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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 24, 2015 21:51:36 GMT -5
For me, the worst comic I've read would obviously come from someone I have great expectations for. So my favorite comic book writer commited this little crime : Huh. I should read that. Milligan's my favorite (caveat one) living (caveat two) scripter, not cartoonist working in comics. This doesn't mean I obsessively chase down his work, but I've never read anything he's done that's actually awful. (Maybe Justice League Dark.) Oh you lucky one, because as stated, he is my fave writer and I obsessively chase down all his work. I would love to have missed a few else than that Elektra clusterfuck : 5 Ronins, Army of Two, most of his Batman/Detective/Robin, all those Thor specials, tat Catwoman Defiant thing, Eternal Warrior, Red Lanterns, Infinty Inc, Terminal Hero, Magneto, Moonknight, Stormwatch, X-Men ( I admit I didn't even finish it, it may become better, as the two should have been a good match), and so many short stories in various Marvel anthologies... Some of his Marvel work is sill amongst his best, though : Sub Mariner, Spider-Man Tangled Web, X-Force , and those Carnage/Toxin minis had interesting stories with terrible art... |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 25, 2015 0:47:42 GMT -5
Huh. I should read that. Milligan's my favorite (caveat one) living (caveat two) scripter, not cartoonist working in comics. This doesn't mean I obsessively chase down his work, but I've never read anything he's done that's actually awful. (Maybe Justice League Dark.) Oh you lucky one, because as stated, he is my fave writer and I obsessively chase down all his work. I would love to have missed a few else than that Elektra clusterfuck : 5 Ronins, Army of Two, most of his Batman/Detective/Robin, all those Thor specials, tat Catwoman Defiant thing, Eternal Warrior, Red Lanterns, Infinty Inc, Terminal Hero, Magneto, Moonknight, Stormwatch, X-Men ( I admit I didn't even finish it, it may become better, as the two should have been a good match), and so many short stories in various Marvel anthologies... Some of his Marvel work is sill amongst his best, though : Sub Mariner, Spider-Man Tangled Web, X-Force , and those Carnage/Toxin minis had interesting stories with terrible art... I don't think Milligan really works for me as a superhero writer. None of his Marvel or DC work has impressed me like his early 2000 AD stuff did. I still think his best work was Hewligan's Haircut. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 25, 2015 7:00:09 GMT -5
You didn't like Shade The Changing Man, Enigma or X-Force? I like Heligan's Haircut as well, but let's be honest, it has a little to do with Jamie Hewlet  I like hs Bad Company, but it's quite basic in a way, it works as a serialized strip, but I think it's nowhere near as gripping as Enigma, Shade, or some of his latter stuff. |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 25, 2015 9:27:17 GMT -5
You didn't like Shade The Changing Man, Enigma or X-Force? I like Heligan's Haircut as well, but let's be honest, it has a little to do with Jamie Hewlet I like hs Bad Company, but it's quite basic in a way, it works as a serialized strip, but I think it's nowhere near as gripping as Enigma, Shade, or some of his latter stuff. to be honest, I could never get into the reimagined Shade-I much preferred the Ditko version. And I hated X-Force (I've hated every version of X-Force). The only one of those three examples I can recall quite liking was Enigma. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 25, 2015 9:57:15 GMT -5
Right offhand, I can't think of anything worse than The Widening Gyre.
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Post by dupersuper on Sept 25, 2015 17:38:44 GMT -5
Where to begin? Cry for "JUSTICE!!!"? Clor? "My God...bees"? Robin eating rats? Batman being able to take out the founding members of the JL (kicking the wind out of Wonder Woman)? Deathstroke taking on half the JL? Sue Dibney rape? Barda porn?
