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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 6:25:59 GMT -5
Also: YAY Nightcrawler fan! I'm not sure there are many of us here? To me, Claremont's best (that I've read so far) is his New Mutants. I think it's even better than his X-Men. Nightcrawler was my favourite member of the team when I was reading the Claremont/Cockrum/Byrne X-Men at the time it first came out, and I always felt he never got enough panel-time. Not sure how I'll feel whenever I get around to re-reading them after all these years, though. Haven't read New Mutants, that must have come out after I stopped following Marvel altogether in the early 80s. There is something magical about that run. Well, for me. Especially when Sienkiewicz hits the art on it. I mean, it gets wonky and weird, but Claremont's writing and Sienkiewicz' art just fit together. It is definitely up there in my top 5, ever. And I haven't even read the entire run (which, yes, I'm sure, like everything else, I will dislike it eventually. As soon as it probably hits the 90s.). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 6:34:51 GMT -5
And just now I purchased Amazing Spider-Man #211. . . Denny O'Neil's Spider-Man is adorably funny. #211 has one of my favorite scenes of a befuddled Peter trying to escape a noisy neighbor by doing a little web-swinging, with predictably un-heroic results:
(SPOILER ALERT for a 35 year-old gag)
His PANTS. This is totally why I should have lived my prime in the 70s. That page is hilarious. And now I know why Spider-Man is a favorite of many. Since Spider-Man has been around for so long, he's had plenty of writers. Who do you feel wrote him best, and in which way do you like him written?<----Gosh, I've been sitting here thinking for a few, and there really is no other way to ask that question without it sounding like I'm interviewing you. Sorry. Or, wait. Is there a Spider-Man thread where I can ask folks their opinions/we can discuss this? |
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Post by tingramretro on Dec 1, 2015 6:40:56 GMT -5
I don't know how I never realized it before, but:  Also used here:  Original photo (Beware: titties): That is wonderful!  |
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 1, 2015 7:56:09 GMT -5
3) Is kind of a mini-sequel to the story in Team-Up 68, but all you need to know is that The circus owner guy hates Spider-man because Spidey took his Man-Thing. I really like Nightcrawler so I'm a fan of this issue (and this is Kurt's only solo team-up book appearance until Guardians Team-Up # 6 in 2015) but it ain't the best thing Claremont ever wrote. Also: YAY Nightcrawler fan! I'm not sure there are many of us here? To me, Claremont's best (that I've read so far) is his New Mutants. I think it's even better than his X-Men. Oh, I used to love Nightcrawler, back when he was the happy-go-lucky, swashbuckling elf. That was before Claremont turned him into a priest (which the guy who actually created Nightcrawler, Dave Cockrum, hated). Ugh. I really enjoyed New Mutants (though can't possibly rate it ahead of the Claremont/Byne X-Men, or even Claremont/Cockrum X-Men) when it was Sal Buscema, but when it switched to Bill Sienkiewicz, they lost me. Aside from hating the art, the stories seemed to get darker. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 8:15:57 GMT -5
Also: YAY Nightcrawler fan! I'm not sure there are many of us here? To me, Claremont's best (that I've read so far) is his New Mutants. I think it's even better than his X-Men. Oh, I used to love Nightcrawler, back when he was the happy-go-lucky, swashbuckling elf. That was before Claremont turned him into a priest (which the guy who actually created Nightcrawler, Dave Cockrum, hated). Ugh. I really enjoyed New Mutants (though can't possibly rate it ahead of the Claremont/Byne X-Men, or even Claremont/Cockrum X-Men) when it was Sal Buscema, but when it switched to Bill Sienkiewicz, they lost me. Aside from hating the art, the stories seemed to get darker. oooh, see, I LOVE Sienkiewicz's art. By the time he was on art, I was already attached to the characters, and I enjoyed the Demon Bear arc with his art. It was soooo fitting. Yeah, it gets pretty dark, I suppose, but for whatever reason it doesn't bother me, which is weird because I typically dislike "dark" comics. Or, I should say, I dislike comics that start out fun and light-hearted and then go dark. It seems sudden and jarring. But I found it interesting to go that direction with a teen book. Maybe that's why I love it so much? I feel it's appropriately dark enough for a teen book. Nonsensical, but relatable? |
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 1, 2015 8:54:55 GMT -5
3) Is kind of a mini-sequel to the story in Team-Up 68, but all you need to know is that The circus owner guy hates Spider-man because Spidey took his Man-Thing. I really like Nightcrawler so I'm a fan of this issue (and this is Kurt's only solo team-up book appearance until Guardians Team-Up # 6 in 2015) but it ain't the best thing Claremont ever wrote. Also: YAY Nightcrawler fan! I'm not sure there are many of us here? Me! Me! Nightcrawler was my #3 choice in the "Favorite Comic Book Characters" edition of Classic Comics Christmas back in '06. As I noted back then, my cousin once explained it thusly: "Nightcrawler's real name is Kurt, he has weird feet and he likes to pretend he's Errol Fynn. Your liking him is practically narcissism." Cei-U! I summon the bamf! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 9:08:32 GMT -5
Also: YAY Nightcrawler fan! I'm not sure there are many of us here? Me! Me! Nightcrawler was my #3 choice in the "Favorite Comic Book Characters" edition of Classic Comics Christmas back in '06. As I noted back then, my cousin once explained it thusly: "Nightcrawler's real name is Kurt, he has weird feet and he likes to pretend he's Errol Fynn. Your liking him is practically narcissism." Cei-U! I summon the bamf! HAHAHAHA! That's awesome. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Dec 1, 2015 9:17:28 GMT -5
