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Post by kirby101 on Oct 29, 2023 19:13:01 GMT -5
In his book An Animated Life, Harryhausen showed how Ymir evolved from a cyclops to using designs from his take on the War of the World's martians. I don't see why Harryhausen couldn't have influenced Buckler.
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 3, 2023 6:46:05 GMT -5
I know Marvel time and real time can’t be considered the same thing, but some things still occur over a period of time, with characters referring to “years ago”.
So, Fury was an NCO in WWII, and later on, he was a colonel at SHIELD. Was colonel an honorary rank, or was he given a commission and then moved up the ranks quickly?
I know the obvious answer: we’re not meant to think too deeply about these things, just like how some police films/shows feature quick promotions. But if there is an answer, I’m interested.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 3, 2023 7:30:34 GMT -5
I know Marvel time and real time can’t be considered the same thing, but some things still occur over a period of time, with characters referring to “years ago”. So, Fury was an NCO in WWII, and later on, he was a colonel at SHIELD. Was colonel an honorary rank, or was he given a commission and then moved up the ranks quickly? I know the obvious answer: we’re not meant to think too deeply about these things, just like how some police films/shows feature quick promotions. But if there is an answer, I’m interested. Fury earned a battlefield commission, becoming a lieutenant, during the Korean War, as seen in Sgt. Fury Annual #1 (1966).
Cei-U! I summon the answer!
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 4, 2023 11:12:27 GMT -5
I know Marvel time and real time can’t be considered the same thing, but some things still occur over a period of time, with characters referring to “years ago”. So, Fury was an NCO in WWII, and later on, he was a colonel at SHIELD. Was colonel an honorary rank, or was he given a commission and then moved up the ranks quickly? I know the obvious answer: we’re not meant to think too deeply about these things, just like how some police films/shows feature quick promotions. But if there is an answer, I’m interested. Fury earned a battlefield commission, becoming a lieutenant, during the Korean War, as seen in Sgt. Fury Annual #1 (1966).
Cei-U! I summon the answer!
Which seems a bit late. I would have given him the battlefield commission in WW2, in the move towards Germany and then advance him rapidly in rank in Korea, to get him to Colonel, by the time of Vietnam, when we see him in the FF, as a colonel, attached to the CIA.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 4, 2023 12:47:54 GMT -5
Fury earned a battlefield commission, becoming a lieutenant, during the Korean War, as seen in Sgt. Fury Annual #1 (1966).
Cei-U! I summon the answer!
Which seems a bit late. I would have given him the battlefield commission in WW2, in the move towards Germany and then advance him rapidly in rank in Korea, to get him to Colonel, by the time of Vietnam, when we see him in the FF, as a colonel, attached to the CIA. It’s almost impossible that someone his age with a battlefield commission makes Colonel. Especially not in that short a period of time. Forget it, Cody. It’s Marveltown.
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 4, 2023 13:36:27 GMT -5
Makes me think of the unrealistic promotion times in the Police Academy films. The cadets graduate from the police academy in 1984, yet most of them return as sergeants within two years to help the 1986 class train.
Lt. Mauser (Art Metrano) is promoted to captain in the second film - which takes place in 1985 - yet in the very next film, which is set a year later, he’s the commandant of a police academy.
There sure were some fast promotions in those films!
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 4, 2023 14:38:29 GMT -5
Which seems a bit late. I would have given him the battlefield commission in WW2, in the move towards Germany and then advance him rapidly in rank in Korea, to get him to Colonel, by the time of Vietnam, when we see him in the FF, as a colonel, attached to the CIA. It’s almost impossible that someone his age with a battlefield commission makes Colonel. Especially not in that short a period of time. Forget it, Cody. It’s Marveltown. Fury's age is a bit nebulous; but, here is a real world example. Audie Murphy, the most decorated American soldier of WW2, was given a battlefield commission and promoted to 1st lieutenant, in February of 1945. After the war, his division reverted to being a Texas National Guard unit and he went into the reserves, but, he rose to the rank of captain, in 1950 and trained troops, though his division was not deployed to Korea. He went into inactive reserves in 1951, but returned to active service in 1955, before reverting to inactive, in 1957, at the rank of major. For active duty military, if you give Fury a battlefield commission to lieutenant and he remains in the Army, he would advance to captain by 1947, at the latest. So, he would be at least a captain, entering the Korean War. Have him on active service in Korea, especially with a special operations mission or two and he is at least a major by war's end, in 1953. By normal rotation give him about another 3-4 years, 5 tops, and he is promoted to lieutenant colonel. Have that service be detached to work with the CIA and he probably is promoted in 3. That makes him a lieutenant colonel by 1956. major us military involvement in Vietnam begins in 1962, so he is likely a colonel, especially with the Kennedy push for special forces. So, a colonel, when meeting up with the FF, as a CIA-based Special Activities Division soldier, is easily conceivable. Just based on my experience, in the US Navy, a 20 year career usually meant advancement to at least lieutenant commander, the equivalent of an Army major. If you got choice assignments, commander (lieutenant colonel) is a given and captain (colonel) is entirely possible, especially if you stick past 20. Wartime advancement is far more rapid, due to rewards for outstanding work, as much as anything. At the bare minimum, it gets