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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 11, 2022 10:45:49 GMT -5
This discussion makes me feel I am making the right decision in never meeting/reading about your heroes. As we are all imperfect humans. Man, you said it. I might have made this comment here before, but I was extremely disappointed and shocked to learn Orson Scott Card is extremely anti-LGBTQ+ to the point he's written extensively on the topic. Which is SHOCKING to me because I cannot fathom how the person who wrote Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead could have such a profound understanding of empathy for the "other" group and yet do the same himself. It short-circuits my brain. Ignorance is bliss sometimes. He's also Mormon which gives us a very bad name. Can't tell you how many people still think that we actively practice polygamy |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 11, 2022 10:47:37 GMT -5
This discussion makes me feel I am making the right decision in never meeting/reading about your heroes. As we are all imperfect humans. Man, you said it. I might have made this comment here before, but I was extremely disappointed and shocked to learn Orson Scott Card is extremely anti-LGBTQ+ to the point he's written extensively on the topic. Which is SHOCKING to me because I cannot fathom how the person who wrote Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead could have such a profound understanding of empathy for the "other" group and yet do the same himself. It short-circuits my brain. Ignorance is bliss sometimes. There are some people that I can still enjoy their work even after I find out some bad things they said or done. Others, not so much. |
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Post by tonebone on Nov 11, 2022 11:14:18 GMT -5
One thing that bothers me about Moore is how down he is on superheroes when nearly half of career has been based around them, riffing them, re-interpreting them, and equating the people who still read or have interest in the genre to being infantile. I think he might of missed the memo about superheroes being the modern day equivalent to greek myths? He missed the memo right after he wrote the memo. |
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Post by tonebone on Nov 11, 2022 11:18:36 GMT -5
but the feelings expressed in this thread are so strong that I almost wonder if people posting were personally impacted by the guy. 1963 and America's Best Comics were very big parts of my formative comic book years. It's kind of like watching a favorite uncle slowly slip into nasty habits that make you wonder why you ever liked him in the first place I am somewhat amused at all of us struggling to rectify and make sense of the mind of a guy who worships a 3000 year old snake god that lives in his toilet. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 11, 2022 11:31:13 GMT -5
1963 and America's Best Comics were very big parts of my formative comic book years. It's kind of like watching a favorite uncle slowly slip into nasty habits that make you wonder why you ever liked him in the first place I am somewhat amused at all of us struggling to rectify and make sense of the mind of a guy who worships a 3000 year old snake god that lives in his toilet. I think my favorite thing about Moore is that randomly on one of his birthday's, he proclaimed himself to be a Shaman
It's not as weird as it sounds (not that I'm defending pure lunacy), because he then said that "Shamans use words to conjure up images", which makes sense in a way I guess?
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Post by MDG on Nov 11, 2022 11:44:34 GMT -5
He's also Mormon which gives us a very bad name. Can't tell you how many people still think that we actively practice polygamy On a related note, I'm currently reading Noah Van Sciver's Joseph Smith and the Mormons. It's pretty compelling. Enjoying it very much. |
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Post by tonebone on Nov 11, 2022 11:51:42 GMT -5
I am somewhat amused at all of us struggling to rectify and make sense of the mind of a guy who worships a 3000 year old snake god that lives in his toilet. I think my favorite thing about Moore is that randomly on one of his birthday's, he proclaimed himself to be a Shaman
It's not as weird as it sounds (not that I'm defending pure lunacy), because he then said that "Shamans use words to conjure up images", which makes sense in a way I guess?
Reminds me of one of the issues of Grant Morrisson's Marvel Boy wherein company logos are actually sigils in a kind of modern corporate magic. Marvel Boy is a great series, that ended too soon. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 11, 2022 12:20:30 GMT -5
I've only ever met Alex Ross at a convention. And I didn't even know that he was going to be there. He was very considerate since this was just two years after Marvels came out and I was being a awkward fanboy to the point my wife just a year or so married apologized to him for my behavior lol
I think for me it's just one of those all or nothing situations so that while I may miss out on the good I know I'm missing out on the bad, and am okay with that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2022 12:25:34 GMT -5
Moore certainly seems to be that type who is so "pure artist" they're a bit eccentric, and he seems to have a fairly high opinion of his work, but the feelings expressed in this thread are so strong that I almost wonder if people posting were personally impacted by the guy.
'Personally impacted'? No. But when a comic virtuoso wants to rage about so much in the comics industry and literally defecate on anyone who uses 'his work' - while his own career was propelled using characters created by others - why should I care about his input when he holds others in such contempt?
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Post by tartanphantom on Nov 11, 2022 12:35:45 GMT -5
This discussion makes me feel I am making the right decision in never meeting/reading about your heroes. As we are all imperfect humans.
Precisely why I have always been very careful to avoid idolizing/iconizing people. The problem is that due to the human fallibility which we all have, there is a tendency to look at specific narrow aspects of people and judge them in part rather than weighing positives and negatives as a whole.
There's nobody alive that doesn't have a skeleton in the closet. The tenets of my personal beliefs encourage me not to judge others, and I try to follow that. Nevertheless, I am just as fallible as the next person, but I've never believed in trying to build myself up by tearing others down.
If you don't have the ability to accept the shortcomings of others (this doesn't mean you have to condone them), then look inward for the problem, not outward.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 11, 2022 13:08:31 GMT -5
This discussion makes me feel I am making the right decision in never meeting/reading about your heroes. As we are all imperfect humans.
Precisely why I have always been very careful to avoid idolizing/iconizing people. The problem is that due to the human fallibility which we all have, there is a tendency to look at specific narrow aspects of people and judge them in part rather than weighing positives and negatives as a whole.
There's nobody alive that doesn't have a skeleton in the closet.
Heck, there's nobody alive who doesn't have a skeleton, period! (I've been frequenting Drax too much). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2022 13:45:25 GMT -5
Some skeletons can exist outside the body, though:
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Post by impulse on Nov 11, 2022 14:04:59 GMT -5
literally defecate on anyone who uses 'his work' I must have missed that news day, but that really stinks. Really crappy of him to dump on others two that degree. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 11, 2022 14:29:10 GMT -5
literally defecate on anyone who uses 'his work' I must have missed that news day, but that really stinks. Really crappy of him to dump on others two that degree. He's a cranky old man. It's a shame. But as I always say, I still have his brilliant works and they won't disappear if he continues to be an ass. |
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Post by impulse on Nov 11, 2022 16:33:15 GMT -5
I must have missed that news day, but that really stinks. Really crappy of him to dump on others two that degree. He's a cranky old man. It's a shame. But as I always say, I still have his brilliant works and they won't disappear if he continues to be an ass. He better wipe that sense of superiority before he flushes his career down the toilet. He has a doody to his fans. |
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