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Post by jason on Oct 24, 2023 11:26:24 GMT -5
DC also did variant UPC boxes where they would advertise other comics out around that same time.
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Post by tonebone on Oct 24, 2023 14:38:03 GMT -5
Has anyone here seen the 1983 animated fantasy film Fire and Ice? I can't quite believe I've only just heard about this. It was directed by Ralph Bakshi, who did the cartoon adaptation of The Lord of the Rings in 1978, which I love, and was a collaboration between him and Frank Frazetta. Plus, the screenplay was written by Gerry Conway and Roy Thomas. Seriously, how have I not heard of this film before?! Anyone know if it's any good? I've seen it a few times... It has some fantastic animation, some lame animation, some great character design, superb background art.... and kind of a lackluster story. It was a noble effort to create an animated movie for grown-ups, based on Frank Frazetta's "universe". Is it any good?... It's some good. I would say mostly good. Maybe half good. Someone just published the first issue of a continuation comic, by Bill Willingham.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 24, 2023 17:05:59 GMT -5
I've only seen bits and pieces of Fire & Ice, but have seen Wizards, Lord of the Rings, American Pop and Cool World and Bakshi is ALWAYS a mixed bag, for me. I love a lot of the visuals and certain scenes, but the stories always seem disjointed and it seems like he runs out of money, at a certain point and finishes the film in a very compromised form.
Conway and Thomas' track record in Hollywood isn't great and, though I like many of their comics (Roy far more than Gerry, I have to say), it often lacks a maturity that would translate to a great film. Everything I have seen from Bakshi suggests he doesn't care about the writing as much as the animation (which would figure); which is part of the reason why his stories probably don't seem very strong.
If you like visual films that don't sweat story, then you are probably on safe ground, with the film. If story is a major element for you, you might be disappointed. I'm a story guy, but also am visually oriented, which is why Iar am eternally frustrated with Bakshi. Love some of his visual flair, but hate the fact that his stories aren't particularly good, even when he has a great idea or is adapting great work.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 24, 2023 17:07:09 GMT -5
DC also did variant UPC boxes where they would advertise other comics out around that same time. Did the Question get interrupted at Elvis Night, at his favorite club? Mercy!
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Post by Calidore on Oct 24, 2023 22:30:44 GMT -5
Even though the quality is unpredictable, Bakshi is one of those guys whose work I always want to check out more of. I saw Wizards, American Pop, and Fritz the Cat long ago (liked the first two well enough at the time, didn't much care for Fritz) and have fond memories of his Mighty Mouse cartoons (and Spider-man from way back in the day).
If nothing else, I have to respect that as an artist, he's a true individual whose work never looks like anyone else's.
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Post by jester on Oct 28, 2023 10:40:26 GMT -5
Was it ever explained why Frog Man left the Ani-Men after their first appearances in Daredevil #10-11, and they became the Unholy Three after that for a while?
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 28, 2023 11:01:49 GMT -5
Was it ever explained why Frog Man left the Ani-Men after their first appearances in Daredevil #10-11, and they became the Unholy Three after that for a while? This is just a guess. Leap Frog in DD #25 is not the same as the Frog Man in DD #10-11. So when they brought back the Ani-Men they left out the character who was the same as another villain they just created.
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Post by Mormel on Oct 28, 2023 16:28:54 GMT -5
I like how Frog-Man and Ape-Man briefly went by 'Croaker' and 'Gort' respectively while Bird-Man and Cat-Man didn't bother with new codenames. (=
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 28, 2023 17:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by berkley on Oct 29, 2023 16:23:13 GMT -5
This question occurred to me in the 50 Years Ago this Month thread but perhaps this is the better place to ask it: Was the character design of Darkoth inpired by Ray Harryhausen's creature from 20 Million Miles to Earth? And if so, where did Harryhausen get the idea from? It seems so iconic that it must go back to something long before but nothing specific comes to mind.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 29, 2023 16:41:28 GMT -5
More than possible. One site mentions that it resembles a Canadian cryptid, the Thetis Lake monster, but he seems to lack a tail in some drawings and hind legs in another. Perhaps the Creature from the Black Lagoon might be an inspiration? That movie appeared three years before the Ymir arrived from Venus. Not sure if there's a creature like this in mythology, though somewhere there must have been a dragon depicted walking on his back legs. In this picture, his head seems apelike. Hey, never noticed that his tail is bifurcated. Maybe he's like the Chimaera, a combination of three animals: ape, lizard and snake.
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 29, 2023 18:45:31 GMT -5
This question occurred to me in the 50 Years Ago this Month thread but perhaps this is the better place to ask it: Was the character design of Darkoth inpired by Ray Harryhausen's creature from 20 Million Miles to Earth? And if so, where did Harryhausen get the idea from? It seems so iconic that it must go back to something long before but nothing specific comes to mind. I seriously doubt it. Aside from both having tails, there's almost no resemblance. Darkoth definitely fits Buckler's design sense of the time, having bits and pieces in common with other RB characters like Deathlok.
Cei-U! I summon one of Marvel's least interesting villains!
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