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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 1, 2015 18:08:28 GMT -5
I'm shocked by all the big two focus. But I guess I'm still learning the demographics around here. Im with you there Trevor. Then again, before th e80ies, it's quite rare you'd get an extensive run on a series in the US outside of the big two. And a majority here seems to come from the late silver age and bronze age, at least from when they were discovering their love for comics If it had been about non classic US comicsTop 5 Runs, the result might have been quite different for most (I would have gone with 1/Prison Pit by Johnny Ryan, 2/Weasel by Dave Cooper, 3/The Frank/Fran series by Jim Woodring, 4/Velvet from Bru and Epting, 5/Lazarus from Rucka and Lark) |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Sept 1, 2015 19:13:57 GMT -5
1. Legion of Super-Heroes by Levitz and Giffen
2. Preacher by Ennis and Dillon
3. Captain America by Brubaker and Epting/Guice et al
4. Authority by Ellis/Millar and Hitch/Quitely
5. Strontium Dog by Wagner/Grant and Ezquerra
Of course this is bound to change as one remembers other favourites...FF by Lee and Kirby (the book that made a universe), Avengers by Shooter or Englehart, Cap by Englehart and Buscema, Davids Hulk, Dredd by Bolland and McMahon, the awesomeness of Planetary, Miracleman, Swamp-Thing, Nexus by Baron and Rude, Grimjack by Ostrander and Truman etc etc
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Post by Trevor on Sept 1, 2015 19:50:57 GMT -5
Good point about not as many long runs outside the big two. But I was just reminded of one more that would make my top 3, Rude and Baron on Nexus. Maybe Hellboy too.
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Post by Jesse on Sept 1, 2015 20:21:09 GMT -5
It's difficult to narrow down to just five.  - The Sandman by Neil Gaiman
- Swamp Thing by Alan Moore
- Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis
- Animal Man volume 1
- Zot! by Scott McCloud
- Jack Cole's Plastic Man
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Post by MDG on Sept 2, 2015 7:49:39 GMT -5
Good point about not as many long runs outside the big two. But I was just reminded of one more that would make my top 3, Rude and Baron on Nexus. Maybe Hellboy too. I think part of the problem is establishing a difference between 'run" and "series" (which would eliminate some of the choices here). I see a run as a defined subset of an ongoing series by a consistent creator/creative team that hangs together as a thematic unit. Might even go further to say "established, ongoing series." So, Englehart/Rogers in Detective or Byrne/Claremont on X-Men are runs. Zot by McCloud or Love & Rockets are series. Kirby/Lee of FF or Ditko/Lee on ASM? Maybe not beginning to end, but discrete sections. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 2, 2015 15:17:37 GMT -5
Good point about not as many long runs outside the big two. But I was just reminded of one more that would make my top 3, Rude and Baron on Nexus. Maybe Hellboy too. I think part of the problem is establishing a difference between 'run" and "series" (which would eliminate some of the choices here). I see a run as a defined subset of an ongoing series by a consistent creator/creative team that hangs together as a thematic unit. Might even go further to say "established, ongoing series." So, Englehart/Rogers in Detective or Byrne/Claremont on X-Men are runs. Zot by McCloud or Love & Rockets are series. Kirby/Lee of FF or Ditko/Lee on ASM? Maybe not beginning to end, but discrete sections. That would elminate all my answers.  |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 2, 2015 16:08:04 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is establishing a difference between 'run" and "series" (which would eliminate some of the choices here). I see a run as a defined subset of an ongoing series by a consistent creator/creative team that hangs together as a thematic unit. Might even go further to say "established, ongoing series." So, Englehart/Rogers in Detective or Byrne/Claremont on X-Men are runs. Zot by McCloud or Love & Rockets are series. Kirby/Lee of FF or Ditko/Lee on ASM? Maybe not beginning to end, but discrete sections. That would elminate all my answers. And yet your answers were maybe the best ones. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Sept 3, 2015 0:50:25 GMT -5
Good point about not as many long runs outside the big two. But I was just reminded of one more that would make my top 3, Rude and Baron on Nexus. Maybe Hellboy too. I think part of the problem is establishing a difference between 'run" and "series" (which would eliminate some of the choices here). I see a run as a defined subset of an ongoing series by a consistent creator/creative team that hangs together as a thematic unit. Might even go further to say "established, ongoing series." So, Englehart/Rogers in Detective or Byrne/Claremont on X-Men are runs. Zot by McCloud or Love & Rockets are series. Kirby/Lee of FF or Ditko/Lee on ASM? Maybe not beginning to end, but discrete sections. I'm not sure I see any difference between the Byrne/Claremont X-Men run and Lee /Kirby FF or the Lee/Ditko Amazing Spider-Man. Although the FF is a significant body of work over 9 or 10 tears, it is still only a small part of what Fantastic Four has become. same with the early Spider-Man. I take your point that books with finite endings by sole creators, thinking my choice of Preacher here, should be considered a series rather than run, I think the FF and Spider-Man examples count. |
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Post by thebeastofyuccaflats on Sept 3, 2015 16:04:50 GMT -5
