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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 31, 2015 17:23:39 GMT -5
My favorite Spider-man run was between the 180's and 250 along with the PPSS issues from that era. I said it. I love that era of ASM and PP:SSM too. I'm not sure I'd rate it as highly as the Lee/Ditko or Lee/Romita eras, but those are some really great comics nonetheless. The soap opera elements of comic books have always had an allure for me. I really enjoyed the Fall of Hank Pym, Tonys second bout with alcoholism and I tuned in more to see them than which Villian they fought. Parker's love life was awesome during that era.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 31, 2015 17:52:07 GMT -5
I love that era of ASM and PP:SSM too. I'm not sure I'd rate it as highly as the Lee/Ditko or Lee/Romita eras, but those are some really great comics nonetheless. The soap opera elements of comic books have always had an allure for me. I really enjoyed the Fall of Hank Pym, Tonys second bout with alcoholism and I tuned in more to see them than which Villian they fought. Parker's love life was awesome during that era. Is this Demon in a Bottle? If not would you know the issue and series numbers?
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 31, 2015 19:06:39 GMT -5
The soap opera elements of comic books have always had an allure for me. I really enjoyed the Fall of Hank Pym, Tonys second bout with alcoholism and I tuned in more to see them than which Villian they fought. Parker's love life was awesome during that era. Is this Demon in a Bottle? If not would you know the issue and series numbers? It's not the demon in the bottle story. Demon was a short 3 issue thing from # 126- 128.The second more captivating story starts around issue #163 of the first volume but he gives up his armor to Rhodey in issue #169 and he spirals downward until around #182. It's really gripping and well written by Denny O'neil with serviceable art by Like Mcdonnell. I try to reread it every year.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 31, 2015 19:15:51 GMT -5
Is this Demon in a Bottle? If not would you know the issue and series numbers? It's not the demon in the bottle story. Demon was a short 3 issue thing from # 126- 128.The second more captivating story starts around issue #163 of the first volume but he gives up his armor to Rhodey in issue #169 and he spirals downward until around #182. It's really gripping and well written by Denny O'neil with serviceable art by Like Mcdonnell. I try to reread it every year. I absolutely hated that storyline (and, indeed, every other storyline O'Neil wrote for the book). It drove me off the Iron Man title--a series I'd been following from the first issue--for keeps. Cei-U! I summon the dissenting opinion!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 31, 2015 19:45:16 GMT -5
Is this Demon in a Bottle? If not would you know the issue and series numbers? It's not the demon in the bottle story. Demon was a short 3 issue thing from # 126- 128.The second more captivating story starts around issue #163 of the first volume but he gives up his armor to Rhodey in issue #169 and he spirals downward until around #182. It's really gripping and well written by Denny O'neil with serviceable art by Like Mcdonnell. I try to reread it every year. Id like to read this for no other reason than the unrealistic resolution of Demon in a Bottle. Knowing the situation personally, moxiy doesn't always win and the quick fold to Tony's chemical dependency, to the degree it was, drunk as Iron Man, almost demands he have a relapse.
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Post by dupersuper on Dec 31, 2015 22:01:48 GMT -5
I love that era of ASM and PP:SSM too. I'm not sure I'd rate it as highly as the Lee/Ditko or Lee/Romita eras, but those are some really great comics nonetheless. The soap opera elements of comic books have always had an allure for me. I really enjoyed the Fall of Hank Pym, Tonys second bout with alcoholism and I tuned in more to see them than which Villian they fought. Parker's love life was awesome during that era. Yeah, I read comics randomly as a little kid, but got hooked on week-to-week comic collecting by the triangle era Superman books.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 1, 2016 16:08:10 GMT -5
There's just no way that the Secret wars mini of 2015 would have not been done on time if Jim Shooter was the EIC of Marvel. It's a disgrace that it's still not finished.
I said it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 16:12:55 GMT -5
There's just no way that the Secret wars mini of 2015 would have not been done on time if Jim Shooter was the EIC of Marvel. It's a disgrace that it's still not finished. I said it. Crap anyway. So, I am not even bothered by it. But, yes, it shows just how much crappier things have gotten over there----->Marvel.