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Post by fanboystranger on Sept 25, 2015 19:36:59 GMT -5
Huh. I should read that. Milligan's my favorite (caveat one) living (caveat two) scripter, not cartoonist working in comics. This doesn't mean I obsessively chase down his work, but I've never read anything he's done that's actually awful. (Maybe Justice League Dark.) Oh you lucky one, because as stated, he is my fave writer and I obsessively chase down all his work. I would love to have missed a few else than that Elektra clusterfuck : 5 Ronins, Army of Two, most of his Batman/Detective/Robin, all those Thor specials, tat Catwoman Defiant thing, Eternal Warrior, Red Lanterns, Infinty Inc, Terminal Hero, Magneto, Moonknight, Stormwatch, X-Men ( I admit I didn't even finish it, it may become better, as the two should have been a good match), and so many short stories in various Marvel anthologies... Some of his Marvel work is sill amongst his best, though : Sub Mariner, Spider-Man Tangled Web, X-Force , and those Carnage/Toxin minis had interesting stories with terrible art... I loved Terminal Hero. I felt like it was Milligan regaining some of his stride. It was basically a twisted body horror superhero story with a protagonist who was fighting off losing his mind and his inhibitions. Basically, it's what I'd imagine a David Cronenberg superhero story would be. My only problem with it is that it kinda ends abruptly. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 25, 2015 19:42:12 GMT -5
That sounds pretty cool.
I generally find things to like about even the most editorially driven Milligan projects, like Infinity Inc. and Red Lanterns.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 25, 2015 21:24:40 GMT -5
That sounds pretty cool. I generally find things to like about even the most editorially driven Milligan projects, like Infinity Inc. and Red Lanterns. Sure, me too, but I guess it's not enough to make it a good comic I'd recommend. And Terminal's Hero concept is quite good, and on the paper, I actually agree with Fanboystranger, except it reads really painfully and doesn't really feel like the horrorbook it should be. It might have worked much better with 4 extra issues though, because the two antagonists really feel barely sketched out. The latest two Milligan extended works I really enjoyed and would actually recommend would be his Hellblazer and Sub-Mariner runs, the former being pure Milligan and one of the top 3 runs on the titles (just after Delano and Jenkins IMHO), the latter being a perfect if unlikely little horror story. I've yet to read The Names but secretly hopes this will be one of his better efforts. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 25, 2015 22:10:37 GMT -5
Sub-Mariner was great! I really think that's my favorite not-Everett take on the character.
I loved Greek Street as well, but according to my unscientific polling, I'm the only one in the whole world.
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Post by berkley on Sept 25, 2015 22:54:22 GMT -5
Where to begin? Cry for "JUSTICE!!!"? Clor? "My God...bees"? Robin eating rats? Batman being able to take out the founding members of the JL (kicking the wind out of Wonder Woman)? Deathstroke taking on half the JL? Sue Dibney rape? Barda porn? Wow, that really does sound like the worst story ever. Haven't read it myself, thankfully, but I think dupersuper wins this one hands down! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 26, 2015 6:14:26 GMT -5
Where to begin? Cry for "JUSTICE!!!"? Clor? "My God...bees"? Robin eating rats? Batman being able to take out the founding members of the JL (kicking the wind out of Wonder Woman)? Deathstroke taking on half the JL? Sue Dibney rape? Barda porn? Wow, that really does sound like the worst story ever. Haven't read it myself, thankfully, but I think dupersuper wins this one hands down! All those didn't happen in the same issue, thank god. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 26, 2015 6:17:40 GMT -5
This is the infamous Barda Porn issue.  |
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Post by Confessor on Sept 26, 2015 7:05:28 GMT -5
I bought those two Barda Porn issues off of the shelf at the time (I was buying the three Superman titles semi-regularly back then). I have to say that I found them quite good issues back then and pretty suggestive or raunchy, but I never considered them to be terrible comics. Of course, these days, looking at them in hindsight, it is a bit of a head-scratcher how John Byrne could've ever thought that it was a good idea to have Supes and Barda being forced to make a porno together. I guess he was just trying to be a bit edgy or something.
If memory serves though, Supes and Barda never actually make the porn movie, do they? Mr. Sleaze and Darkseid have a VHS of Barda doing a sexy strip dance, but as far as I remember Mr. Miracle saves the day before Superman can actually get it on with Barda in front of the cameras.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 26, 2015 7:11:03 GMT -5
Sub-Mariner was great! I really think that's my favorite not-Everett take on the character. I loved Greek Street as well, but according to my unscientific polling, I'm the only one in the whole world. Greek Street started great, and then it became Milligan trying to do a late 90ies Grant Morrison comic. The art didn't suit the tone that well either. It would have benifited from a more grounded style, maybe even more illustrative and less action-savy. The Sub-Mariner series must have confused the hell out of most Namor fans, as he's barely there in the series, yet he's always there, you just don't see him. And it had squat to do with superheroics. |
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