1. Hitman, by Ennis/McCrea
2. Swamp Thing, by Moore/Bisette/Totelben/Veitch
3. Punisher MAX, by Ennis & Co.
4. Batman, by Moench/Jones
5. The Authority, by Ellis/Hitch
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 4, 2015 10:37:21 GMT -5
Keeping in mind that this could easily change depending on the day you ask me and the mood I'm in:
5. Justice Society of America #1-10 (Strzewski/Parobek)
4. The Avengers #41-104 (Thomas/Buscemas/Adams et al)
3. Nexus (Baron/Rude)
2. The Amazing Spider-Man #1-28 and Annuals #1-2 (Lee/Ditko)
1. The Brave and the Bold #78-150ish (Haney/Adams/Cardy/Aparo)
Honorable Mentions to Gilbert Hernandez's Palomar stories, Lee and Kirby's Fantastic Four (#13-93 and Annuals #1-6), Busiek and Anderson's Astro City, the Claremont/Byrne X-Men and George Carlson's Jingle Jangle Tales.
Cei-U!
I summon the faves!
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Sept 4, 2015 13:31:23 GMT -5
Good point about not as many long runs outside the big two. But I was just reminded of one more that would make my top 3, Rude and Baron on Nexus. Maybe Hellboy too. I think part of the problem is establishing a difference between 'run" and "series" (which would eliminate some of the choices here). I see a run as a defined subset of an ongoing series by a consistent creator/creative team that hangs together as a thematic unit. Might even go further to say "established, ongoing series." So, Englehart/Rogers in Detective or Byrne/Claremont on X-Men are runs. Zot by McCloud or Love & Rockets are series. Kirby/Lee of FF or Ditko/Lee on ASM? Maybe not beginning to end, but discrete sections. This is more or less how I qualified my answers, except instead of the criteria being a run on an ongoing series it as a run on an ongoing character/story. Thats why I didn't count things like Sin City or Gotham Central, they were original projects handled from beginning to end by the same writers rather than proper runs. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 13:39:20 GMT -5
Good point about not as many long runs outside the big two. But I was just reminded of one more that would make my top 3, Rude and Baron on Nexus. Maybe Hellboy too. I think part of the problem is establishing a difference between 'run" and "series" (which would eliminate some of the choices here). I see a run as a defined subset of an ongoing series by a consistent creator/creative team that hangs together as a thematic unit. Might even go further to say "established, ongoing series." So, Englehart/Rogers in Detective or Byrne/Claremont on X-Men are runs. Zot by McCloud or Love & Rockets are series. Kirby/Lee of FF or Ditko/Lee on ASM? Maybe not beginning to end, but discrete sections. Love And Rockets has had the same creative team since 1981. I'd call that a run. Many of the famed mainstream superhero runs barely clock in at three years. And that's assuming the inker, letterer, and colorist haven't been swapped out. If only comics with revolving talent are applicable that pretty much disqualifies everything but super heroes and licensed comics. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 4, 2015 13:44:34 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is establishing a difference between 'run" and "series" (which would eliminate some of the choices here). I see a run as a defined subset of an ongoing series by a consistent creator/creative team that hangs together as a thematic unit. Might even go further to say "established, ongoing series." So, Englehart/Rogers in Detective or Byrne/Claremont on X-Men are runs. Zot by McCloud or Love & Rockets are series. Kirby/Lee of FF or Ditko/Lee on ASM? Maybe not beginning to end, but discrete sections. Love And Rockets has had the same creative team since 1981. I'd call that a run. Many of the famed mainstream superhero runs barely clock in at three years. And that's assuming the inker, letterer, and colorist haven't been swapped out. If only comics with revolving talent are applicable that pretty much disqualifies everything but super heroes and licensed comics. Anthologies would count too, then? Zap!, Witzend, Drawn and Quarterly Showcase, Raw, Walt Disney's Comics and Stories, Mome? (The latter being my all-time favorite.) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 13:47:57 GMT -5
Love And Rockets has had the same creative team since 1981. I'd call that a run. Many of the famed mainstream superhero runs barely clock in at three years. And that's assuming the inker, letterer, and colorist haven't been swapped out. If only comics with revolving talent are applicable that pretty much disqualifies everything but super heroes and licensed comics. Anthologies would count too, then? Zap!, Witzend, Drawn and Quarterly Showcase, Raw, Walt Disney's Comics and Stories, Mome? (The latter being my all-time favorite.) I took it as "consecutive issues featuring the same creative team." |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 4, 2015 13:57:19 GMT -5
Then, say, Spain's work in Zap! or Kim Deitch's Arcade strips?
Remember, most American comics before the'60s or so were multi-creator anthologies with a bunch of different strips.
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