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Post by berkley on Nov 21, 2015 3:32:05 GMT -5
Has Gibbons or Moore ever gone into the specifics of their collaboration on Watchmen? I've never seen any of the extended or deluxe editions, maybe there's something on one of those.
Come to think of it, has Watchmen ever been subjected to a page by page commentary, whether in book-form or online? I know Jess Nevins does that kind of thing for Moore's LoEG books, but he concentrates mostly on pop culture references and so on. I would expect something more from a Watchmen commentary.
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 21, 2015 4:56:39 GMT -5
has Watchmen ever been subjected to a page by page commentary, whether in book-form or online? I don't know about "page by page", but there's a myriad of articles, both online as well as in magazine format, interviews and books. Here are some, just from the Google Play bookstore: - Considering Watchmen: Poetics, Property, Politics by Andrew Hoberek.
- Watchmen and Philosophy: A Rorschach Test by William Irwin & Mark D. White.
- Watchmen as Literature: A Critical Study by Sara J. Van Ness (no eBook available).
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Nov 21, 2015 6:29:20 GMT -5
Has Gibbons or Moore ever gone into the specifics of their collaboration on Watchmen? I've never seen any of the extended or deluxe editions, maybe there's something on one of those. Come to think of it, has Watchmen ever been subjected to a page by page commentary, whether in book-form or online? I know Jess Nevins does that kind of thing for Moore's LoEG books, but he concentrates mostly on pop culture references and so on. I would expect something more from a Watchmen commentary. Gibbons put out a book called "Watching the Watchmen" that went through his side of the collaboration. He touches on his early career, his early collaborations with Moore, the conception and pre-production of Watchmen, the experience of actually drawing it and the aftermath. The most amazing part to me was that Chapter V, which had the palindrone panel layout, was written and drawn two pages at a time. He also points out that he deliberately tried to distance his art from the typical comic book styles, using a stiffer nib to draw the characters rather than a flexible nib or brush and technical pens for the backgrounds. I think that also has a lot to do with the criticism of the artwork because it really doesn't look at all like a superhero book. Theres also a neat featurette by John Higgins about the coloring.
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Post by MDG on Nov 21, 2015 12:46:58 GMT -5
I think Gibbons recognized that this was a writer- and script-driven project and his job was to visualize that script as written.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 16:33:28 GMT -5
It was on BBC last night and me and my girlfriend watched it together and I've thoroughly enjoyed watching it last night and my girlfriend was surprised how good it was and that's was the first time I've seen it since 2011. Last Night, it was my 4th time that I've seen this movie and this time I learned to appreciate it better. I seen it twice on the big screen and once in 2011 and again last night 4 years later. It was an excellent movie.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 21, 2015 17:51:02 GMT -5
Anyone read the Morrison/Quitely Watchmen issue of Multiversity? I'm not sure it was good, but it was kind of interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 18:34:18 GMT -5
It was on BBC last night and me and my girlfriend watched it together and I've thoroughly enjoyed watching it last night and my girlfriend was surprised how good it was and that's was the first time I've seen it since 2011. Last Night, it was my 4th time that I've seen this movie and this time I learned to appreciate it better. I seen it twice on the big screen and once in 2011 and again last night 4 years later. It was an excellent movie. I like the movie a lot too and don't understand all the hate
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Post by Confessor on Nov 21, 2015 20:44:26 GMT -5
It was on BBC last night and me and my girlfriend watched it together and I've thoroughly enjoyed watching it last night and my girlfriend was surprised how good it was and that's was the first time I've seen it since 2011. Last Night, it was my 4th time that I've seen this movie and this time I learned to appreciate it better. I seen it twice on the big screen and once in 2011 and again last night 4 years later. It was an excellent movie. I like the movie a lot too and don't understand all the hate Agreed. I think it was a fine film adaptation. It was everything that a film of that book could be really. It was always gonna be inferior to the book, but it's a damn good attempt at trying to translate it onto the big screen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 21:07:37 GMT -5
I like the movie a lot too and don't understand all the hate Agreed. I think it was a fine film adaptation. It was everything that a film of that book could be really. It was always gonna be inferior to the book, but it's a damn good attempt at trying to translate it onto the big screen. Thanks Confessor and you couldn't said it better - it's not an easy film to translate to the big screen and I was very surprised how well they got it on the big screen with all the characters involved. The hate of what you don't understand Cooper is not an easy thing to get rid of and that's why Confessor said it was a fine film adaptation and I completely agree with him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 21:09:15 GMT -5
It was on BBC last night and me and my girlfriend watched it together and I've thoroughly enjoyed watching it last night and my girlfriend was surprised how good it was and that's was the first time I've seen it since 2011. Last Night, it was my 4th time that I've seen this movie and this time I learned to appreciate it better. I seen it twice on the big screen and once in 2011 and again last night 4 years later. It was an excellent movie. I like the movie a lot too and don't understand all the hate Read the above post. Thanks. Confessor was right on the $$$.
