Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Jan 4, 2016 16:20:50 GMT -5
I like the 90's Spider-Man clone saga in all it's convoluted glory. There I said it. Me too!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 4, 2016 16:51:35 GMT -5
I liked it until they sucked the New Warriors into it and got the book cancelled.
I know, it was probably a last ditch effort to not cancel it, but I'm still bitter... especially considering how lousy the team's been handled since.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 4, 2016 17:14:32 GMT -5
Booster Gold is one of the most repugnant heroes to be created in the last 40 years. His whole shtick is that he stole items from the future and came to the present to make money off it. What a sack of crap. I said it. You are ignoring Tony Stark? WMD supplier? Weapons warlord selling instruments of death and destruction? Inventor of how many mechanisms of murderous mayhem? Killer of women and children for the sake of a buck? And you're upset Booster Gold stole some trinkets? Ye Gads
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 4, 2016 19:10:36 GMT -5
I think the DeFalco/Frenz Thor run is still the third best run on Thor after Lee/Kirby and Simonson. That said, I never really liked Eric Masterson as Thor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 19:43:56 GMT -5
I didn't fancy the 90s Clone Saga but actually thought the 13-issue Spider-Man: Chapter One was kinda neat.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 4, 2016 21:55:22 GMT -5
I think the DeFalco/Frenz Thor run is still the third best run on Thor after Lee/Kirby and Simonson. That said, I never really liked Eric Masterson as Thor. All good runs, But I might have to include Thomas/Pollard and Conway/ Buscema in the mix.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 22:09:25 GMT -5
I didn't fancy the 90s Clone Saga but actually thought the 13-issue Spider-Man: Chapter One was kinda neat. Byrne was a bizarre choice for such a delicate project. Instead of old Spider-man plots dusted off and retold with PCs and CD players in them, Byrne offered fans a bizarre mash-up that blended the Lee/Ditko framework with ideas that were very much his own, and also INSANE. Things that really didn't need to be explained, like why the Burglar chose to break into Peter Parker's house, were dwelt on at length. Aunt May got a logical reason to dislike Spider-man that sucked, and so did J. Jonah Jameson. Norman Osborn had to be the big mastermind behind everything, because the main Spider-man comics were addicted to that stuff at the time, and Electro's easily recognizable classic costume got replaced by a boring-ass generic blue union suit. At its most insanely OCD, Byrne actually descended into trying to explain why Norman Osborn and the Sandman had similar hairstyles. The same artist designed them was apparently not good enough. Marvel didn't really want, or need, the Chapter One Byrne ended up writing and drawing. Mostly they desperately wanted to make fans buy into a back to basics Spider-man relaunch that didn't actually change much about the current approach to the character. That said...I liked the art. Electro's "updated" look.
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Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Jan 4, 2016 23:08:35 GMT -5
I didn't fancy the 90s Clone Saga but actually thought the 13-issue Spider-Man: Chapter One was kinda neat. I didn't really like Chapter One and thought that lots of the changes that Byrne tried to introduce into Spidey's origin were unnecessary. In fact, the whole mini-series was unnecessary in my view. I'm really glad that Marvel very quickly forgot all about it and acted as if it had never happened.
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Post by berkley on Jan 4, 2016 23:35:32 GMT -5
Booster Gold is one of the most repugnant heroes to be created in the last 40 years. His whole shtick is that he stole items from the future and came to the present to make money off it. What a sack of crap. I said it. You are ignoring Tony Stark? WMD supplier? Weapons warlord selling instruments of death and destruction? Inventor of how many mechanisms of murderous mayhem? Killer of women and children for the sake of a buck? And you're upset Booster Gold stole some trinkets? Ye Gads I often think Stark should be written as a villain posing as a hero, in terms of the superhero universe of good guys and bad guys - which would provide a great opening for an antagonist who's a hero doomed to be seen as a villain, just another member of Iron Man's "rogues gallery", because the superhero universe is so messed up that Stark's pose isn't even a pose: he and everyone else really do think he's a hero.
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Post by fred2 on Jan 4, 2016 23:53:16 GMT -5
CONSTANTINE
I can't stand him. Moore's only original character (not really as he was inspired by Sting of all people. You know the singer from the pop rock band, the Police). He wrote his creation to always be the smartest and snarkiest guy in the room. Oh look at me I am so cool and self important. Yech!
