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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 17, 2016 8:37:07 GMT -5
Nothing can be more valuable than an original. These reprints have a temporary uptick in price. Actually, an OG Tintin first press album is far more expensive then the issues in which it was originally serialized, unless you count the very first apparition of Tintin. Good exemple from Roquefort!
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 17, 2016 8:38:45 GMT -5
Nothing can be more valuable than an original. These reprints have a temporary uptick in price. Actually, an OG Tintin first press album is far more expensive then the issues in which it was originally serialized, unless you count the very first apparition of Tintin. Good exemple from Roquefort! Why don't we count the first apparition.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 17, 2016 8:59:17 GMT -5
Because there are several more stories then the first apparition, which makes that anexception and not the rule of all Tintin publications.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 17, 2016 9:47:49 GMT -5
Actually, an OG Tintin first press album is far more expensive then the issues in which it was originally serialized, unless you count the very first apparition of Tintin. Good exemple from Roquefort! Why don't we count the first apparition. Tintin is a ghost? If so, I may need to start reading it.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 17, 2016 9:50:41 GMT -5
Why don't we count the first apparition. Tintin is a ghost? If so, I may need to start reading it. Captain Haddock is very much into spirits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 16:17:55 GMT -5
Trade Paper backs and other REPRINTS are just that, Reprints. They have no long term value. It drives me crazy when people are paying nutty prices for TPB's that are out of print. Buy the originals , man. There. I said it. Comic books are just mass printings of original art pieces, they are just that copies of an original. They have no long term value. It drives me crazy when people are paying nutty prices for comics that are out of print. Buy the original art if you want a collectible, man. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 17, 2016 16:24:12 GMT -5
Trade Paper backs and other REPRINTS are just that, Reprints. They have no long term value. It drives me crazy when people are paying nutty prices for TPB's that are out of print. Buy the originals , man. There. I said it. Comic books are just mass printings of original art pieces, they are just that copies of an original. They have no long term value. It drives me crazy when people are paying nutty prices for comics that are out of print. Buy the original art if you want a collectible, man. -M Very funny. Tell that to the person who has an Action #1 or a Amazing Fantasy #15.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 17, 2016 16:28:53 GMT -5
Although, I wonder what an original page from Action #1 would go for?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 16:36:02 GMT -5
Comic books are just mass printings of original art pieces, they are just that copies of an original. They have no long term value. It drives me crazy when people are paying nutty prices for comics that are out of print. Buy the original art if you want a collectible, man. -M Very funny. Tell that to the person who has an Action #1 or a Amazing Fantasy #15. That's just it, there's not 1 person who has an Action #1 or Amazing Fantasy #15, there are several, but there is only 1 person who owns the original art for any given page of that story and there will only ever be because there is just 1, the comics are just copies (as are trades or 2nd printings or Famous First Editions) of the original art put out for mass consumption. What makes 1 copy more preferable or more valuable than another? Arbitrary human decisions. The same kind that lead people to pay more for out of print trades as makes people pay more for out of print comics. If you are okay with those arbitrary human decisions making one more valuable than another, then you can't complain about those arbitrary human decisions deciding something else is valuable too. You may not agree with the decisions, but it is the same factors at work in both cases. People are valuing a copy because it is harder to obtain than other copies of it. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 17, 2016 16:46:40 GMT -5
Very funny. Tell that to the person who has an Action #1 or a Amazing Fantasy #15. That's just it, there's not 1 person who has an Action #1 or Amazing Fantasy #15, there are several, but there is only 1 person who owns the original art for any given page of that story and there will only ever be because there is just 1, the comics are just copies (as are trades or 2nd printings or Famous First Editions) of the original art put out for mass consumption. What makes 1 copy more preferable or more valuable than another? Arbitrary human decisions. The same kind that lead people to pay more for out of print trades as makes people pay more for out of print comics. If you are okay with those arbitrary human decisions making one more valuable than another, then you can't complain about those arbitrary human decisions deciding something else is valuable too. You may not agree with the decisions, but it is the same factors at work in both cases. People are valuing a copy because it is harder to obtain than other copies of it. -M It's an artificial shortage because they can just release another tpb with the material. It's not an arbitrary decision placing value. Dc can print 3 million more of a comic, but it won't be the original. Original art is another market altogether that has just been realized in the last 30 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 17:07:50 GMT -5
