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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 1, 2023 10:06:54 GMT -5
This is exactly how I feel about Jack Kirby in general. One of my favorite Silver Surfer renders, as well as the couple issues he did of Warlock. And hands down still to this day the best Mangog. Not to mention his other random monsters like the (unfortunately well too over exposed) Groot. I appreciate where you're coming from, though I don't share your opinion. The difference, though, is that Kirby Could draw realistic looking people (check out his romance work of the late '40s) but chose not to, for both stylistic and economic reasons, while Trimpe was trying his level best and simply lacked the eye for it. Cei-U! I summon the unfortunate comparison!
I will admit ignorance in knowing he did any romance comics. Most of his work I first saw were in old Thor and FF issues when I started getting into classic comics. I will have to look into his romance work via online or reprints to get a view of it. |
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Post by kirby101 on May 1, 2023 10:35:05 GMT -5
I appreciate where you're coming from, though I don't share your opinion. The difference, though, is that Kirby Could draw realistic looking people (check out his romance work of the late '40s) but chose not to, for both stylistic and economic reasons, while Trimpe was trying his level best and simply lacked the eye for it. Cei-U! I summon the unfortunate comparison!
I will admit ignorance in knowing he did any romance comics. Most of his work I first saw were in old Thor and FF issues when I started getting into classic comics. I will have to look into his romance work via online or reprints to get a view of it. Simon and Kirby INVENTED the Romance comic. |
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Post by jester on May 1, 2023 10:53:19 GMT -5
Sal's definitley the definitive Hulk artist for me. I think he was the first artist to really convey the sheer size and volume of the character, as well as the first to successfully make the Hulk look vicious and frightening. He was also great at fight scenes, and when the Hulk had to express emotion, Sal conveyed it very effectively.
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Post by badwolf on May 1, 2023 11:42:37 GMT -5
I grew up with Sal's Hulk so that's pretty much definitive to me.
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Post by kirby101 on May 1, 2023 11:58:48 GMT -5
Trimpe's Hulk is my go-to, but I love Sal on anything.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 1, 2023 22:32:33 GMT -5
Never liked the Hulk; so, no dog in that hunt. Loved Sal on Defenders. Never really liked anything that I saw from Trimpe; but, I also never cared for the writing on anything I saw him draw. So, it's not necessarily that I don't like his work, just that I never saw him do a story I liked deeply. I was okay with his Killraven; but, for me, it was night and day when P Craig Russell took over the book.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 2, 2023 8:30:57 GMT -5
Speaking of Hulk artists, my first two issues of Hulk were #427, 428 drawn by Liam Sharp and guest starring Man-Thing. I bought them on a spinner rack at a book store in a mall and went out and sat on a bench and read them while my sister and future brother in law shopped.
I liked Sal a lot on the 300's before Peter David. Though honestly by the time I finally read them I would have much more liked Mike Mignola doing more than the covers. By that time I had come to be more appreciative of his style and it was really spot on for the actual stories that were happening before David took over.
Due to Warlock having a guest appearance in Hulk when Trimpe was doing the art, I got to appreciate his art as well. I found myself buying more issues around the three Warlock appearances because I liked his art.
For all the people that have drawn the Hulk I would have much liked to see more Jeff Purves than the handful of issues he did during Joe Fixit persona.
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Post by tarkintino on May 2, 2023 13:48:52 GMT -5
I never viewed Sal Buscema as the definitive artist on any title, certaily not for Spider-Man. Where Hulk artists are concerned, he paled in comparison to Trimpe, Barr and the team of Simonson & Alcala. A Rampaging Hulk fan, I see. I don't think a few magazine covers make Barr a definitive artist.
Sal was the definitive Rom and Defenders artist.
Barr was definitive as he was one of the first to attempt to apply a sort of "realism" to the Hulk's physique with visible veins, and often a form similar to a bodybuilder (granted, one through the filter of superhero enhancement). Barr's cover paintings to The Rampaging Hulk in 1977 does not seem like pure random chance, but a widespread desire to take the image of the Hulk toward realism, which was already happening in a production that would redefine the Hulk's image for a couple of generations: Lou Ferrigno's TV interpretation (the first of two pilot movies premiered in November of 1977). That same year, Ernie Chan's covers for The Incredible Hulk monthly book--whether penciling or inking Rick Buckler--also took the Hulk in that very well-defined direction, and both in combination with the larger pop-cultural image-changing thanks to the TV series--gave a powerful, visual reboot of the Hulk's image that has influenced innumerable artists since that time.
I would say Barr and Chan--short as their time with the character had been--made a significant, defining mark on the way Hulk would be illustrated (or adapted), arguably to a greater degree than Sal Buscema.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2023 14:20:10 GMT -5
Never liked the Hulk; so, no dog in that hunt.
I was never too keen on him either until I got the Magazines, and of course, the tv series with Bill Bixby and Ferigno.
