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Post by MWGallaher on Jan 27, 2024 17:00:47 GMT -5
I'm now working my way through various Masters of the Universe comics over the years for a thread and I ran into something that has been confusing me since I was a kid. In Star Comics (the Marvel comics imprint for licensed comics) Masters of the Universe #10 (1987), the heroes are attacked by two of Skeletor's minions: Blade and Saurod (both new characters that were created for the movie that was out at that time). But a few pages in, they are without any explanation switched with older minions Webstor and Kobra Khan and the story is written as the attack was done by those two all along with no mention of the original two and the whole change is never addressed in story either. I've seen before issues that were redrawn/rewritten to change other characters that could not be used due to various reasons before publication (I remember Nicieza's Cable&Deadpool had Rictor erased from panels due to the character being moved to X-Factor at that point, but they left a speach bubble in referring to him) or issues that were later retconned some characters into being other characters all along, but I can't remember it ever seen happening within a single issue. It's not a case of the artist drawing the wrong character as both sets of villains are referred to by the correct names in the speech bubbles. I read it in translation so maybe that something about it was said in the original American comics letter page about it? That's a weird one! My guess is that some question was raised as to whether Marvel's contract allowed them to use characters created for the movie, leading to them revising the pages, and somehow a few of the unrevised pages got published accidentally. I think that's the Saurod character on the cover of the last Star Comics issue; if so, they must have determined those characters were allowed after all. I can't find any sources for reading the Star Comics letters pages, but I would guess that since this imprint was aimed at younger readers, their letters pages wouldn't bring up any production matters, unlike the ones in the regular Marvel books which often did. |
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 27, 2024 17:47:26 GMT -5
When did he bash Kirby, he idolized Kirby?
And the last 30 years, being blackballed by the big two, an artist would find work.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jan 29, 2024 1:43:24 GMT -5
In Hulk #143, it's stated that Doc Samson's strength depends on how long his hair is. I've never heard of that, has it always been the case?
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Post by berkley on Jan 29, 2024 22:41:10 GMT -5
When did he bash Kirby, he idolized Kirby? And the last 30 years, being blackballed by the big two, an artist would find work.
Being black-balled by the Big 2 sounds like a point in his favour to me.
BWS bashing Kirby would be news to me, I'd have to hear a quote, check the context, etc. Buscema, I think he recognised his talent, draughtsmanship, etc, but saw him as someone too firmly tied down to Marvel's factory-like production system to be a real artist in terms of self-expression.
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 29, 2024 22:55:09 GMT -5
BWS thought Kirby's dialog was awkward, but otherwise thought him a creative genius.
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Post by berkley on Jan 29, 2024 23:10:53 GMT -5
BWS thought Kirby's dialog was awkward, but otherwise thought him a creative genius.
I just took a very quick skim through a couple of BWS interviews, one with the Comics Journal and one with TwoMorrows, and that's pretty much what I would gather from those two.
Going off on a tangent, but for those who question Kirby's ability to draw (I realise no one has been doing so in this particular conversation), this quote from the CBJ interview might be of interest:
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 29, 2024 23:23:21 GMT -5
Yes, his love and respect for Kirby is apparent
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Post by foxley on Jan 30, 2024 2:24:57 GMT -5
Joe Rosenthal took the famous photo 'Raising the Flag on Iwo jima' on February 23,1945. It was published in various newspapers two days later.  This is cover of Speed Comics #38, cover dated July 1945:  Was this the first 'Raising the Flag' homage cover, or did someone manage to sneak one in earlier than this? |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 31, 2024 0:35:07 GMT -5
Joe Rosenthal took the famous photo 'Raising the Flag on Iwo jima' on February 23,1945. It was published in various newspapers two days later. This is cover of Speed Comics #38, cover dated July 1945: Was this the first 'Raising the Flag' homage cover, or did someone manage to sneak one in earlier than this? Possibly, though that would mean the comic came out a couple of months, or so earlier, which would be May or possibly April, which means the idea came pretty close tot he release of the photo. By August 6, there would be no more need for war bonds, so the patriotic impetus is gone. I suspect the homages came faster after the dedication to the US Marine Corps Memorial, with the iconic image, in 1954. The bigger question is what was the first image of the Marines planting it in someone's sphincter? |
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Post by tonebone on Jan 31, 2024 10:42:09 GMT -5
The bigger question is what was the first image of the Marines planting it in someone's sphincter? What the fuck??? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 31, 2024 10:46:07 GMT -5
Yes, his love and respect for Kirby is apparent There was a TCJ interview in the 90's where he had negative things to say about Kirby, J Buscema, all the Image guys among others. He was an a$$hole in the business and was blackballed by the big 2, that's why he worked for the Pariah Jim Shooter in Valiant. Barry windbag was his name when he visited Marvels offices. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 31, 2024 10:48:40 GMT -5
Yes, his love and respect for Kirby is apparent There was a TCJ interview in the 90's where he had negative things to say about Kirby, J Buscema, all the Image guys among others. H e was an a$$hole in the business and was blackballed by the big 2, that's why he worked for the Pariah Jim Shooter in Valiant. Barry windbag was his name when he visited Marvels offices. That didn't get Mort Weisinger blackballed. Or Robert Kanigher. Or... |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 31, 2024 10:52:57 GMT -5
Well, it eventually got Smith vanished. Artists in this business are expendable.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jan 31, 2024 12:22:22 GMT -5
Ralph Reese has written on his Facebook page about what a jerk Barry was to other young artists in the 70s.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 31, 2024 12:45:06 GMT -5
The bigger question is what was the first image of the Marines planting it in someone's sphincter? What the fuck??? You've never seen such images? It was an old standard in the late 70s and through the Reagan years, of the flag being "planted" in the Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi or similar "enemies." T-shirts, cartoons, bumper stickers........especially a favorite merchandising item at military surplus stores and catalogs. Not advocating it...just that it was a favorite image for political commentary by a certain crowd. |
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