That's just it, there's not 1 person who has an Action #1 or Amazing Fantasy #15, there are several, but there is only 1 person who owns the original art for any given page of that story and there will only ever be because there is just 1, the comics are just copies (as are trades or 2nd printings or Famous First Editions) of the original art put out for mass consumption. What makes 1 copy more preferable or more valuable than another? Arbitrary human decisions. The same kind that lead people to pay more for out of print trades as makes people pay more for out of print comics. If you are okay with those arbitrary human decisions making one more valuable than another, then you can't complain about those arbitrary human decisions deciding something else is valuable too. You may not agree with the decisions, but it is the same factors at work in both cases. People are valuing a copy because it is harder to obtain than other copies of it. -M It's an artificial shortage because they can just release another tpb with the material. It's not an arbitrary decision placing value. Dc can print 3 million more of a comic, but it won't be the original. Original art is another market altogether that has just been realized in the last 30 years. Placing value on the "original" is an arbitrary human decision. But it's still a copy not an original even if you call it that. If Action #1 had a print run of over a million (and it did) which of those million is an original? The first one off the press? How would you know which one that was? Does earlier off the press in a print run mean it's more valuable than another in the print run? By the logic of valuing an earlier copy more than a later copy it should be. It doesn't matter if you have a copy of the Mona Lisa printed for the first exhibition at the Louvre or one made for a department store last year, it's still a copy not the original. It doesn't matter if you have a copy of the artwork of the first Superman story printed in action Comics #1 or a copy of that artwork in the Millennium Edition published in 2000 (which had a far smaller print run so supply would technically be less than than Action #1 of 1938 initially), they are both copies of something else. If value is placed on one because it was made earlier than the other that is an arbitrary decision by "collectors" who are creating demand by their decision. It's not inherent value in the product (i.e. the copy) itself. The value exists only as long as the demand does. If demand were to disappear (which may be unlikely in the case of an Action #1 but possible) then the value would disappear as well. Inherently one copy has no more value than the other. Neither is really an original. What is upsetting you is that some of those collectors are making the same kind of arbitrary decision about trades. They are simply valuing a different copy than you are. -M
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 17, 2016 17:58:01 GMT -5
It's all about supply, demand, and the market for an item.
If you can't afford Action #1, and there's a TPB that has it, and the TPB is out of print, and there are lots of other collectos who can't afford Action #1, and you all want that TPB that contains a reprint of it, the TPB is going to cost you. Not as much as Action #1, of course, but by comparison to other TPB's.
I have no interest, for example, in purchasing a copy of Batman Adventures #12. Wouldn't pay you even a quarter forit. But let's say a bunch of people want the copy I do have; I'd be happy to let it go for $225, or whatever the market will bear right now.
It's why I always loved annuals and other comics that reprinted the famous issues I would otherwise never have even seen, let alone read. But even those are only worht so much to me.
Most I've ever spent on a back-issue comic: 5 bucks, twice. They were worth it to me, for different reasons. Which is why I spent so much.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 17, 2016 18:06:39 GMT -5
I understand supply and demand but I won't get drawn into semantics argument about value and perceived value. The Lawyers among us will attest to the legal value of an original and a copy of an original. Even an OOP trade or hardcover reprint will only retain a high price in the absence of an alternative buying option. Marvel has been releasing trades called the Epic Line that have reprints of various stories in full color for a decent price point. This line will render the Essential format largely irrelevant.
Also, seeing as the publishing companies make no money on the resales of these TPb on eBay and other sources, it's in their best interest to go back to print additional "Essentials" and the like to capture that demand.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 17, 2016 18:09:28 GMT -5
That's just it, there's not 1 person who has an Action #1 or Amazing Fantasy #15, there are several, but there is only 1 person who owns the original art for any given page of that story and there will only ever be because there is just 1, the comics are just copies (as are trades or 2nd printings or Famous First Editions) of the original art put out for mass consumption. What makes 1 copy more preferable or more valuable than another? Arbitrary human decisions. The same kind that lead people to pay more for out of print trades as makes people pay more for out of print comics. If you are okay with those arbitrary human decisions making one more valuable than another, then you can't complain about those arbitrary human decisions deciding something else is valuable too. You may not agree with the decisions, but it is the same factors at work in both cases. People are valuing a copy because it is harder to obtain than other copies of it. -M It's an artificial shortage because they can just release another tpb with the material. It's not an arbitrary decision placing value. Dc can print 3 million more of a comic, but it won't be the original. Original art is another market altogether that has just been realized in the last 30 years. True, but it ain't like the "originals" are going to hold their value once the comic book movie bubble pops. I am planning to shell out a shiny quarter and buy a bunch of New Mutants # 98s to line the cat box on March 3, 2017.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 17, 2016 20:39:34 GMT -5
The Lawyers among us will attest to the legal value of an original and a copy of an original. There is no inherent legal value in an original versus a copy of an original.
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