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Post by Mormel on Jan 1, 2016 16:59:00 GMT -5
It's not the demon in the bottle story. Demon was a short 3 issue thing from # 126- 128.The second more captivating story starts around issue #163 of the first volume but he gives up his armor to Rhodey in issue #169 and he spirals downward until around #182. It's really gripping and well written by Denny O'neil with serviceable art by Like Mcdonnell. I try to reread it every year. Id like to read this for no other reason than the unrealistic resolution of Demon in a Bottle. Knowing the situation personally, moxiy doesn't always win and the quick fold to Tony's chemical dependency, to the degree it was, drunk as Iron Man, almost demands he have a relapse. I haven't read the entire arc, but after first having read DiaB (hearing the praise about it) and being likewise disappointed in the rather quick and easy resolution, I should agree with icctrombone that it was written far more compellingly in the O'neil arc. I have seen a VERY close relative of mine struggle with alcoholism, and reading those Iron Man issues hit home pretty hard for me.
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Post by Mormel on Jan 1, 2016 17:03:12 GMT -5
Oh, also: I never cared for Graviton. There I said it.
His whole power set, personality, and back story just feel bland to me. And his costume hurts my eyes.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jan 1, 2016 17:05:39 GMT -5
Id like to read this for no other reason than the unrealistic resolution of Demon in a Bottle. Knowing the situation personally, moxiy doesn't always win and the quick fold to Tony's chemical dependency, to the degree it was, drunk as Iron Man, almost demands he have a relapse. I haven't read the entire arc, but after first having read DiaB (hearing the praise about it) and being likewise disappointed in the rather quick and easy resolution, I should agree with icctrombone that it was written far more compellingly in the O'neil arc. I have seen a VERY close relative of mine struggle with alcoholism, and reading those Iron Man issues hit home pretty hard for me. In my case it's me personally. So as you know too, alcoholic dependency isn't as easy to kick as they made it. However I did like the other aspects of the story. Especially Tony going on defensive as I have in worse bouts when confronted with his addiction. The writer seemed to grasp that aspect fairly well. I think Demon in a Bottle would have benefited from a longer issue run.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 1, 2016 17:38:45 GMT -5
Oh, also: I never cared for Graviton. There I said it. His whole power set, personality, and back story just feel bland to me. And his costume hurts my eyes. The sad part about Graviton was that he was too powerful to get beaten, but he was incompetent.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 1, 2016 18:05:42 GMT -5
I haven't read the entire arc, but after first having read DiaB (hearing the praise about it) and being likewise disappointed in the rather quick and easy resolution, I should agree with icctrombone that it was written far more compellingly in the O'neil arc. I have seen a VERY close relative of mine struggle with alcoholism, and reading those Iron Man issues hit home pretty hard for me. In my case it's me personally. So as you know too, alcoholic dependency isn't as easy to kick as they made it. However I did like the other aspects of the story. Especially Tony going on defensive as I have in worse bouts when confronted with his addiction. The writer seemed to grasp that aspect fairly well. I think Demon in a Bottle would have benefited from a longer issue run. O'Neil captured that experience. He lost his company and was betrayed by some people close to him order to make him sink. It really is worth picking up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 18:23:29 GMT -5
In my case it's me personally. So as you know too, alcoholic dependency isn't as easy to kick as they made it. However I did like the other aspects of the story. Especially Tony going on defensive as I have in worse bouts when confronted with his addiction. The writer seemed to grasp that aspect fairly well. I think Demon in a Bottle would have benefited from a longer issue run. O'Neil captured that experience. He lost his company and was betrayed by some people close to him order to make him sink. It really is worth picking up. I second this...it was more drawn out than Demon in a Bottle was and was able to flesh out more because of it. It produced a four-year saga in which corporate raider Stane seizes Stark International, reducing Tony Stark to an homeless wino while his former pilot, James Rhodes, assumes his role as Iron Man. O'Neil had no interest in the gadget porn that had defined the Iron Man book before he arrived (and would define it again after he left); he wanted to tell the (clearly deeply and personally felt) story of a man's descent into alcoholism and subsequent recovery, In fact I would highly recommend O'Neil's entire Iron Man run. I also love Luke McDonnell on art chores. Count me as a fan of Denny O'Neil's Daredevil run too. There I said it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 1, 2016 18:54:06 GMT -5
I hated O'Neil's Daredevil run nearly as much as his Iron Man. He managed to drive me away from both books. Revisiting both a few years ago for indexing purposes only reinforced my feelings about them.
Cei-U! I summon the double negative!
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