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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 13:19:01 GMT -5
Anyone own Mad 12 (1954) with Starchie? Not sure if all copies have a blank page before the Mark Trade story???
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 23, 2024 13:26:50 GMT -5
I can't speak for every copy but my scanned copy of the original does indeed have a blank page there. Pretty weird, if'n you axe me.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 23, 2024 14:01:43 GMT -5
I just looked at one of the sites we are not suppose to go to and their scanned copy had the blank page.
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Post by Jeddak on Mar 23, 2024 15:47:19 GMT -5
It's deliberate. That blank page is the last page of the story before Mark Trade. It's a story supposedly in 3-D, and the writer/narrator is trying to get from one panel to another (to get at a hot woman), but he breaks the panel borders and everything falls off the fifth page, leaving the last page blank.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 23, 2024 16:06:18 GMT -5
It's deliberate. That blank page is the last page of the story before Mark Trade. It's a story supposedly in 3-D, and the writer/narrator is trying to get from one panel to another (to get at a hot woman), but he breaks the panel borders and everything falls off the fifth page, leaving the last page blank. Just as I suspected.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 16:20:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses, I can sleep better tonight now  |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 23, 2024 16:36:44 GMT -5
Just to confirm what Jeddak noted, yes, it's indeed part of a story. So, for example, it's reprinted that way in the MAD's Original Idiots Wally Wood tpb. Here's the two preceding pages...  ...and then the blank page:  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 23, 2024 17:19:32 GMT -5
I have a Wolverine question. In the opening pages of Giant-Size X-Men #1, when Wolverine first appears, one of Claremont's captions says "The agent cipher-known as Weapon X...but better known to us as -- The Wolverine!" My question is, would Wolverine actually have been that well known to your average Marvel reader or X-Men fan on 1975 when that comic came out? I know he had appeared in a couple of issues of The Hulk the year before (#180 and 181), but had he been seen anywhere else prior to Giant-Size X-Men #1? Wolverine's debut, in The Hulk, was promoted with a house ad, which is how I first saw him (in Thor #229); so. I knew who he was, without ever seeing that Hulk story, until a decade or so later, in a reprint.  Enough time had passed that I didn't recall that the mask was different, in X-Men. |
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Post by Confessor on Mar 23, 2024 17:22:22 GMT -5
I have a Wolverine question. In the opening pages of Giant-Size X-Men #1, when Wolverine first appears, one of Claremont's captions says "The agent cipher-known as Weapon X...but better known to us as -- The Wolverine!" My question is, would Wolverine actually have been that well known to your average Marvel reader or X-Men fan on 1975 when that comic came out? I know he had appeared in a couple of issues of The Hulk the year before (#180 and 181), but had he been seen anywhere else prior to Giant-Size X-Men #1? Wolverine's debut, in The Hulk, was promoted with a house ad, which is how I first saw him (in Thor #229); so. I knew who he was, without ever seeing that Hulk story, until a decade or so later, in a reprint. Enough time had passed that I didn't recall that the mask was different, in X-Men. Do we think that Marvel were really pushing him because he was a Canadian superhero, which was a rarity at the time? Hence the "because you demanded it" hype blurb. But if that's the case, why not launch him in his own mag? |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 23, 2024 17:49:40 GMT -5
Wolverine's debut, in The Hulk, was promoted with a house ad, which is how I first saw him (in Thor #229); so. I knew who he was, without ever seeing that Hulk story, until a decade or so later, in a reprint. Enough time had passed that I didn't recall that the mask was different, in X-Men. Do we think that Marvel were really pushing him because he was a Canadian superhero, which was a rarity at the time? Hence the "because you demanded it" hype blurb. But if that's the case, why not launch him in his own mag? The story I have read is that Roy specifically asked Len to create a character, to be called Wolverine, specifically a Canadian, to help boost sales in Canada. Len devised the character elements and John Romita devised the character design and Herb Trimpe drew the specific debut comic. There was a definite push behind the character; but, I suspect they wanted to test the waters, before committing to a Wolverine comic or a regular series with the character. So, he was tested in the Hulk. In this interview, Len says the idea of reviving the X-Men, as an international team had been in discussion "for a while," and he ended up assigned to it when another writer fell through, but only as a temporary assignment. So, two things converged: the idea to create a Canadian hero, to boost sales in Canada, leading to the creation of Wolverine, and an international team to do the same in other markets, which Len ended up with the assignment, after the initial writer fell through, and he put Wolverine in there. Roy might have intended Wolverine to be there, after his debut, or that might have just been the first spark to do more with heroes from outside the US. |