you early promotion to the next rank, when eligible. promotion also comes with being selected for command or special billets, as the rank helps serve to add a level of authority. So, give Fury a commission in late 1944 or early 1945 and it is entirely possible and even likely that he is a full colonel, by 1963, when he recruits the FF to stop the Hate Monger, especially if he is running black ops for SAD, in the CIA. That group trained resistance fighters in Tibet, in 1950, ran operations into North Korea, during that conflict and all kinds of ops in Cuba, Bolivia and Vietnam (not to mention CIA activities in Guatemala, Iran and Italy, where they toppled governments or manipulated elections). These were the officers who formed the nucleus of Special Forces, going into Vietnam, from within the Army. So, have Fury do a bit of both and rapid advancement is a done deal. If you consider the average age of a combat soldier in WW2 to be 23, then Fury, who was not in the Army prior to the war, is probably not older than about 25. It is never stated how old he is, though Kirby made him look a bit older than the rest (and Dum-Dum) to make them more experienced. However, later stories place Fury outside the military before Peal Harbor. So, he could be a young, but capable sergeant. Audie Murphy was made a non-com at the age of 18, after enlisting at 17 (with a falsified letter from his sister, indicating he was a year old than he actually was). Murphy was baby faced even in his 30s (me, too); Fury was a veteran street fighter and could have looked older and acted more mature than his years. My point being, a battlefield commission in WW2 is more likely to rise to colonel, in the 60s, than a battlefield commission in Korea.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 4, 2023 14:49:01 GMT -5
For another example of the rapid advancement in wartime, Dick Winters, of Easy Company, 501st PIR, 101st Airborne division (the Band of Brothers) rose from 2nd lieutenant, at Tacoa, to major, in about 2-3 years, thanks to his command abilities and his actions on D-Day and the performance of Easy Company in Normandy and Holland, which got him kicked upstairs to battalion XO. Promotion to captain came with being given command of Easy Company and major came with the battalion promotion. He was recalled to service for Korea, but was allowed to return to inactive status. Had he made the Army a career, he would have likely been at least a Lt Colonel in Korea and a full colonel by war's end, or at least by 1955. Given his leadership skill, he could have made flag rank (general). He had enough of fighting at the end of WW2, and being recalled didn't sit well, with Korea, which is part of why they actually released him, given his reputation and accomplishments.
Given this fictional world, it seems a bit more logical that the leader of the legendary Howling Commandos would easily be a colonel by the early 60s, if promoted in the 40s, rather than the 50s.
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Post by Rob Allen on Nov 4, 2023 15:47:08 GMT -5
Another real-life example: my wife got her commission as an Air Force second lieutenant in 1972 and retired as a major in 1994. She worked in logistics and contracting, not combat-related operations, or she might have risen higher.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 4, 2023 18:23:21 GMT -5
Perhaps it was the very fact that Fury managed to advance from lieutenant to colonel in just twelve years, possibly on the strength of whatever unchronicled missions he performed for the CIA during that time, that impressed the higher-ups at SHIELD enough to offer him the director position.
Cei-U! I summon the resume gap!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 4, 2023 18:40:21 GMT -5
Perhaps it was the very fact that Fury managed to advance from lieutenant to colonel in just twelve years, possibly on the strength of whatever unchronicled missions he performed for the CIA during that time, that impressed the higher-ups at SHIELD enough to offer him the director position. Cei-U! I summon the resume gap! Untold Jobs of Nick Fury
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 4, 2023 18:43:18 GMT -5
Perhaps it was the very fact that Fury managed to advance from lieutenant to colonel in just twelve years, possibly on the strength of whatever unchronicled missions he performed for the CIA during that time, that impressed the higher-ups at SHIELD enough to offer him the director position. Cei-U! I summon the resume gap! Which has a certain logic to it, especially after the Hate Monger battle. Here's n experienced special operations soldier, intelligence officer and someone who can coordinate with superhuman operators. Perfect resume for someone to handle a special security organization that specializes in global threats.
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 4, 2023 19:03:27 GMT -5
So now, Cody, you just need to tell us why bumbling Captain Mauser, left dangling at the end of Police Academy 2, was a commandant in the third film. He’s like the complete opposite of Nick Fury. Surely she should have been demoted?
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Post by foxley on Nov 4, 2023 21:26:10 GMT -5
Makes me think of the unrealistic promotion times in the Police Academy films. The cadets graduate from the police academy in 1984, yet most of them return as sergeants within two years to help the 1986 class train. Lt. Mauser (Art Metrano) is promoted to captain in the second film - which takes place in 1985 - yet in the very next film, which is set a year later, he’s the commandant of a police academy. There sure were some fast promotions in those films! Cause I always go to the Police Academy films for their gritty realism.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 4, 2023 21:40:17 GMT -5
So now, Cody, you just need to tell us why bumbling Captain Mauser, left dangling at the end of Police Academy 2, was a commandant in the third film. He’s like the complete opposite of Nick Fury. Surely she should have been demoted? The Peter Principle; he failed upwards. It happens. Gerry Conway as Marvel EIC.
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