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Post by Trevor on Aug 11, 2015 21:15:03 GMT -5
One of my many projects to make space in my home is to read and then donate trades that I now own digitally. I own just about everything Dark Horse digital has, so I'm reading my Essential Conan collection (for the first time). Wow, I knew I enjoyed a smattering of Conan as a kid, but these are some fun stories. And that the art is gorgeous (almost) goes without saying.
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Post by berkley on Aug 11, 2015 22:44:51 GMT -5
I read issues #17-19 from the 1974 Kazar run. This 4 parter ( which started in #16) has Kazar and about 5 other people transported into a world ruled by a race of lizard looking people complete with flying sharks. The tale has sorcery, fantasy type animals and even a Gnome sidekick thrown if for good measure. It wasn't a bad arc. Definitely a fantasy story in its general feel and a much better one, I thought, than Moench's Weirdworld, which came out around the same time or a little later. Excellent artwork by Val Mayerik helped a lot, of course. I thought it was an interesting new direction for Ka-Zar as a character and a series - too bad the book was cancelled in the middle of the story. I never have read the rest of it, assuming it was continued elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 2:45:34 GMT -5
Since Dr. Strange was mentioned as counting as fantasy, add Dr. Strange #10-13 to my list; just a little story about Eternity, Nightmare, and the actual destruction of the Earth by Baron Mordo, so my total is now 18.5 for the month, with more Warlord coming up on the horizon.
-M
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Aug 13, 2015 6:28:35 GMT -5
Ive been slowly working my way through the Dark Horse Conan books over the last couple of months and am finding the monster of the month to be a real drag. Ive also become very conflicted about the re coloring, very pretty to look at, however it detracts from the reading somehow. The original books just work so much better. I also have to admit to liking John Buscemas issues more than the Windsor-Smith books, which I found to be terrible reads.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 3:00:27 GMT -5
Finished the long arc in Warlord wrapping up in #50 (so add 41-50 to my list) making it 28.5 fantasy comics for the month. Issue 48 had the special 16 page Arak preview insert a swell, so going to add that as a .5 to make 29 even for the month.
-M
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Post by Trevor on Aug 14, 2015 6:47:26 GMT -5
Finished the long arc in Warlord wrapping up in #50 (so add 41-50 to my list) making it 28.5 fantasy comics for the month. Issue 48 had the special 16 page Arak preview insert a swell, so going to add that as a .5 to make 29 even for the month. -M Some books were only 17 pages back in the day, so feel free to count it as .9
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 14, 2015 10:17:27 GMT -5
Finished the long arc in Warlord wrapping up in #50 (so add 41-50 to my list) making it 28.5 fantasy comics for the month. Issue 48 had the special 16 page Arak preview insert a swell, so going to add that as a .5 to make 29 even for the month. -M What did you think of the arc?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 10:36:25 GMT -5
I enjoyed it for the most part. The flow of the arc felt a little choppy, but I think that is a function of pages available. Grell tried to make each issue mostly stand on its own while being part of a larger whole, but with there being back ups in each issue (except the finale), each chapter was only 12-16 pages and so each individual piece really didn't have a lot of room to breathe and develop, and with Grell's use of full page and double page images (which artistically is a treat) it felt even more cramped at times. There was a lot of fast paced action packed into each segment, but the shortness of pages again made it feel like a lot of start and stop storytellng, hence the choppiness. The last chapter oddly, which was the only one to run a full issue (and even had extra pages) felt the most choppy however, as Grell tried to pack all the diverse elements going on into it and wrap it all up by the end of issue 50. The result was that the end felt a bit rushed and things felt tacked on rather than integrated (the Mariah/Machiste/Wizard World elements in particular) and certain elements felt underplayed (the death of Aton).
So overall, I liked it, but felt it needed a little more room to breathe and further develop. Even if it had the pages the back ups consumed, it would have helped. I know Grell was having deadlines issues (hence constant comments by Jack Harris in the letter columns, the rotation of inkers (Coletta, Bob Smith, Romeo Tanghal) on the main strip and the need for the back ups to keep things on schedule, but I think the overall execution suffered a bit because of it.
There are elements I really liked. I adore the character of Shakira and hope she is explored a bit more. But there are things I am tired of as well...Deimos has had 3 major stories as antagonist in 50 issues, he needs to lay fallow and other adversaries explored for instance...that hindered my enjoyment a bit.
If I were grading it, it would get a B maybe a B+, but there a few too many shortcomings in execution for it to get an A from me.
