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Post by dbutler69 on Sept 21, 2015 11:45:58 GMT -5
Tough to say. Silver Surfer #21 (1989, "You Say You Want Obliteration" by Mike Higgins & Marshal Rogers), Alpha Flight #29 ("Cut Bait & Run!" by Bill Mantlo & Mike Mignola), the Bloodties stuff in Avengers (especially # 369 by Bob Harras, Steve Epting & Jan Duuresma), Uncanny X-Men #201 ("Duel" by Claremont & Leonardi), Uncanny X-Men # 189 ("Two Girls out to have Fun" by Claremont & Romita jr.), Fantastic Four # 203 ("... And A Child Shall Slay Them!" by Wolfman & Pollard), Fantastic Four # 225 ("The Blind God's Tears" by Moench & Sienkiewicz) are some prime contenders, though there's probably something that I've overlooked because it's so bad.
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Post by Calamas on Sept 21, 2015 13:31:08 GMT -5
I tend to forget the bad ones. Perhaps the only reason I kind of remember how bad Sonic Disruptors turned out is that it’s so rare a Big 2 limited series gets cancelled. The only comic I closed unfinished was the Paladin issue of Marvel Premiere. A Don McGregor script and Tom Sutton full artwork was buried under the darkest, murkiest coloring I’d ever seen. I might as well have been reading it under a cloudy midnight sky while wearing sunglasses. I also remember finishing a lot of nineties books that were all art and no story, and feeling extremely dissatisfied. I couldn’t name them. I could probably name some writers that spent their careers producing nominees for this particular dishonor, but there’s no point in getting into that, not with specific examples.
Essentially, for me, someone has to say something that triggers a memory, and then I can produce examples. Otherwise . . .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:15:44 GMT -5
Can't remember the issue number, but I wrote to Marvel about it (in pen, on a torn out piece of notebook paper) and they printed it! (editing the hell out of it, and adding a suicide prevention hotline number). but it was a rare Peter David misfire for me. . an issue of Hulk where a character finds out he is HIV Positive, and his solution was to park his car on the train tracks and commit suicide. it made me absolutely furious, and I have not re-read the issue since that 1 time. edit: it appears it is this one, and it doesn't surprise me (at all) that the morons at Wizard voted it one of the "best single issues since you were born".
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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 21, 2015 14:15:56 GMT -5
One that leaps to mind for me is Avengers #178, "The Martyr Perplex". Some raggedy weirdo shows up to the Beast informing him that "there's something in you that needs killing" along with some other psychobabble BS that for some reason affects the Beast. He spends the rest of the issue in naval-gazing until the raggedy guy shows up to someone else with the same dumb proclamation. On top of that was art (breakdowns at least) from Carmine Infantino that was far, far from his best efforts. Utterly stupid crap.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 21, 2015 14:18:53 GMT -5
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Post by Confessor on Sept 21, 2015 14:24:06 GMT -5
The final part of the One More Day fiasco in Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #545 must be at the top of my personal comics hatelist. Just an utterly terrible conclusion to a terrible storyline that did irreversible damage to a beloved fictional character of mine. The stench of what happened in that issue is still clinging to the Spider-Man comics some 7+ years later.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 21, 2015 15:17:12 GMT -5
I'll nominate the 1964 Blue Beetle #1 from Charlton. Uninteresting characters in a dull story with lousy art. No wonder they let Steve Ditko completely change the character two years later.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 21, 2015 15:27:01 GMT -5
Not to be all reverse indy snob about this, but bad indepedent comics and bad mainstream comics are really on a whole different level. I swear to you that the worst comic of all time is not drawn by Mike Mignola. Or John Romita Jr. And there's even a lot worse than Liefeld out there. And however personally angry you may be that Bendis ruined the Avengers forever he's at least basically familiar with how writing works, even if some particular stories don't. And it doesn't have a crudely mimeographed elf trying to have sex with a blob that I think might be a unicorn.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 21, 2015 15:27:28 GMT -5
I tend to forget the bad ones. Perhaps the only reason I kind of remember how bad Sonic Disruptors turned out is that it’s so rare a Big 2 limited series gets cancelled. The only comic I closed unfinished was the Paladin issue of Marvel Premiere. A Don McGregor script and Tom Sutton full artwork was buried under the darkest, murkiest coloring I’d ever seen. I might as well have been reading it under a cloudy midnight sky while wearing sunglasses. I also remember finishing a lot of nineties books that were all art and no story, and feeling extremely dissatisfied. I couldn’t name them. I could probably name some writers that spent their careers producing nominees for this particular dishonor, but there’s no point in getting into that, not with specific examples. Essentially, for me, someone has to say something that triggers a memory, and then I can produce examples. Otherwise . . . Surely, nothing with Mike Mignola on art should make any kind of worst of list