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 21, 2015 21:47:59 GMT -5
Long before it became a film, I thought it would work best as a mini series on something like HBO. Twelve hours might have been able to give it the room it needed. If you're giving a filmmaker two hours and change to do a Watchmen movie, then what we got was about as good as could be hoped.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 22, 2015 3:02:45 GMT -5
I like the movie a lot too and don't understand all the hate Agreed. I think it was a fine film adaptation. It was everything that a film of that book could be really. It was always gonna be inferior to the book, but it's a damn good attempt at trying to translate it onto the big screen. It is. I thought most of the casting, in particular, was spot-on.
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Post by berkley on Nov 22, 2015 19:52:28 GMT -5
Anyone read the Morrison/Quitely Watchmen issue of Multiversity? I'm not sure it was good, but it was kind of interesting. I think I'm still missing a lot of what Grant Morrison was trying to get across with this story but agree it was very interesting. I see it as an almost painfully heartfelt and personal message from Morrison to Moore, with Captain Atom in particular Morrison's version of "Allen", subjecting superhero comics to an analysis so pitiless it's destroyed by it (my reading of the scene with the dog). So "Captain Atom has left the universe" is Moore turning his back on superhero comics. The future president is perhaps the wave of comics creators/administrators that followed Moore, took his deconstruction of superhero comics and exploited it in a crassly practical manner. As a child he inadvertently kills his own superhero-father as that generation has effectively done away with the innocent heroes of yesteryear and replaced them with something more cynical, the ultimate representative of which is the cigar-chewing assassin, sprung from the black hole in Allen's brain (left by his deconstruction of the genre?), the president's new "hero" who brutally interrogates and tortures Peacemaker, a character I'm tempted to associate with Morrison himself and his (failed?) attempt to bring some integrity and meaning back to modern superhero comics.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 22, 2015 19:58:29 GMT -5
It was on BBC last night and me and my girlfriend watched it together and I've thoroughly enjoyed watching it last night and my girlfriend was surprised how good it was and that's was the first time I've seen it since 2011. Last Night, it was my 4th time that I've seen this movie and this time I learned to appreciate it better. I seen it twice on the big screen and once in 2011 and again last night 4 years later. It was an excellent movie. I like the movie a lot too and don't understand all the hate I don't think it was terrible, but I have a serious disdain for Zack Snyder. Dude is one of the biggest hacks in the movie business. And the whole sex scene between Night Owl and Silk Spectre with "Hallelujah" playing in the background is some of the most awkward, cringeworthy crap I've ever witnessed in a movie.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 20:29:38 GMT -5
I like the movie a lot too and don't understand all the hate I don't think it was terrible, but I have a serious disdain for Zack Snyder. Dude is one of the biggest hacks in the movie business. And the whole sex scene between Night Owl and Silk Spectre with "Hallelujah" playing in the background is some of the most awkward, cringeworthy crap I've ever witnessed in a movie. Not as cringeworthy to me as the "play fight" scene at the playground between Daredevil and Elektra in the Dardevil movie or in Spiderman 3 when Toby Maguire "struts" down the street to that corny background music playing
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