But I'm not interested in anything like Grey Hulk, Red Hulk....
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Post by badwolf on May 2, 2023 18:38:11 GMT -5
I'm surprised there isn't a Hulk spectrum by now. Red Hulk = angry Hulk, Blue Hulk = sad Hulk etc.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 3, 2023 4:20:35 GMT -5
I'm surprised there isn't a Hulk spectrum by now. Red Hulk = angry Hulk, Blue Hulk = sad Hulk etc. Sssshh! Someone from Marvel might be listening!
Cei-U! Move along, nothing to see here!
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Post by kirby101 on May 3, 2023 7:21:19 GMT -5
A Rampaging Hulk fan, I see. I don't think a few magazine covers make Barr a definitive artist.
Sal was the definitive Rom and Defenders artist.
Barr was definitive as he was one of the first to attempt to apply a sort of "realism" to the Hulk's physique with visible veins, and often a form similar to a bodybuilder (granted, one through the filter of superhero enhancement). Barr's cover paintings to The Rampaging Hulk in 1977 does not seem like pure random chance, but a widespread desire to take the image of the Hulk toward realism, which was already happening in a production that would redefine the Hulk's image for a couple of generations: Lou Ferrigno's TV interpretation (the first of two pilot movies premiered in November of 1977). That same year, Ernie Chan's covers for The Incredible Hulk monthly book--whether penciling or inking Rick Buckler--also took the Hulk in that very well-defined direction, and both in combination with the larger pop-cultural image-changing thanks to the TV series--gave a powerful, visual reboot of the Hulk's image that has influenced innumerable artists since that time.
I would say Barr and Chan--short as their time with the character had been--made a significant, defining mark on the way Hulk would be illustrated (or adapted), arguably to a greater degree than Sal Buscema.
You say "one of the first". Which is vague. He was just part of the trend that stemmed from using Schwarzenegger, Ferrigano and bodybuilders in general as prototypes for superheroes. And he was one of the painter/illustrators doing the Magazine covers, who all went in that direction. I see Barr as just being part of a trend, not defining one. Why not Norem orJusko as well as Barr? It would take more research than I care to do. But I wonder if there was a change the way they Hulk looked before and after his Magazine. Which I was also a fan of tark. |
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Post by tarkintino on May 3, 2023 14:03:35 GMT -5
Barr was definitive as he was one of the first to attempt to apply a sort of "realism" to the Hulk's physique with visible veins, and often a form similar to a bodybuilder (granted, one through the filter of superhero enhancement). Barr's cover paintings to The Rampaging Hulk in 1977 does not seem like pure random chance, but a widespread desire to take the image of the Hulk toward realism, which was already happening in a production that would redefine the Hulk's image for a couple of generations: Lou Ferrigno's TV interpretation (the first of two pilot movies premiered in November of 1977). That same year, Ernie Chan's covers for The Incredible Hulk monthly book--whether penciling or inking Rick Buckler--also took the Hulk in that very well-defined direction, and both in combination with the larger pop-cultural image-changing thanks to the TV series--gave a powerful, visual reboot of the Hulk's image that has influenced innumerable artists since that time.
I would say Barr and Chan--short as their time with the character had been--made a significant, defining mark on the way Hulk would be illustrated (or adapted), arguably to a greater degree than Sal Buscema.
You say "one of the first". Which is vague. He was just part of the trend that stemmed from using Schwarzenegger, Ferrigano and bodybuilders in general as prototypes for superheroes. And he was one of the painter/illustrators doing the Magazine covers, who all went in that direction. I see Barr as just being part of a trend, not defining one. Why not Norem orJusko as well as Barr? It would take more research than I care to do. But I wonder if there was a change the way they Hulk looked before and after his Magazine. Which I was also a fan of tark. Note I also mentioned Chan--on the monthly Incredible Hulk title going in that direction during the same year, which would play a significant role in shaping how the Hulk was illustrated going forward. Covers are--of course--the big selling point of comics, and within the sales pitch was a message about the appearance of the Hulk taking a new, distinct path. Considering all that happened for the character in 1977, I find it difficult to believe this hard style change was coincidental, and if it was not, Barr, Chan and others should be credited with being definitive artists on the Hulk titles as several generations have only based their Hulk art on those style changes, never going back to talents who came before either artist. |
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Post by jester on May 3, 2023 14:38:35 GMT -5
Have any artists actually specifically named Barr or Chan as influences on the way they draw the Hulk? If not, I have a hard time accepting either as a sort of definitive Hulk artist. And I think it's a bit hyperbolic to say that future generations of Hulk artists never went back to people who preceded those guys for influence. Erik Larsen has said that he saw Trimpe as his definitive Hulk artist, and there were a couple of nods to Sal's style in Immortal Hulk.
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Post by kirby101 on May 3, 2023 17:17:29 GMT -5
I am with jester here. How many issues of Hulk did Chan do?
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