-M
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Post by Trevor on Aug 14, 2015 12:14:30 GMT -5
Here's a mountain of fantasy content for cheap if anyone's interested. I bought it mainly because I played a lot of D&D as a kid, and always wanted to try those DC comics, which are included. Humble Bundle Comics - Dungeons and Dragons www.humblebundle.com/books PWYW for - Dungeons & Dragons: The Legend of Drizzt, Vol. 1: Homeland - Dungeons & Dragons: Legends of Baldur's Gate - Dungeons & Dragons Vol. 1: Shadowplague - Dungeons & Dragons Vol. 2 - Dungeons & Dragons Vol. 3 BTA for - Dungeons & Dragons: The Legend of Drizzt: Neverwinter Tales - Dungeons & Dragons: Forgotten Realms Vol. 1 - Dungeons & Dragons: Forgotten Realms Classics Vol. 1 - Dungeons & Dragons: Forgotten Realms Classics Vol. 2 - Dungeons & Dragons: Cutter - More to be announced $12 or more for - Dungeons & Dragons: The Legend of Drizzt, Vol. 2: Exile - Dungeons & Dragons: Classics Vol. 1 - Dungeons & Dragons: Classics Vol. 2 - Dungeons & Dragons: Classics Vol. 3 - Dungeons & Dragons: Classics Vol. 4 - Dungeons & Dragons: Forgotten Realms Classics Vol. 3 - Dungeons & Dragons: Forgotten Realms Classics Vol. 4
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 14, 2015 14:26:15 GMT -5
I enjoyed it for the most part. The flow of the arc felt a little choppy, but I think that is a function of pages available. Grell tried to make each issue mostly stand on its own while being part of a larger whole, but with there being back ups in each issue (except the finale), each chapter was only 12 pages and so each individual piece really didn't have a lot of room to breathe and develop, and with Grell's use of full page and double page images (which artistically is a treat) it felt even more cramped at times. There was a lot of fast paced action packed into each segment, but the shortness of pages again made it feel like a lot of start and stop storytellng, hence the choppiness. The last chapter oddly, which was the only one to run a full issue (and even had extra pages) felt the most choppy however, as Grell tried to pack all the diverse elements going on into it and wrap it all up by the end of issue 50. The result was that the end felt a bit rushed and things felt tacked on rather than integrated (the Mariah/Machiste/Wizard World elements in particular) and certain elements felt underplayed (the death of Aton). So overall, I liked it, but felt it needed a little more room to breathe and further develop. Even if it had the pages the back ups consumed, it would have helped. I know Grell was having deadlines issues (hence constant comments by Jack Harris in the letter columns, the rotation of inkers (Coletta, Bob Smith, Romeo Tanghal) on the main strip and the need for the back ups to keep things on schedule, but I think the overall execution suffered a bit because of it. There are elements I really liked. I adore the character of Shakira and hope she is explored a bit more. But there are things I am tired of as well...Deimos has had 3 major stories as antagonist in 50 issues, he needs to lay fallow and other adversaries explored for instance...that hindered my enjoyment a bit. If I were grading it, it would get a B maybe a B+, but there a few too many shortcomings in execution for it to get an A from me. -M Yep, that sounds about right. This arc had a lot of stuff I liked in it, especially Shakira and Jennifer Morgan, who will be getting a major spotlight in the next few issues. I am also a big fan of Ashir, and I really liked Aton and the questions that he poses for Travis Morgan. Warlord's knack for inspiring people to follow him to their own detriment is a major thematic element in later storylines, particularly when Grell returns for the 6-issue Warlord mini-series in the 1990's. This arc in #38-50 is kind of a touchstone for that exploration of his character; he's great at inspiring people to fight for him, but he's not so good at dealing with the aftermath of the fighting, and a lot of his followers often end up dead or worse. I'm not a fan of Deimos, but I think this is his best arc. He does disappear for a good long time after this arc; I think it's a few years before he's brought back, though he does show up again two or three times much later. As for the story pacing, funny you should mention it and the deadline issues Grell was encountering. The next issue, #51, is a reprint of #1. Then, starting with #52, Sharon Grell ghost-writes the book for the next couple of years. It's still credited to Mike Grell, but Sharon is doing the writing, and you can tell, as the pacing improves significantly, and the plotting becomes tighter and better, in my opinion. For this reason, #52-71, the issues she wrote, are my favorite run in the series. After that, the team of Cary Burkett and Dan Jurgens take over for an epic storyline that runs from #72-100, which I am also a big fan of. It's funny, but even though I am a huge Mike Grell fan, I might be one of the only Warlord fans that prefers the title after Grell left it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 15:46:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I've liked, but not loved the series so far. I think artistically, Grell is knocking out of the park with his layouts, experimenting with page structure, etc. but the final look has varied depending on the inker in some cases. Thematically it hasn't been as strong as some of the better Sword and Sorcery stuff (with Howard's themes on nature civilization and barbarism being the standard bearer for thematic quality of S&S stuff), but better than a lot of it. Dialogue wise it is good, and there has been some nice character work, but in terms of plot and structure, it has had a lot of growing pains. A lot of great stuff in the idea phase that has fallen a little short in how it is executed, and there has been a lot of inconsistency. I attribute it to Grell kind of learning on the job how to write for comics and how to balance the visual with the narrative to tell the stories he wants to tell.
I look forward to seeing where the book goes though. I'll be getting to more of it sometime soon, but I am running through various things on my to read pile using the ole randomizer, so there are few entries on the list I made before I get to another dip in Warlord.
-M
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 14, 2015 20:46:24 GMT -5
Just finished up six volumes of a book called El Mercenario which I uncovered at a used book store today and it was amazing! I've never heard of it before but it's by a Spanish artist named Vicente Segrelles and his comic work is all done in oil paint like those paperback fantasy books of yore.
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Post by Dizzy D on Aug 15, 2015 1:39:15 GMT -5
I've tried the Mercenary before (got it recommended at a comic store because I like Don Lawrence), but I could never get into it: it's beautifully painted, but the writing was always subpar IMHO.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Aug 15, 2015 2:57:28 GMT -5
Just finished up six volumes of a book called El Mercenario which I uncovered at a used book store today and it was amazing! I've never heard of it before but it's by a Spanish artist named Vicente Segrelles and his comic work is all done in oil paint like those paperback fantasy books of yore. Is this the story of his which was serialised in Heavy Metal years ago ?
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 15, 2015 16:42:45 GMT -5
Gonna do an actual re-read of the Bone comics, I think. How long do I have to get through 60 issues?
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