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 21, 2015 21:12:31 GMT -5
One that leaps to mind for me is Avengers #178, "The Martyr Perplex". Some raggedy weirdo shows up to the Beast informing him that "there's something in you that needs killing" along with some other psychobabble BS that for some reason affects the Beast. He spends the rest of the issue in naval-gazing until the raggedy guy shows up to someone else with the same dumb proclamation. On top of that was art (breakdowns at least) from Carmine Infantino that was far, far from his best efforts. Utterly stupid crap. The worst issue of Avengers from #1-300, hands down.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 21, 2015 21:48:31 GMT -5
I can't recall a particular issue, but the mid 90s New Titans run was consistently pretty bad. I recall issues with art by Bill Jaska and a story about Starfire being cringeworthy. Yes! ALso, the aborted Nightwing/Starfire wedding.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Sept 22, 2015 0:41:49 GMT -5
So does DCs Convergence mini and virtually every 2 issue tie-in count, hard pressed to choose, though the art by classic teams like Tom Grummett (?) (and a few others who don't come immediately to mind) gave some mild redeeming qualities. Same goes for a lot of the Marvel Secret Wars minis, I guess they have proper artists getting a start on the REAL books. Problem is so many of the stories are plain unreadable (I seem to have a much lower crap tolerance than I used to, I blame youse fullas).
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 22, 2015 1:28:29 GMT -5
The final part of the One More Day fiasco in Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #545 must be at the top of my personal comics hatelist. Just an utterly terrible conclusion to a terrible storyline that did irreversible damage to a beloved fictional character of mine. The stench of what happened in that issue is still clinging to the Spider-Man comics some 7+ years later. Still don't see the problem. Marrying Spidey was a mistake in the first place, in my opinion.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 22, 2015 2:28:53 GMT -5
The final part of the One More Day fiasco in Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #545 must be at the top of my personal comics hatelist. Just an utterly terrible conclusion to a terrible storyline that did irreversible damage to a beloved fictional character of mine. The stench of what happened in that issue is still clinging to the Spider-Man comics some 7+ years later. Still don't see the problem. Marrying Spidey was a mistake in the first place, in my opinion. That's absolutely true, but it's the way this was handled that makes it so bad. Why, of all possible solutions (Cosmic Cubes, etc.) would you use Mephisto aka. Marvel's Satan other than to fuel an already controversial issue? I'll never understand the angle that divorcing him would make him too old either, seeing as how they've made no attempt to revert his age. I agree that the marriage was a bad idea from the start. The only way superhero marriage works for me is when both are heroes, such as in the classic case of Reed and Sue in the FF. When a hero is out risking their life saving the planet, and the spouse is complaining about said hero not taking out the trash or changing a diaper, it grates on my nerves. It's often not even satire, but meant as a serious critique. Talk about frivolous and myopic.
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 22, 2015 2:33:26 GMT -5
Still don't see the problem. Marrying Spidey was a mistake in the first place, in my opinion. That's absolutely true, but it's the way this was handled that makes it so bad. Why, of all possible solutions (Cosmic Cubes, etc.) would you use Mephisto aka. Marvel's Satan other than to fuel an already controversial issue? I'll never understand the angle that divorcing him would make him too old either, seeing as how they've made no attempt to revert his age. I agree that the marriage was a bad idea from the start. The only way superhero marriage works for me is when both are heroes, such as in the classic case of Reed and Sue in the FF. When a hero is out risking their life saving the planet, and the spouse is complaining about said hero not taking out the trash or changing a diaper, it grates on my nerves. It's often not even satire, but meant as a serious critique. Talk about frivolous and myopic. it's the same attitude that police officers often seem to get from their spouses, though (I've known a couple over the years whose wives seemed incapable of understanding that their job wasn't 9-5 despite having actually known they were police officers when they met them. Baffling).
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