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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 10:25:14 GMT -5
Do you guys think it would make sense to start a dedicated thread for all the continuity stuff (maybe "Continuity Corner") since I know some folks really enjoy covering this type of content and some of the topics will probably continue to get discussed for years and years? zaku , I'm thinking some of that list stuff you started would be good foundational information for such a thread. While we've had plenty of other prior discussions (I started a Crisis thread that went pretty long some time back), again, I feel like this is an area of ongoing debate and we're probably way past "quick question" here. Good idea! I'll wait for any indication for where to post it! Great! Check out this thread: classiccomics.org/thread/8397/continuity-corner-roboots-retcons-more
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Post by james on Sept 24, 2023 11:49:24 GMT -5
I just finished the first 10 issues of the FF and in that run it was first brought up by Ben that Alicia only loves the Thing and not Ben. Over the years this has been the view of Ben. And the reason he has never been able to remain Ben after the tries by Reed to make it happen.This had even had been voiced by Reed ( last time I remember was FF 245. So the question is is this still the belief among the team or has there been a more scientific reason ?
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Post by Dizzy D on Sept 24, 2023 14:29:28 GMT -5
I just finished the first 10 issues of the FF and in that run it was first brought up by Ben that Alicia only loves the Thing and not Ben. Over the years this has been the view of Ben. And the reason he has never been able to remain Ben after the tries by Reed to make it happen.This had even had been voiced by Reed ( last time I remember was FF 245. So the question is is this still the belief among the team or has there been a more scientific reason ?
During Hickman's run recently (well, recently... it was over 10 years ago by now. But that's apparently recent for the Ancient Ones that haunt these boards), Reed's students manage to 'cure' Ben (for as much as a cure is possible). They claim that Ben like the other FF should have been able to switch between his human and powered form at will (though they don't really get into why he wasn't able to switch between forms. Most speculation is that it is indeed some mental block on Ben's part) and that Reed attempts failed because they always tried to completely turn him back into human, while the incident changed him at the genetic level. Because Ben had been in Thing form so long, the cure now only works for a short time (about a week every year) before his body reverts back to Thing form and if the cure had been administered early in his career he would have been able to switch freely or at least easier.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 25, 2023 1:51:22 GMT -5
A “home” for all kind of dialogue would be good (I promise I won’t talk about the lack of continuity between the old National Wrestling Alliance and whatever the NWA is now). There are numerous good reasons for a thread, I feel, including discussion about, say, Zero Hour. Check the wrestling thread for a timeline of NWA continuity, such as there was, from 1986 onward. You want to sort out a continuity mess, try explaining the World title lineage, from 1905 to the modern day. I've yet to see anyone get it on one flow chart, without footnotes to refer to another chart.
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 25, 2023 2:40:02 GMT -5
A “home” for all kind of dialogue would be good (I promise I won’t talk about the lack of continuity between the old National Wrestling Alliance and whatever the NWA is now). There are numerous good reasons for a thread, I feel, including discussion about, say, Zero Hour. Check the wrestling thread for a timeline of NWA continuity, such as there was, from 1986 onward. You want to sort out a continuity mess, try explaining the World title lineage, from 1905 to the modern day. I've yet to see anyone get it on one flow chart, without footnotes to refer to another chart. I’ll be able to sort out the world title lineage - after 24 hours of uninterrupted sleep followed by a lot of coffee. And even then, I’ll fail…
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Post by Jesse on Sept 26, 2023 20:14:16 GMT -5
Post George Perez what Wonder Woman runs are most notable?
I've read some sporadic issues of the Messner-Loebs run, and the Gail Simone run and mostly enjoyed them. I thought Brian Azzarello's run was quite good.
I'm wondering what other writers have done interesting and enjoyable things with the character? John Byrne? Christopher Priest? Greg Rucka? Any others worth checking out?
