birth of a Nation" thinking "that's okay, slavery was ok back then so I see this movie free from the biases of modern sensibilities." Even in the 80s a woman could feel violated in certain situations. But she was simply taught at the time that it was all right and good to be objectified by men and she had no right to complain. Heck, it's probably being explained to many even now. So when it comes to consent and sexual harassment, it's not just a fad, something that's in today and not tomorrow. It is something of which there is more awareness. What do we have here? Starfox laying his hands on someone he literally knew, I don't know, seconds ago? He squeezes her cheeks like she's some show animal. Imagine this scene in front of you. An acquaintance of yours, after one or two minutes that he has met someone, grabs her cheeks as in her image. Do you really think your friend is just a latin lover who is very good at hooking up or "Something's wrong here."? So what are the options? 1) he's using his powers. There's no need to even explain how wrong it is 2) he's using his natural "charm" to which we add his status as a superhero and avenger. At that point he grabs her like she's his property in front of everyone. If you think this last option in the 80's was perfectly acceptable and such a harmless and innocent practice was ruined by, I don't know, politically correct, wokeness or whatever, well, I throw my hands up. When I was a youngster , I " went in for the kiss " more than a few times. Many times it was welcomed a few times I was rebuffed. That's the way courting was. Is it that way now? I don't know . Many males are intimidated by the political climate , but talk to older females and they will tell you that rejecting advances was part of the way things were. Holding someones face is not rape, no matter what some people want to say in 2023. Using mind control is a cheat and a comic thing. It's not real in our world. We can disagree without anything becoming divisive or hostile. What Moondragon did to Thor , where she mind controlled him into having sex with her? That was rape. She is a professional doing her job in a crisis situation. It's already problematic thinking that this is the right time and place for "courting".
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