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Post by spoon on Mar 23, 2024 18:59:50 GMT -5
I have a Wolverine question. In the opening pages of Giant-Size X-Men #1, when Wolverine first appears, one of Claremont's captions says "The agent cipher-known as Weapon X...but better known to us as -- The Wolverine!" My question is, would Wolverine actually have been that well known to your average Marvel reader or X-Men fan on 1975 when that comic came out? I know he had appeared in a couple of issues of The Hulk the year before (#180 and 181), but had he been seen anywhere else prior to Giant-Size X-Men #1? Wolverine also appeared in Incredible Hulk #182. Like #180, where Wolverine had a cameo on the last page to set up #181, he appeared briefly at the beginning of #182 to wrap up events from #181. |
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Post by zaku on Mar 24, 2024 4:10:24 GMT -5
Call me a neanderthal; but I don't see what is "borderline toxic." They are a romantic couple, in a committed relationship and he shows some affection, while talking about how he could build a new career, by promoting her flower shop and improving her business. I would say the last panel shows a cowardice on DC's part to make it a deeper relationship, though, at the same time, having Dinah being a little wary of something involving a long term commitment, with a guy who fights criminals and super villains, is reasonable. Does he cause her to break a pot? Yep. Did he ask her if she wants him to try to promote her store? Nope. Could he stand to communicate better with her? Most certainly. That's probably part of her reservations. That's average relationship stuff. Toxic, to me, suggests being physically or mentally abusive, controlling, treating her as a possession, completely ignoring her desires at every turn. I wouldn't quite put Ollie's actions, within the context of these few panels, in that category, as much as he's being kind f self-centered here, though he is also thinking about using his idea of a career to help Dinah, with her business, which suggests he is giving her success thought, too. Ollie is caught up in a moment, The thing to do, if Dinah objects, is to have her lower the boom on him, later in the story and have him learn a lesson. She doesn't seem to have an objection, so much, as a reservation about their relationship, to admit to herself she loves this man, but there are issues. Superman and Lois, especially in the 50s, got pretty toxic. Hank and Jan were a volatile mix, every time they went to the "Hank has mental issues" well. Scott and Jean....I'd go there, long before Black Canary and Green Arrow. Yeah, I thought the same thing. There's nothing toxic about the relationship as shown in those panels at all. A bit corny, yes. Toxic, no. In a following issue he says she should close the shop because he has enough money for both and then he don't understand why she doesn't accept his offer and she wants to be financially independent. He really don't. For someone always portrayed as the "progressive" hero par excellence he has some ideas about gender roles firmly rooted in the 1950s. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 24, 2024 4:39:03 GMT -5
Those GA issues following the Neal Adam’s rendition seemed to show a flawed “ progressive “ that also had bouts of being a hypocrite. You know, like the rest of us.
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Post by zaku on Mar 24, 2024 5:18:18 GMT -5
Those GA issues following the Neal Adam’s rendition seemed to show a flawed “ progressive “ that also had bouts of being a hypocrite. You know, like the rest of us. Yeah, absolutely. At this point a question. They often showed that the opposite of Green Arrow would be the "conservative" Hawkman. I admit that I have read practically nothing about Hawkman pre or post Crisis, but how did he acquire this "political" fame? Just because he's a kind of cop? |
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Post by zaku on Mar 24, 2024 5:26:09 GMT -5
So, two things converged: the idea to create a Canadian hero, to boost sales in Canada, leading to the creation of Wolverine, and an international team to do the same in other markets, which Len ended up with the assignment, after the initial writer fell through, and he put Wolverine in there. Roy might have intended Wolverine to be there, after his debut, or that might have just been the first spark to do more with heroes from outside the US. I've often read that this X-Men team was made "international" to boost sales in non-US markets, but I'm perplexed. In this incarnation there was a Russian (and I'm sure that being caught in the 70s' Soviet Union with an American comic could lead to trouble), an African (poor Ororo represented an entire continent and I'm not sure that American comics in Nigeria or Uganda were going very well. Or if they knew they existed.) and a German. And the first image we see of Germany is superstitious villagers with torches and pitchforks straight out of "Young Frankstein." Yeah, great strategy to conquer the local market. |
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