Can't stand him. There I said it and glad I did!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 5, 2016 0:14:33 GMT -5
CONSTANTINEI can't stand him. Moore's only original character (not really as he was inspired by Sting of all people. You know the singer from the pop rock band, the Police). He wrote his creation to always be the smartest and snarkiest guy in the room. Oh look at me I am so cool and self important. Yech! Can't stand him. There I said it and glad I did! Constantine is by no means Moore's only original character. If we fault fictional characters for being inspired by real people, and other characters, then we might as well close up shop. It's impossible to create a perfectly original character in vacuum. Nobody has ever done it. Hercules was inspired by Gilgamesh! Superman and Batman are great characters, but they're also derivatives of older creations. Captain Marvel was modeled after actor Fred MacMurray, etc.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 5, 2016 0:16:03 GMT -5
I didn't fancy the 90s Clone Saga but actually thought the 13-issue Spider-Man: Chapter One was kinda neat. Byrne was a bizarre choice for such a delicate project. Instead of old Spider-man plots dusted off and retold with PCs and CD players in them, Byrne offered fans a bizarre mash-up that blended the Lee/Ditko framework with ideas that were very much his own, and also INSANE. Things that really didn't need to be explained, like why the Burglar chose to break into Peter Parker's house, were dwelt on at length. Aunt May got a logical reason to dislike Spider-man that sucked, and so did J. Jonah Jameson. Norman Osborn had to be the big mastermind behind everything, because the main Spider-man comics were addicted to that stuff at the time, and Electro's easily recognizable classic costume got replaced by a boring-ass generic blue union suit. At its most insanely OCD, Byrne actually descended into trying to explain why Norman Osborn and the Sandman had similar hairstyles. The same artist designed them was apparently not good enough. Marvel didn't really want, or need, the Chapter One Byrne ended up writing and drawing. Mostly they desperately wanted to make fans buy into a back to basics Spider-man relaunch that didn't actually change much about the current approach to the character. Electro's "updated" look. I agree with your points on Chapter One. I think Byrne's artistic performance is underrated on this, unfortunately it's overshadowed by the wrongheadedness of attempting to "Man of Steel" Spider-Man.
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fred2
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Post by fred2 on Jan 5, 2016 0:44:33 GMT -5
CONSTANTINEI can't stand him. Moore's only original character (not really as he was inspired by Sting of all people. You know the singer from the pop rock band, the Police). He wrote his creation to always be the smartest and snarkiest guy in the room. Oh look at me I am so cool and self important. Yech! Can't stand him. There I said it and glad I did! Constantine is by no means Moore's only original character. If we fault fictional characters for being inspired by real people, and other characters, then we might as well close up shop. It's impossible to create a perfectly original character in vacuum. Nobody has ever done it. Hercules was inspired by Gilgamesh! Superman and Batman are great characters, but they're also derivatives of older creations. Captain Marvel was modeled after actor Fred MacMurray, etc. Not faulting fictional characters on real people. Just Constantine and Sting. There I said it!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 5, 2016 7:23:38 GMT -5
Constantine is by no means Moore's only original character. If we fault fictional characters for being inspired by real people, and other characters, then we might as well close up shop. It's impossible to create a perfectly original character in vacuum. Nobody has ever done it. Hercules was inspired by Gilgamesh! Superman and Batman are great characters, but they're also derivatives of older creations. Captain Marvel was modeled after actor Fred MacMurray, etc. Not faulting fictional characters on real people. Just Constantine and Sting. There I said it! I'm a huge Sting fan but that character has nothing in common besides the initial visual.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jan 5, 2016 10:00:51 GMT -5
CONSTANTINEI can't stand him. Moore's only original character (not really as he was inspired by Sting of all people. You know the singer from the pop rock band, the Police). He wrote his creation to always be the smartest and snarkiest guy in the room. Oh look at me I am so cool and self important. Yech! Can't stand him. There I said it and glad I did! "Moore's only original character (not really as he was inspired by Sting of all people.)" "I said it and glad I did" Now who's snarky? If you read Hellblazer, you'll see how often Constantine is far from being as smart as you believe he appears to be, and how most of his plans are flawed and more than often bite him in the arse. And he never brags about being cool or important, on the contrary, as he has to keep a low profile with the amount of ennemies he's collected. The only times he acts self important is when there's a poker situation, where he needs to appear holding the upper hand, which he rarely does, which is the core basic appeal of the character, that he manages to overcome danger with bluff, and often with consequences... Which makes him quite original in the world of DC/Marvel. And about Moore's sole original character in the narrow sense that some of his detractors have settled with? How about V, DR & Quinch, Top Ten, Halo Jones, the Bojeffries family, Skizz and all the characters he created for Green Lantern, Captain Britain, Miracleman, Lee/mcFarlane/Liefeld, etc? And I guess you'd disqualify Tom Strong, Promethea, Dr Manhattan or Jenny Nemo? And Sting will always be this for me, from 1978
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