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 26, 2023 21:06:22 GMT -5
Post George Perez what Wonder Woman runs are most notable? I've read some sporadic issues of the Messner-Loebs run, and the Gail Simone run and mostly enjoyed them. I thought Brian Azzarello's run was quite good. I'm wondering what other writers have done interesting and enjoyable things with the character? John Byrne? Christopher Priest? Greg Rucka? Any others worth checking out? I've heard mixed things about Byrne. He introduced the idea that Hyppolyta substituted for Diana and got time warped back the the 40s and was the JSA Wonder Woman, except that was a retcon of a retcon. Rucka had good notices. I never really read much of Perez's run, let alone anyone after. I read the first few issues that Perez did and liked what he was doing; but, not enough to shell out money, monthly. I was so-so on the basic set up and wasn't really motivated to read her series regularly. as it was, my budget only stretched so far and Wonder Woman was never a "must-read" character for me, even with Perez art. I didn't read the Sekowsky run until a few years later and enjoyed more Golden Age stories than any other era, for the character, other than a few select storylines. She was one I preferred in the JLA setting. Green Lantern was kind of that way and most of the GL/GA issues I read were more for GA than GL. Same with Hawkman and Atom. Superman, Batman and Flash I enjoyed in solo adventures and, when I later saw Elongated Man stories, him as well.
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Post by foxley on Sept 27, 2023 3:42:18 GMT -5
Post George Perez what Wonder Woman runs are most notable? I've read some sporadic issues of the Messner-Loebs run, and the Gail Simone run and mostly enjoyed them. I thought Brian Azzarello's run was quite good. I'm wondering what other writers have done interesting and enjoyable things with the character? John Byrne? Christopher Priest? Greg Rucka? Any others worth checking out? I quite like the Greg Rucka/Nicola Scott run during Rebirth.
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Post by foxley on Oct 4, 2023 3:00:29 GMT -5
While posting a cover in the Cover Association Game, I was reminded of a question I have been meaning to ask. Has anyone read Wasteland, DC's horror/suspense anthology book from the late 80s? I have often been intrigued by the covers, and the list of creators involved. Is it worth picking up?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 4, 2023 9:30:47 GMT -5
While posting a cover in the Cover Association Game, I was reminded of a question I have been meaning to ask. Has anyone read Wasteland, DC's horror/suspense anthology book from the late 80s? I have often been intrigued by the covers, and the list of creators involved. Is it worth picking up? I've got the entire run I bought out of quarter bins back in the day. I haven't read it in probably close to 30 years. It was kind of pre-Vertigo Vertigo. I vaguely remember it being worth a read, but spotty, as anthologies tend to be.
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Post by Calidore on Oct 4, 2023 10:46:42 GMT -5
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Post by MDG on Oct 4, 2023 11:11:59 GMT -5
While posting a cover in the Cover Association Game, I was reminded of a question I have been meaning to ask. Has anyone read Wasteland, DC's horror/suspense anthology book from the late 80s? I have often been intrigued by the covers, and the list of creators involved. Is it worth picking up? I picked it up in the spirit of supporting DC in it's efforts to break out of usual formats and genres, but it's not really my kinda stuff.
The art was generally very good. I love Loebs' art, but more when he's doing the whole thing, like in Journey. Ditto Simpson (and I like Simpson much more now than I did then). But the others are folks I can appreciate, but don't really like.
The writing was good, but, again, not the EC/Goodwin type of stories I like from horror. The highlights, looking back, are the semi-autobiographical pieces by Del Close; if there are enough of these to fill up a book, I'd probably buy it.
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Post by Jesse on Oct 4, 2023 14:54:31 GMT -5
Where to start with The Authority? I've cherry picked a few issues over the years including the New 52 stuff and it's all been a solid read so far. Wondering what the best jumping on point is or what runs are essential?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 15:24:30 GMT -5
Where to start with The Authority? I've cherry picked a few issues over the years including the New 52 stuff and it's all been a solid read so far. Wondering what the best jumping on point is or what runs are essential? I liked the original Wildstorm series, I would check out the early Ellis run and if you like it you might want to go back to some of the earlier Stormwatch issues during the later Ellis run that introduce stuff like Jenny Sparks and Jack Hawksmoor that would lead to the Authority. People probably have different opinions on Ellis versus Millar who took over the Authority part way in, but I liked both. The story with the classic Avengers knockoff team appearing in #14 early in Millar's run always stands out to me (it's crazy!). I checked out some of the later New 52 stuff and it was OK, but I like the original Authority best.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 4, 2023 16:41:10 GMT -5
Where to start with The Authority? I've cherry picked a few issues over the years including the New 52 stuff and it's all been a solid read so far. Wondering what the best jumping on point is or what runs are essential? I would actually suggest you start with Ellis' run on Stormwatch which will then lead you to his run on The Authority. Anything after that I have zero idea about.
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