Since Spider-Man has been around for so long, he's had plenty of writers. Who do you feel wrote him best, and in which way do you like him written? Well it's just an opinion, but it often comes down to what you read growing up, though it's tough to beat Stan, as he set the tone for much of Spider-Man. After him, I would probably pick Roger Stern. His was a smart, funny, action-packed run. I also have a soft spot for the Gerry Conway era, as that's when I started reading Spider-Man. I like the character very much on-model as Stan wrote him: a good guy with a conscience who uses humor and clever banter to both mask his insecurities and rattle his opponents. That's a very skeletal description, I know. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 9:49:41 GMT -5
Since Spider-Man has been around for so long, he's had plenty of writers. Who do you feel wrote him best, and in which way do you like him written? Well it's just an opinion, but it often comes down to what you read growing up, though it's tough to beat Stan, as he set the tone for much of Spider-Man. After him, I would probably pick Roger Stern. His was a smart, funny, action-packed run. I also have a soft spot for the Gerry Conway era, as that's when I started reading Spider-Man. I like the character very much on-model as Stan wrote him: a good guy with a conscience who uses humor and clever banter to both mask his insecurities and rattle his opponents. That's a very skeletal description, I know. Thank you, Phil. Stan was the master at setting the foundation of characters in such a way that future writers were able to develop them into something more. Not that I have read every Stan Lee thing available, but from what I have read, that's what I have taken from his characters. I'll read all of those Spider-Mans, I'm sure, but being new to the character, as far as reading him goes, I appreciate your reply. Silver age things are a BLAST to read. But that bronze age stuff, that is the stuff that sucks me in and has me insisting I need the entirety of certain runs. I'm tempted to alternate between the two with Spider-Man. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 1, 2015 11:04:30 GMT -5
Who do you feel wrote him best, and in which way do you like him written?<----Gosh, I've been sitting here thinking for a few, and there really is no other way to ask that question without it sounding like I'm interviewing you. Sorry. Or, wait. Is there a Spider-Man thread where I can ask folks their opinions/we can discuss this? I'm personally partial to the David Michelinie run that lasted from 1987-1994. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 11:22:08 GMT -5
Who do you feel wrote him best, and in which way do you like him written?<----Gosh, I've been sitting here thinking for a few, and there really is no other way to ask that question without it sounding like I'm interviewing you. Sorry. Or, wait. Is there a Spider-Man thread where I can ask folks their opinions/we can discuss this? I'm personally partial to the David Michelinie run that lasted from 1987-1994. You would be, though, as that is your favorite time for comics. ♡ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 13:22:20 GMT -5
70s Ghost Rider got it right...not a fan of the recent manga GR although I begrudgingly picked them up when I got a good deal on about 8 of them. I didn't like the Blaze Terminator look either in the 90s. And look below, I didn't slab them  Why do I have 2 copies? So I can read it twice...D-UH....  |
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 1, 2015 16:20:12 GMT -5
Which ones? This is very important! These:   But I probably won't get to all four tonight, so now I have to pick which ones I want to read the most out of those four. MTU #54 was one of the first comics I ever bought.  |
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Post by Rob Allen on Dec 1, 2015 16:35:57 GMT -5
I also miss 70s styled DC horror comics such as Unexpected, Ghosts and Secrets of Haunted House. These were great also going into the 80s as well. We don't get good horror comics now from DC. What I remember about 70s DC horror comics is that the ones edited by Joe Orlando were good-to-great ( House of Mystery, House of Secrets, Weird Mystery Tales, Secrets of Haunted House, et al.), while the ones edited by Murray Boltinoff ( Ghosts, Unexpected, Witching Hour) were... not good. YMMV. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 1, 2015 17:23:37 GMT -5
Oh, I used to love Nightcrawler, back when he was the happy-go-lucky, swashbuckling elf. That was before Claremont turned him into a priest (which the guy who actually created Nightcrawler, Dave Cockrum, hated). Ugh. I really enjoyed New Mutants (though can't possibly rate it ahead of the Claremont/Byne X-Men, or even Claremont/Cockrum X-Men) when it was Sal Buscema, but when it switched to Bill Sienkiewicz, they lost me. Aside from hating the art, the stories seemed to get darker. oooh, see, I LOVE Sienkiewicz's art. By the time he was on art, I was already attached to the characters, and I enjoyed the Demon Bear arc with his art. It was soooo fitting. Yeah, it gets pretty dark, I suppose, but for whatever reason it doesn't bother me, which is weird because I typically dislike "dark" comics. Or, I should say, I dislike comics that start out fun and light-hearted and then go dark. It seems sudden and jarring. But I found it interesting to go that direction with a teen book. Maybe that's why I love it so much? I feel it's appropriately dark enough for a teen book. Nonsensical, but relatable? Yeah, agreed. Bill Sein etc.... is my favorite superhero artist, full stop. But he was a weird fit for the "Junior X-Men," though - He's not a guy who I'd pick for youth oriented lighter, Teen Titans-y stories. Did Claremont just really want to work with him? I really should read the rest of the New Mutants someday. Every scattered issue I've read I've enjoyed. |
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