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Post by kirby101 on Nov 28, 2023 17:21:27 GMT -5
I know it is a matter of taste. or
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Post by tartanphantom on Nov 28, 2023 17:54:14 GMT -5
I know it is a matter of taste. or
I'll choose the cheap, tawdry color edition; but only because somebody already scribbled all over the second one! There's no way I'll ever get a coveted 9.8 if I submit that one to CGC!
Kidding, Brad.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 28, 2023 18:04:15 GMT -5
I know it is a matter of taste. or I'm actually fine with both. I've picked up one of the Artist Edition books and they are nice. But I want something more comprehensive. By the time I figure it out there will probably be two more completely different formats.
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Post by Duragizer on Nov 28, 2023 18:31:17 GMT -5
B&W for me.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 28, 2023 18:43:55 GMT -5
There are almost too many different iterations of reprints of the EC books. It's honestly hard to decide what format to go for...recognizing that there are issues with availability for a lot of them. There, I said it.
I was lucky enough to complete my collection of the complete Russ Cochran/Gemstone floppy reprints from the 1992-2000 publishing run, but that's a task in itself. There's 297 individual issues spread over 21 different titles, not including the first 23 MAD issues, which were also originally in comic format. Unfortunately, most people are not receptive to compiling the EC titles in such a manner, especially since they've been long out of print and the print runs were small to begin with. I had a head start, and was buying many of them as they came out back in the day. Even so, It took me years to complete the collection, and that was long after they had been published (I quit actively collecting in 1996 and didn't re-start until 2008).
The hardbound versions are hit-or-miss, as some of the earlier oversized slipcased Gladstone and Cochran volumes are reproduced in black and white, which is a deal breaker for some. Good luck in your searches.
Here's an alphabetical list of the titles reprinted as floppies-- not sure if all of them have been reproduced in collected editions, though, particularly the later "New Direction" titles: (I've also linked them to their GCD checklist pages for reference). With the Russ Cochran/Gemstone reprints, each title is re-numbered sequentially and chronologically, instead of using the original numbering, which can be confusing due to original series numbering often being a continuation of numbering from an older non-related title.
The 23 comic issues of MAD were reprinted in magazine-size format from 1997-1999 in 8 issues (3 complete comics per issue) under the original title of " Tales Calculated to Drive You Mad"
One other note-- the Gemstone reprints should not be confused with the earlier Gladstone reprints, which were double-size books with two reprints per issue, and frequently with a cover unrelated to the actual issues reprinted within. I avoid the Gladstone floppy reprints altogether.
I have those magazines that reprinted Mad. I also have the CD-Rom of the entire run of Mad up to whenever that thing was produced. I picked up a whole passel of the Gemstone "collections" that had like five issues of the comics reprints squarebound together. They were super cheap on E-bay way back when. They were also absolute favorite reading material for my two younger sons (particularly Two-Fisted Tales). So they kind of got read to death.
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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 28, 2023 21:13:47 GMT -5
Speaking of Transformers and "There, I said it".... I just rewatched all the seasons of the G1 cartoon this week plus the movie. It struck me how GOOD the storytelling could be at times, and how gorgeous the visuals were. Cybertron stuff is like straight-up Sci-Fi, forget the "oh, it's just a toy commercial" nonsense. I'd put some of the best story arcs up there as better than most 60's comics. There, I said it...fire away at me haha!! the '87 Ninja Turtles cartoon, while most of the time goofy as sin, did have it's fair share of neat science fiction concepts. I've always loved how atmospheric and moody the soundtrack to the show can be
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Post by MDG on Nov 28, 2023 21:32:05 GMT -5
One thing that turned me off of the Cochran floppies was adding stupid header lines over the title. And what's the deal with calling them " Bad 1950s EC Comics"?
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 28, 2023 21:55:43 GMT -5
I'm frowning on those who (still) feel the need to clip the price from the dust jacket of a vintage hardcover. I'm searching for one in particular and it's a common flaw, even if the rest of the book is in excellent shape. Really, really stupid practice from indifferent people who then still try to sell the book.
It's a standard and accepted practice in the bookselling industry and common in remaindered books, along with remainder marks across the edge of the pages. Even in the vintage world it isn't judged as a serious flaw. I frown more on the liars who give book club editions as gifts then claim they bought it at Barnes & Noble or another retail bookstore. We used to see people trying to return those and Scholastic Book Club editions, constantly. Even identifies them on the covers, in most cases.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 22:44:05 GMT -5
Speaking of Transformers and "There, I said it".... I just rewatched all the seasons of the G1 cartoon this week plus the movie. It struck me how GOOD the storytelling could be at times, and how gorgeous the visuals were. Cybertron stuff is like straight-up Sci-Fi, forget the "oh, it's just a toy commercial" nonsense. I'd put some of the best story arcs up there as better than most 60's comics. There, I said it...fire away at me haha!! the '87 Ninja Turtles cartoon, while most of the time goofy as sin, did have it's fair share of neat science fiction concepts. I've always loved how atmospheric and moody the soundtrack to the show can be Totally agree! I think I’ll rewatch that next in fact
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Post by Confessor on Nov 28, 2023 23:21:52 GMT -5
I know it is a matter of taste. or I think both examples have their strengths and weaknesses. But damn, Al Williamson was such a great, great artist, wasn't he?
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Post by berkley on Nov 29, 2023 0:05:27 GMT -5
Amazing - which is why I persist in feeling it was a waste of his talent to ink other pencillers.
As for the question of black and white vs colour, this is one case where I'd like to have both. Usually I have a definite preference to read in colour things that were originally intended to be printed in colour, because I think the same artist will (or should) draw differently from one to the other - especially in assembly-line comics where you have a penciller and an inker. But it's obvious here that Williamson used so much shade and nuance that it comes through almost as if it were originally meant to be printed in black and white.
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Post by jason on Nov 29, 2023 0:28:34 GMT -5
the '87 Ninja Turtles cartoon, while most of the time goofy as sin, did have it's fair share of neat science fiction concepts. I've always loved how atmospheric and moody the soundtrack to the show can be Totally agree! I think I’ll rewatch that next in fact While we're on the 80s cartoon talk, give Inhumanoids a watch. Some great Lovecraftian monsters, and a surprising amount of satire as well (ie, a Chemical Plant with a sign saying "A Welcome Addition To Your Community")
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Post by Duragizer on Nov 29, 2023 0:40:38 GMT -5
One thing that turned me off of the Cochran floppies was adding stupid header lines over the title. And what's the deal with calling them " Bad 1950s EC Comics"?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 6:33:34 GMT -5
Totally agree! I think I’ll rewatch that next in fact While we're on the 80s cartoon talk, give Inhumanoids a watch. Some great Lovecraftian monsters, and a surprising amount of satire as well (ie, a Chemical Plant with a sign saying "A Welcome Addition To Your Community") I keep forgetting about that one! I’ve never actually seen it, but based on your feedback I’m going to finally seek it out.
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Post by MDG on Nov 29, 2023 7:49:16 GMT -5
I know it is a matter of taste. I think both examples have their strengths and weaknesses. But damn, Al Williamson was such a great, great artist, wasn't he? No argument about Williamson, but a lot of the inks on this story were by Frazetta, which is especially evident in the top panel. You can see Frazetta's initials, looking like "#", next to Al's signature.
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